jordan peterson does video calling nazis evil, gets rebuked by his fans in comments

[beedeehee]

Okay, Peterson only gets flak because he tells the inconvenient truth out loud.

He tells it like it is when it comes to natural gender roles, and how courtship should be. He calls out the nonsense in this world, such as whatever insanities Trudeau and his Social Justin Warriors cabinet decide to pass as law. He tells it how the fuck it is and none of you like it because it doesn't suit your narrative.

[Masark]

Okay, Peterson only gets flak because he tells the inconvenient truth out loud.

He's definitely inconvenient, but I haven't heard any worthwhile truths yet.

[Player Twelve]

I know they exist, but I do not think many people would actually be opposed to equality of opportunity. That should be the goal.

If anyone wants to do anything (so long as it's not harmful to others, etc) they should be given all the opportunity to succeed. (or fail)

Why should people not be opposed to it? We're not all born the same, we can't all achieve the same things. We do not have equality of opportunity because we're born different. Why should someone who is clearly not fit for something be granted the opportunity to do it?

[stevenho]

You don't get it.
Equality of opportunity means you can be an engineer if you pass the "engineer test" (excuse the simplification).
What you're talking is quality of outcome where 50% of miners have to be women because women miners were oppressed by toxic masculinity and patriarchal society.

[Duravian]

Hurray, Youtube comments vs sensational Professor who has decades of experience in this field! Let's make it a thread.

[Player Twelve]

Because you let people succeed or fail on their own merits. Sometimes people have ways of surprising you.

Some people shouldn't be given the opportunity to though. We had a painful summer at work a few years ago because of someone that was definitely not fit for working there. First day and I had problems with him, I couldn't stand being close to him, he smelled really bad and he had no social awareness. My coworkers told me after his employment was over that he told them that he never brushes his teeth nor did he shower before or after work, he also never put his work clothes in the laundry, they were left in his locker when he went home, never took them home.

His work performance was laughable as well, we couldn't place him in various stations because he couldn't understand how to do the tasks he was asked to do. Didn't understand he had to move out out of the beam so he wasn't blocking it, preventing the machinery from starting due to safety measures. We placed him on another duty, to "feed" the robots with the parts they needed to weld. 30 minutes later the machinery stops, the robots weren't getting the parts they needed. Go check the station he's at, see that he's placed them wrong despite meticulous instructions of which part should be on the right and which should be on the left.

We had a lot of problems with him due to him being so fucking stupid, so fucking disgusting.

I'd rather not have such people be granted the opportunity "to prove themselves". They're fit for working for something like samhall(https://samhall.se/in-english/), not be among normal people with normal jobs.

[Kasierith]

Why should people not be opposed to it? We're not all born the same, we can't all achieve the same things. We do not have equality of opportunity because we're born different. Why should someone who is clearly not fit for something be granted the opportunity to do it?

Equality of opportunity in common usage is more a removal of superficial barriers to entry. You can go further and look at it from the perspective of Rawls egalitarianism, and believe that equality of opportunity goes further in that those who are inherently advantaged by things outside of their control, such as race gender iq inherited income, should be held back so that others have a chance, but that's kind of outside of the current common usage.

[Heladys]

I think that people should be given a leg up if possible, and there is ample resources, etc, but I do not think most people would support handicapping the naturally gifted, or people that have natural ability, etc.

Generally, I think people should get help with resources, when possible, etc, (a safety net, and some social support) but in general I do not think society should be micromanaged where risk is completely removed.

We do not need as worlds that is "baby proof". There should be some strife and genuine work done to achieve some goal. Hard enough where its a challenge, but not so hard that it's impossible, etc.

Do you want job interviews that don't throw your resume in the trash simply because you're autistic?

Good, now you understand equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome.

[DarkAmbient]

That, and his persistently regressive viewpoints on pretty much any social subject you care to name.

Can you give me an example that I can check?

[Deleted]

Good for him, standing up for what's right this way. I had some concerns about him (have barely seen any of his stuff), but this makes me like him a little more.

This is an indication of just how dangerous the situation is, particulary in the US right now. Calling nazis evil is some kind of couragerous statement rather than one of the obvious.

[Mormolyce]

The term Uncle Tom is a direct reference to an anti-slavery novel. The term evolved into a pejorative to describe supposed servile, brainwashed black Americans. So yeah, that whole bit about it never referencing an ethnic group is hilariously wrong.

Furthermore, it is a reference to a certain kind of behavior: people who "betray" their skin color, ethnicity, or religion. Those who are called Uncle Toms are not being judged solely by their words and actions, or you wouldn't even have to use the epithet. The entire reason to use the slur is to point out their betrayal and what their words and actions supposedly accomplish, otherwise it would be completely unnecessary to use the term.

It's reactionary garbage to the core. It implies that people of a specific skin color, ethnicity, religion, or creed need to conform to a single way of thinking. It's illiberal nonsense that should be shunned regardless of who it's directed at.

This is nothing but right wing spin. I'm aware of the term's origins.

Uncle Tom may have originally been used in the context of a black slave who helped his white oppressors, but it can just as easily be extended to any oppressed minority group.

And no, it's not reactionary. Wrong side of politics there sonny.

A term that makes you uncomfortable because it raises the spectre of a racist past is not necessarily racist itself. That's historically ignorant.

Lefty whitesplaining again. Uncle Tom has always been, and always is, used towards black people who don't fall in line with the left. The origin of the term plays a huge part in the way it's used and why it's only ever aimed at black people. Stop trying to change its meaning.

If that's the case, why did I use it to refer to a Jewish person?

Sorry kiddo, "Uncle Tom" is and always has been a term denoting someone who is complicit with his own oppressors. Like slaves who opposed emancipation or Jews who aided the Nazis. It's not a racist term, on the contrary it's more of an anti-racist term.

[downnola]

This is nothing but right wing spin. I'm aware of the term's origins.

Uncle Tom may have originally been used in the context of a black slave who helped his white oppressors, but it can just as easily be extended to any oppressed minority group.

And no, it's not reactionary. Wrong side of politics there sonny.

A term that makes you uncomfortable because it raises the spectre of a racist past is not necessarily racist itself. That's historically ignorant.

The character didn't help his white oppressors. It's great to see you use and defend the use of inflammatory terms without knowing shit about them.

Wrong side of politics? Right, because if someone calls themselves left-wing it means they're left wing. Kinda like when North Korea calls itself a Democratic Republic. Yeah, I think not champ.

[Mormolyce]

The character didn't help his white oppressors. It's great to see you use and defend the use of inflammatory terms without knowing shit about them.

Wrong side of politics? Right, because if someone calls themselves left-wing it means they're left wing. Kinda like when North Korea calls itself a Democratic Republic. Yeah, I think not champ.

The right wing is reactionary pretty much by definition.

And yeah, I personally believe that the actual character of Uncle Tom in the books has been unfairly maligned by becoming the trope namer. But that doesn't change the meaning of the term.

Again, it's only "inflammatory" because it's a heated topic. Essentially, just because you're offended by it doesn't mean the term is itself racist.

P.S. Don't you think it's rather ironic that you're here playing language cop, trying to tell me that a word is racist regardless of context and intent? What are you, some kind of shrill SJW?

[downnola]

The right wing is reactionary pretty much by definition.

And yeah, I personally believe that the actual character of Uncle Tom in the books has been unfairly maligned by becoming the trope namer. But that doesn't change the meaning of the term.

Again, it's only "inflammatory" because it's a heated topic. Essentially, just because you're offended by it doesn't mean the term is itself racist.

P.S. Don't you think it's rather ironic that you're here playing language cop, trying to tell me that a word is racist regardless of context and intent? What are you, some kind of shrill SJW?

I think it's sad that i have to explain that race traitor rhetoric is bad in 2018. But hey, it's the intent that matters right? Remember that the next you hear someone try to defend their use of the N word and claim it isn't racist because they're just "describing behavior".

[Mormolyce]

I think it's sad that i have to explain that race traitor rhetoric is bad in 2018. But hey, it's the intent that matters right? Remember that the next you hear someone try to defend their use of the N word and claim it isn't racist because they're just "describing behavior".

When did I ever do that?

You sure do project a lot. You've literally spent a page doing exactly that to me.

[downnola]

When did I ever do that?

You sure do project a lot. You've literally spent a page doing exactly that to me.

When did you ever do what? Defend the use of the n word? I didn't say you did. Holy shit learn to read.

[Simulacrum]

P.S. Don't you think it's rather ironic that you're here playing language cop, trying to tell me that a word is racist regardless of context and intent? What are you, some kind of shrill SJW?

Rule #4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

[Mormolyce]

When did you ever do what? Defend the use of the n word? I didn't say you did. Holy shit learn to read.

You'll have to excuse me for being confused because your statement makes no sense. "Nigger" isn't a behaviour. "Uncle Tom" is.

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Rule #4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

So you're assuming that I think certain words are racist regardless of context and intent, despite me constantly saying the opposite on these forums, and indeed multiple times on this exact page?

Again, project more. You're the one engaging in this transparent hypocrisy.

[therealstegblob]

I think what the Nazi regieme did was terrible, that said, I dont think what Britton is saying is that far from the truth. He isnt excusing the holocaust he is just stating items that Peterson may have gotten wrong.

Yeah this first commenter was mostly right. I think he's a little too lenient on Nazism's facism (the Nazis were facist and Hitler was certainly anti-Jewish as were all the top Nazi leaders) but everything else he's entirely on point with. The Allies paved the way for Hitler by being far too hard on the Germans after WW1. They stripped the country of its ability to feed itself and then wondered why it invaded other countries, lol.

[downnola]

You'll have to excuse me for being confused because your statement makes no sense. "Nigger" isn't a behaviour. "Uncle Tom" is.

It makes no sense to you because you're not from the United States. I've actually heard people try to justify using the word to describe "a behavior".