NY Times stands by 'racist tweets' reporter

[Post]

Except that would exclude things like armies and governments who did a lot of the enforcing of racist beliefs.

You can include armies and governments, you can't include race without being wrong and racist.

[tehealadin]

Does this not apply to white people? If not, why?

No, because white people are bad and/or deserve it. This is what seems to be the prevailing narrative on some parts of the left. No doubt we will see "lol white tears, you poor victim" etc as a way to justify this racism. Which is sad. One can acknowledge past crimes committed by white people against non white people on the basis of race, and be against white supremacists, without lowering oneself to this. The end result is that people like this, and her defenders, in essence agree with white supremacists on the idea of racial superiority, and that it is ok to judge someone based on their skin colour, they only really differ on who the bad/good race(s) are.

This only serves to alienate potential allies, and to fuel propaganda by the far right, and give them legitimate grievances. I'd like to live in a world where people weren't judged on their race. Part of moving forward involves acknowledging historic racial injustice, I get that. And I do get that, for many people, their race only became a factor because of white racial hatred, who turned it into an issue, "You can't do this, because you are x". However, I am not sure that the politics of race revenge/racism are the way to do this, and I don't think those who practice it want to move to such a future.

[Machismo]

there is some humor in that yes, but i mean how long has the left been hammering the right over racism? there is much more humor to be had when the self righteous are caught in the act.

Well, she may be a racist bastard, she honestly might hate white people. If anything, it would seem she has anger towards white men (men being the problem) than anything else.

Personally, I would love to see what exactly she was responding to, as these didn't just come out of the blue.

As for racism, the right has outright embraced it.

Edit, the poster below me proves my point perfectly.

[Deleted]

Doubt it. When did coloured people deny your family education and rights?

I mean it's not like many people were given a choice, colonialism and imperialism brought those things to people.

But you're delving into some literal national front rhetoric here. It really doesn't sound like you've put any effort into overcoming your biases.

So you basically want to remain hostile because of some petty grudge. Then denying colored people human rights is in our best interest.
You offer us nothing but hostility you have nothing to offer us if you are our enemy.

[Coombs]

I don't have Twitter nor give a fuck what is posted. But when one person is hired despite their very obvious racist history and another is fired from old or new jokes, it shows a disparity. I am constantly told that this type of mindset needs to be fought.

How fast was Roseanne cancelled after a poor joke tweet? Gunn was gone because of old tweets. People lose jobs constantly over Twitter history. This one gets a pass though?

It is obvious hypocrisy and indefensible.

[Venant]

I don't think these tweets were intended to be "right" they were intended to provoke, which given they were posted 4 years ago and are still winding people up they achieved.

Interesting that this behavior is the fruit of a Harvard education, shows you how much value is provided by the current crop of 'intellectuals'.

[Daedius]

Racism towards whites, as well as misandry, is socially acceptable. Don't you know?

[Venant]

It is obvious hypocrisy and indefensible.

Being able to act like a hypocrite means you have a great deal of power indeed. Just look at communist/socialist dictators like Castro and Chavez who end up being worth hundreds of millions when they died. It's as if the ideology of the left is based upon the maximization of hypocrisy for those at the top.

[Vathoren]

"ancestral" would imply that it's been many generations since this shit ended but my grandparents were adults when the civil rights movement ended, I was alive when apartheid ended. It's something that is very recent and still impacts today's societies.

It doesn't, ancestral means something in regards to your ancestors, which starts at your parents. Granted the term is seldom used like that commonly.

No it doesn't solve the problem, her anger is just understandable.

"Vell, you see Franz, it vaz ze covetous Jewish bankers who attacked ze German people first. So zis is fein."

You'd be surprised how difficult if not impossible it is to make people not be racist. The best you can do is make them feel like they can't spout this shit in public.

Wrong. If you can't reason someone out of being something as incredibly stupid as racism, you're doing it wrong. There are so many different avenues to take: scientific, empathetic etc. and exposure in public discourse is often the best way. Racists, as disgusting and deplorable are still thinking, feeling human beings, "If you prick us, do we not bleed?" goes both ways. If Daryl Davis can turn lifelong KKK members away from being racist, that is not the best you can do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw

If I thought like your quotation, I would've given up on progressives a long time ago.

Oh no it does but it's like getting upset when someone stands up to the bully and makes them cry.

Actually it's more like watching someone being bullied internalizing it and becoming a bully themselves.

Not really, but hey lets just pretend none of history happened and try fix problems that have existed for a long time.

Mkay then, where's the cut-off point? The founding of American slave colonies? If so, you're then dismissing an awful lot of racist horror and abuse in the world, a lot of which has direct impacts on today's societies. Shit, by that reasoning I should be seeking reparations and land from the English, foreign devils that they are :P . You can't dwell on the past and expect to move forward.

[Post]

unfortunately it's those armies and governments which created this narrative as they saw europeans as superior, given what's happened in history it's going to be awhile before we shake this narrative off.

Racists like you are the only ones who keep this shit alive, so maybe cut it out so we can "shake this narrative off"

I don't think these tweets were intended to be "right" they were intended to provoke, which given they were posted 4 years ago and are still winding people up they achieved.

Being racist pisses people off? No way!

[s3ge]

Lets not kid ourselves here, if the colors were reversed, context would not matter in the slightest.

[Venant]

Getting good grades and being rich doesn't make you a good person lol. Clinging to the idea that harvard is some prestigious thing that only produces good people is garbage or that it somehow reflects on intellectual thought is even more garbage.

And yet it is one of a handful of institutions that generates the 'leadership' of society. Do you believe that the left engages in a high/low strategy, where a small group of elites manipulate the lowest tiers of society in order to fight against the 'center' (middle/working class)?

[Post]

Yeah that's not going to happen until systemic racism isn't a thing. The world isn't going to just suddenly change because people acknowledge the fact that racism has impacted the world today.

So you're saying racism won't stop just because racism stops...

[Vathoren]

No, because white people are bad and/or deserve it. This is what seems to be the prevailing narrative on some parts of the left. No doubt we will see "lol white tears, you poor victim" etc as a way to justify this racism. Which is sad. One can acknowledge past crimes committed by white people against non white people on the basis of race, and be against white supremacists, without lowering oneself to this. The end result is that people like this, and her defenders, in essence agree with white supremacists on the idea of racial superiority, and that it is ok to judge someone based on their skin colour, they only really differ on who the bad/good race(s) are.

This only serves to alienate potential allies, and to fuel propaganda by the far right, and give them legitimate grievances. I'd like to live in a world where people weren't judged on their race. Part of moving forward involves acknowledging historic racial injustice, I get that. And I do get that, for many people, their race only became a factor because of white racial hatred, who turned it into an issue, "You can't do this, because you are x". However, I am not sure that the politics of race revenge/racism are the way to do this, and I don't think those who practice it want to move to such a future.

"Hell, from a strategic point of view, we should thank our lucky stars insane and polarizing SJWs exist and spend our time tearing into these Radical Centrists, Skeptics, Enlightened Individualists (or whatever they like to call themselves) instead of the people who create new Alt-Right recruits every single day. Balkanization helps our cause and undermines the soft, squishy 'let's all just get along' centre." - Vincent Law, Altright.com .

[Deleted]

What you're saying is like saying a bully should be allowed to keep bullying people because they retaliated.

Also mind toning the actual racism back a bit?

In short you are motivated by petty grudges . The west has offered a multicultural society where everybody is equal and can share in our economy and technology and yet you spit us right back into our face. You are our enemy mate. Dont expect to treat you anything but an enemy.

[Notshauna]

Context wouldn’t make any of this ok. Being angry at an individual doesn’t make being racist and sexist ok. Unless you’re saying it’s ok for me to hate all women because of her actions? If it was anger and heat of the moment she needs to own it and apologize.

But, certainly you have to acknowledge that it could be understandable, if not justified, for there to be a critical mass of women who behave in that way for you to hate them. And that's ultimately what the argument that people of color can't be racist is about, that assuming there is still institutional racism and that since it exists and most american institutions are overwhelmingly white that it's very easy to make it a race thing. To make matters even worse in the states via the two party system politics are actually quite racial in nature, as people of color overwhelmingly vote Democrat leading the Republican party being incredibly white.

[Draenox]

While I do not agree with what her tweets said, for once I am just glad this wasnt another kneejerk removal reaction from a big company. Far too often have we seen things being taken out of context, or misunderstood since sarcasm doesnt translate well into text, which then in turn have cost people their jobs.

This trend of digging in peoples social media past to find dirt is quite honestly sickening, imagine how much outrage would be "warranted" on any public person if every physical conversation was logged as well

[Deleted]

I don't think people on the right... oh sorry "ALT RIGHT" like myself are outraged by the words/casual racism

But more the fact that if this was the other way round.. and a white journalist making racist twitter jokes about Asians.. he'd be fired on the spot no matter the context

The left has been doing this stuff for years.. digging into peoples past because they dislike them (usually politically) and trying to get them fired.. I find it quite funny they are upset over the "ALT RIGHT" suddenly doing the same.. You play fucking scummy then get upset when others fight back in the same manner really?

[Saucexorzski]

Well, she may be a racist bastard, she honestly might hate white people. If anything, it would seem she has anger towards white men (men being the problem) than anything else.

Personally, I would love to see what exactly she was responding to, as these didn't just come out of the blue.

As for racism, the right has outright embraced it.

Edit, the poster below me proves my point perfectly.

i don't believe there is a group of humans who do not hold bigoted views towards another group for unfounded assumptions. It's literally how we evolved into what we are today.

[Themius]

Someone put this bitch out of her misery, please.

So you want to kill her?