Don't worry. She will probably either
A: Be under the influence of an old god, like Garrosh
B: Doing what she does for "a greater cause" and is just misunderstood, like Illidan.
A&B: It was meant more like a sort of joke. I do agree that you should be highly incentivized to have pride for the faction you're invested in.
C: Then that's a character flaw which she has. She is still putting the forsaken first instead of focusing on the entire horde.
They did it with Grommash Hellscream (alternate universe). From the beginning of WOD he was basically the main protagonist, sending his cronnies after you. The players just knew we would get a raid with a awesome climatic battle against Gromm but it never came. Then out of nowhere were all good buddys. Even saving Gromm from one of HFC's raid Bosses. Guldan in the end being the scapegoat. The whole thing just didn't make any sense. I "Hope" Sylvanas doesn't end up the same way. BFA is looking to be another WOD though. Fuck...now that I think about it...Fuck Fuck just...Fuck..Damn Forums, making me think.
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
most of the shopkeepers and NPC's you encounter (to include robbing and killing) in the purge of dalaran quests had no idea about events going on outside the city limits. The main Sun Reavers involved in it were likely either still moving the bell (not in the city) or in the room getting blasted when Jaina showed up.
This would actually be a good twist though... Silver Covenant forces allowing the event to take place so Jaina would let them loose and deal with the blood elves
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and yet Garrosh ordered Vol'jin's death in the end... and had his Kor'kron doing as they pleased... I don't think that's 'tolerating' those threats anymore. Hind sight it seemed more like Garrosh couldn't outright kill Vol'jin at the time cause he still didn't want to force a larger rift with the trolls and Vol'jin kept his nose clean for a long time. The trip in the caves was among the first chances Garrosh had to handle things.
I took that to mean that she already had enough resistance on her small council between Baine and Sourfang (the latter also cited as issuing his own threat)
that's just it... 'currently' Sylvanas has done very little.
I know I just meant that given how it's in two different scenarios it can be taken both ways. As in
Horde side: jaina is aggressive and kills attackers and runners.
Alliance side: jaina is passive and only attacked those that attack her, then teles them to the dungeon when they drop low.
We have no idea (correct me if I'm wrong) who is canon.
Aethas knew exactly what was happening, (he comes across the portal) but chooses to do nothing because he's more scared of Garrosh than jaina. Giving blizzard the opening to present the story as both horde and alliance side perspective.
To me honestly, unless they come out and say which side is canon the scenario is just nothing worth actual effect in the lore,because the event has widly different perspectives.
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
Kinda fed up with daily Sylvanas threads.
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I don't have a character at that level right now so will have to try later when my priest gets up there.
However isn't she teleporting them here?
https://youtu.be/70AIowEbp_g
The ones that are running past the player into her
Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
she teleports SOME of them. she more often casts frost bolt and blizzard. Note her elementals only sport the frost spells and join in with her.
edit: the opening part of the vid is more or less how the entire event is showcased. Show up, blast a few... teleport a couple... blast some more.
she still has the teleport ability and uses it, but not as often as people like to claim. the 'displaced sunreavers' are flagged as hostile at this point and run around the streets in the fear animation (no fear effect is applied) and can be killed by the player or jaina or her elementals. her teleport effect has a noticeable delay in usage rather than being used on every elf that gets in aggro range.
I never thought that Garrosh was a villain. Atleast not until they went out of their way to make him one. In Cataclysm Garrosh was truly the embodiment of the "Blood and Honor" theme that is the Horde. An extremely vocal minority of people didn't like the whole "blood" part of the Horde. Blizzard caved to that groups criticism and ruined Garrosh by making him uncharacteristically evil in MoP.
Sylvanas on the other hand? She was always an evil character. The Forsaken were always evil. There's nothing morally grey about it.
Her actions while acting as Warchief fit her character, but they do not fit the character of a leader the entire Horde would follow. She doesn't have any honor, and she commits atrocity after atrocity to the people of the world. At this point she is worse than Garrosh ever was.
You mean, you can't tolerate Sylvanas existing or being contested on peddling fanfiction about her that you preemptively project this straw-man bullshit? It's kinda sad you changed so quickly over the BfA beta from a typical poster to the 1000th member of Sylvanas Victimization Squad that instantly bitch and moan whenever Sylvanas is mentioned, bring her up to bitch and moan about her when she's not mentioned and can't even address counterarguments to their abject falsehoods about Sylvanas anymore.
Because nothing screams "Warchief material" like the guy that betrayed the Horde and aided the Alliance, then even after it was discovered, continued being a pen pal of the High King.
Deliberately misrepresent that event some more. It's not like they were defecting high ranking officials out there. Not at all. And it's not that even this didn't spur Sylvanas into action, with her only ordering the attack when she learned about Calia, i.e. a usurper from her perspective, being present during that defection.
Also, Garrosh ordered what was essentially an execution of Magnataur children. Even though the adult Magnataur, whom he blackmailed with said captured children, kept their side of the deal they were forced into. Totally better than even what you misrepresented the Gathering into.
You're not thinking this through properly. You first need to find in yourself the power to constantly reeeeeee about Sylvanas and everything she does. Once you achieve that, you'll transform into the poster boy/girl of "Garrosh did nothing wrong" (at least whenever that suits your reeeeeeeeing about Sylvanas).
Except it was impossible, because like Sylvanas said, there was no way of knowing who of those returning to the wall did so only out of fear of dying and would have defected otherwise. Which Nathanos instantly accepted as an explanation. Somehow every time someone tries to use "even Nathanos disagrees with her!" as an argument they keep forgetting that part. Also, what would silencing them achieve, given how there are still surviving members of the Council?
Right, because there's no story after Vanilla. Obviously Saurfang moping in Borean Tundra throughout Garrosh's reign only to join the people acting against his nonsense at the last second was pristine behavior from Saurfang. Him breaking the Blood Oath and not finishing Malfurion off, with each Horde member dying by Malfurion's hands afterwards being on Saurfang's head, was also flawless. Saurfang outright abandoning the Horde, including the Orcs of whom he's the leader, is totally better than Garrosh antagonizing most Orcs.
But what if there were no bigoted bullies among the Horde characters that do not get called spineless? Like, I dunno, Lor'themar. Oh, right, that wouldn't suit your straw-man. So they don't exist or something.
And he stopped being startled when she explained her reasons to him. Why do you brilliant people keep "forgetting" that part? Also lol at calling @Aucald a Sylvanas fan.
Oh, look, not only are you cherrypicking parts of Nathanos' reaction to suit your point, you're doing the same with Sylvanas' reasons for giving that order. A strong argument right here.
Yeah, it's kinda like I got tired of Blizzard recycling plotlines once again, like they always do, and that watching the Horde once again commit atrocities to please a tyrant killed my interest in the faction after the... hm... fourth trip through? Let's see. Blackhand, Gul'dan, Garrosh, and Sylvanas, yeah. And I also kinda got tired of seeing you and The Usual Suspects dismiss every negative thing said about Glorious Leader either with a tidal wave of 'Whatabout???' regarding Genn (who I've always been critical of because the man shouldn't be trusted to operate a box of Cheerios without adult supervision, never mind military operations) and Anduin (who has his own host of flaws as the archetypal Good Prince trope embodied but isn't the topic at hand half the time he's brought up) or with dismissing actual ingame evidence as 'fanfiction' because apparently they take Ion's comments to heart when it ought to be obvious by now Ion is as tone-deaf as the dunce who once said, in regard to the Beatles, guitar music was a passing fad.
But hey, let's not let one's personal biases go unchallenged here, because I know you've got it in your head that I think the Alliance is some golden pillar of justice (it's not; right now the faction war is a matter of an outright evil character being juxtaposed against a naive idiot whose chief advisor and closest ally is the same moron who wasted valuable time and troops attacking the other faction, leaving the adventurer entrusted with locating an artifact capable of helping end the Legion invasion without any logistical support until he realized his side-scuffle needed their help, too whose fans, just as rabid, pardon the pun, as Sylvanas fans similarly justify everything he does with post-facto justification and twisting things so hard they've developed back problems). BFA's faction war storyline is the most inane plotline we've had since killing boars in Elwynn, and the fact that you (among several other) posters here have bought hook, line, and sinker into a fictional character's cult of personality has brought my faith in this forum community to new lows.
To quote Ben Affleck in his cameo from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back: "These are fictional characters. Fic-tion-al char-ac-ters. I mean, am I getting through to you?" The waifu doesn't need to be defended every time something says something mean about her. She isn't going to treat your character any better before you're thrown into another meat grinder just to convince the Alliance to run merrily into another deathtrap because you defend her honor on an internet forum.
Be seeing you guys on Bloodsail Buccaneers NA!
Alternatively, returning only out of fear (i.e. being a defector at heart and only feigning loyalty to save their asses) during an ongoing defection with a usurper thrown into the mix is punishable by death, because letting a potential fifth column back into your city as its leaders in your absence is patently moronic. Alas, ignoring the first part of what Sylvanas said when Nathanos objected is swell.
Which is exactly why Sylvanas ordered the attack... only after she learned about Calia and jumped to conclusion about her trying to usurp her...
Things that preceded Sylvanas sounding the horn:
1. Sylvanas noticing something is off, long after Forsaken still on the field started to enjoy themselves
2. Sylvanas coming to the conclusion that the thing that's off is that some Forsaken are defecting
Do continue the tale of how Sylvanas sounded the horn only because Forasken on the field were enjoying themselves and how there was no indication that a group of Forsaken moving towards Stromgarde were traitors though.
Your order is wrong. Your own quotes prove that. Elsie hearing the horn is the end of her discussion with Calia. How on earth then can that discussion happen not only after the horn, but after batriders have been dispatched? And because of that, what are you basing the notion that some Forsaken already made a run for it before that discussion ended? Especially since Elsie died immediately after hearing the horn and shouting the order to retreat.
Which on a side note is iffy writing to be honest. Because in the scene on the field Elsie died very shortly after hearing the horn. Yet in the earlier scene with Sylvanas, after Sylvanas sounded the horn there was enough time for a Forsaken to fly back to Thoradin Wall and have a discussion with Sylvanas about Calia being there. And then the scene ended before Sylvanas even gave the orders to Dark Rangers. Maybe the Forsaken bats are so fast they can move back in time or something.
Anyway, Golden being an inconsistent hack aside, focusing on how things were shown on the field side, given how the only Forsaken that was shown to have reacted to the horn before the killing was Elsie, who then died immediately after she shouted to the rest of the Forsaken to retreat (which would be rather pointless if they were already reacting to the horn and retreating), there's no indication that the Forsaken that were returning to the wall started to do so before the killing started. Because there wasn't much time for them to react.
And Nathanos' reaction makes sense regardless of when they started to return. Not knowing what Sylvanas was thinking, seeing Forsaken returning to the wall getting killed even after the killing started would look weird. On the other hand Sylvanas' explanation that she can't trust if they are returning only out of fear doesn't make much sense, if at all, if they started to return before the killing began.
I'm starting to look at Jaina and Sylvanas as a pretty odd mirror. Both female leaders, both plan to attack the other factions. Both have/are planning to engage and possibly destroy a city.... both have killed their own subjects.
But only one is regarded as a monster.