Territories changes

[Thundering]

So for Lorevise the Alliance now has lost Darnasus and it entire island, Darkshore and Ashenvale, not to mention they make it sound like felwood is also horde territory since they attack from it?

But from my knowledge, it can be wrong. the Alliance directly attack Tirifal Glades and if the conquer it as they make it sound for both factions, would that not be a huge territory gain for the Horde, while quiet a small one for the Alliance?

[J012D4N]

So for Lorevise the Alliance now has lost Darnasus and it entire island, Darkshore and Ashenvale, not to mention they make it sound like felwood is also horde territory since they attack from it?

But from my knowledge, it can be wrong. the Alliance directly attack Tirifal Glades and if the conquer it as they make it sound for both factions, would that not be a huge territory gain for the Horde, while quiet a small one for the Alliance?

W/o giving away any details on Lordearon, wouldn't say anyone outright "conquers" anything. Maybe later in the expansion.
Darnassus is charcoal (straight got Carthage'd), and there will most assuredly be pockets of resistance in Darkshore, Felwood & Ashenvale.

[Khaza-R]

Wowhead put together a cool map showing the changes based on the war campaign missions.

It definitely feels like the Horde lost more territory overall in the story. Most likely because the Blood Elves seem to be uninvolved in defending Lordaeron at this stage while the Draenei are helping defend Kalimdor for the Alliance.

[Broken Fox]

How does Azuremyst factor in at all? Is the Horde trying to take it? Thought the blood elf / draenei zones were basically dead content wise cause Blizzard’s too lazy to update them.

[Deleted]

Is the Alliance retarded? Building an outpost between Orgrimmar and Razor Hill?! What are they thinking, they will get surrounded and overwhelmed by the sheer amount of Horde forces found in the area. If Sylvanas is smart, she will capitalize on their tactical mistake.

[Thundering]

Wowhead put together a cool map showing the changes based on the war campaign missions.

It definitely feels like the Horde lost more territory overall in the story. Most likely because the Blood Elves seem to be uninvolved in defending Lordaeron at this stage while the Draenei are helping defend Kalimdor for the Alliance.

This cant be correct they clearly say the conquered Darnasus why is it grey, same goes for the Alliance for undercity but both places needs "repairs".

Why is Gilneas Blue since when did we invade it?

And it the prepatch the Elfs pull out of Ashenvale why is it still blue?

I do not know but that map seems wrong from what they are currently doing in the game=P

[Hyral]

This cant be correct they clearly say the conquered Darnasus why is it grey, same goes for the Alliance for undercity but both places needs "repairs".

Why is Gilneas Blue since when did we invade it?

And it the prepatch the Elfs pull out of Ashenvale why is it still blue?

I do not know but that map seems wrong from what they are currently doing in the game=P

It is based on information from the mission table. My guess about Ashenvale and Darkshore is, like the OP said, because the Draenei seem to be involved in the reclamation process and have direct access to both zones, it is entirely possible they were able to make progress while the Horde was busy/recovering from getting their shit pushed in Lordaeron.

What doesn't make sense is how the Alliance was able to siege Capital City and move their army to its gates yet have no control over the land to get there. Where is the horde getting the support to attack those lands in the EK? There is no viable routes for them. The belves would have to mobilize armies through the plaguelands or through Argent Crusade territory, both which wouldn't work, or have to go by sea all around the world but all their routes there also go through Alliance controlled seas or right by Azuremyst Isle. There is no viable way I can see that the horde can keep a fight going in the middle of the EK.

But it's a video game, so we are probably thinking too hard about it.

[Deleted]

This cant be correct they clearly say the conquered Darnasus why is it grey, same goes for the Alliance for undercity but both places needs "repairs".

Lorewise, both Darnassus and Undercity get blown to shreds by Sylvanas.

Why is Gilneas Blue since when did we invade it?
And it the prepatch the Elfs pull out of Ashenvale why is it still blue?
I do not know but that map seems wrong from what they are currently doing in the game=P

Gilneas is Blue since the Alliance needs a base to attack Undercity...
Ashenvale isn't blue, its guerilla warfare. Night Elves with Shadowmeld did that entire WC3

Logically speaking(get it logic???), the Alliance should win on the basis of the Army of the Light technology alone.

[Thundering]

Lorewise, both Darnassus and Undercity get blown to shreds by Sylvanas.



Gilneas is Blue since the Alliance needs a base to attack Undercity...
Ashenvale isn't blue, its guerilla warfare. Night Elves with Shadowmeld did that entire WC3

Logically speaking(get it logic???), the Alliance should win on the basis of the Army of the Light technology alone.

It is nice logic that Gilneas was teleported back into the hand of the alliance or something, since they never show or do anything that tells you ingame that they somehow have taken Gilneas back from the Forsaken....

Ashenvale is stated to be lost ingame the Alliance have pulled out of the area meaning it shuld be red, and maybe there is some form of resitance there but it has no chance against the full might of the horde.

Logic heh good joke.

[Ielenia]

Wowhead put together a cool map showing the changes based on the war campaign missions.

It definitely feels like the Horde lost more territory overall in the story. Most likely because the Blood Elves seem to be uninvolved in defending Lordaeron at this stage while the Draenei are helping defend Kalimdor for the Alliance.

Those maps are wholly inaccurate considering in the Kalimdor map, the Azuremyst and Bloodmyst isles are marked with blue, signifying Alliance territory, but they completely ignore Elvensong Forest and Ghostlands in Eastern Kingdoms, which are Horde territories. If you remove Azuremyst and Bloodmyst, or add Elvensong and Ghostlands, the Horde comes out on top.

[Deleted]

Horde conquers everything Alliance has in Kalimdor while Alliance "conquers" Lordaeron (which is full of blight and unaccessible). Seems like ordinary Horde favoritism to me.

[Khaza-R]

Those maps are wholly inaccurate considering in the Kalimdor map, the Azuremyst and Bloodmyst isles are marked with blue, signifying Alliance territory, but they completely ignore Elvensong Forest and Ghostlands in Eastern Kingdoms, which are Horde territories. If you remove Azuremyst and Bloodmyst, or add Elvensong and Ghostlands, the Horde comes out on top.

Its not ignoring them. They just aren't apart of any of the follower missions. The maps only signify the changes that occur in our war campaign.

[Boricha]

Isn't Southshore still a wasteland? Can it really be considered Alliance territory?

[Deleted]

If it's just to do with the changes in the war campaign then why the hell is Gilneas suddenly back in Alliance hands with not one bit of story to even hint at it...?

[Deleted]

You know why wc3 was so good compared to the wow story?

Because in wc3 blizzard wanted to tell a story and they did. No drawbacks.

In WoW when one faction owns 0,3% more land than the other people go nuts. Obviously the wow story has to be bland, boring and bad, simply because blizzard has to PLEASE everyone and that makes for baby happy end storytelling.

[Broken Fox]

Isn't Southshore still a wasteland? Can it really be considered Alliance territory?

Same for Gilneas, or was it cleansed somehow? I thought it was Chernobyl'd.

[GrinnersGrin]

Daily reminder that the map the troll posted is just a war map for a roleplay on Moonguard or some shit

[Ielenia]

Its not ignoring them. They just aren't apart of any of the follower missions. The maps only signify the changes that occur in our war campaign.

But Azyremyst and Bloodmyst isles are unchanged, yet they're marked as blue, while Ghostlands/Eversong Forest are ignored.

[mrcodez]

Isn't Southshore still a wasteland? Can it really be considered Alliance territory?

Looks like there's some quests involving Southshore in BfA. Spoilers below, although it's pretty vague.
http://bfa.wowhead.com/mission=1953/southshore-sabotage

[Nyel]

Is the Alliance retarded? Building an outpost between Orgrimmar and Razor Hill?! What are they thinking, they will get surrounded and overwhelmed by the sheer amount of Horde forces found in the area. If Sylvanas is smart, she will capitalize on their tactical mistake.

Problem is Alliance basically has no stronghold on Kalimdor anymore (except Theramore). There are just small outposts left. They possibly could claim Feralas but is it worth it?