I kind of like that idea actually.
Goods price then service price.
Sometimes during the work week I just want to grab a meal and get out; I'll eat on the road usually. But I don't eat out much because fast food is generally terrible for you. On the weekends or evenings when I go out with my wife I like going to a place where we are served by good wait staff; it seems to make the night out better.
I would be perfectly fine with say paying $7-8 for a good meal but just grabbing and going but then if I wanted to be served in the restaurant pay another $7-10 for a good experience with wait staff. That's per plate pricing. Maybe more depending on where I'm going. Though I will say anything higher than $25 a plate would be pushing it for me.
I would still leave the option of leaving a tip for good service though.
Granted a plan like this would lead to fewer wait staff unless the owner/operator invests heavily in hospitality training for their staff members and makes it more a core part of their business rather than just a option.
The Right isn't universally bad. The Left isn't universally good. The Left isn't universally bad. The Right isn't universally good. Legal doesn't equal moral. Moral doesn't equal legal. Illegal doesn't equal immoral. Immoral doesn't equal illegal.
Have a nice day.
Let's both go back and do a little reading, shall we:
Notice the part in bold? You specifically call me out for saying my post is laced with sexual harassment innuendo. You clarify that in the second line I didn't ask for the waitress to show some cleavage. You made a blanket statement that it was, and said it wasn't in one specific case.
I agree it is common, but making that assumption about my post when nothing I said implies that is a bad way to have a conversation.It's just a really common points that show up in every single thread about tipping. People say they want extra special service to give a tip, and mention things like showing a little cleavage or wiggle their asses, etc...
I'll tip other jobs that don't normally get tips, such as tradespeople. But it's the same criteria as servers. If you just do your basic job, why do you deserve a tip?
And that is indeed something I would consider going above and beyond these days.Further, near the end, I'd make sure I boxed up their meals should they need it instead of noticing tons of servers that just set boxes down on the tables and made the customerd do it themselves.
[/QUOTE]In terms of a server that you assume does less for a table. It's completely false. Just because someone else delivered your food, however doesn't mean that your server wasn't slacking because they were likely delivering food to someone elses table. Further, if there was an expo, it also means that said server is likely tipping out the expo. And exactly the same with a busser. All of which servers are required to tip out. Hell, a lot of restaurants now are based on the sales of the server and as thus, it becomes automatic. Thus stiffing a server means that server loses money on a table if they get tipped less than the mandatory tipout, typically 3-5% of their sales. [/QUOTE]
I fully understand servers have to tip out. When I was a bartender at a pub, the servers tipped out 2% to me, and 1% to the kitchen. I rarely ever completely stiff a server because of knowing this. But this is a problem of the business model they created. Remove tipping, pay your wait staff a lot more, bump the pay of the support staff a little more. I'm not advocating minimum wage. I'm advocating more. In Canada, servers already get minimum plus tips.
I wasn't quite clear on what I meant by the server does less work, but more, why specifically should the server be the only one I tip, and receive the majority of said tip? I've been to many restaurants where the main server sees me four times. Take my drink order, take my food order, checks later on the food and asks if we want more drinks, and then brings the bill. Meanwhile someone sat me, someone cooked my food, someone made my drinks, someone brought me my food, someone refilled my water, someone else cleaned my plates away. Yet it is the server who is going to reap the majority of the tip, just for doing their job like everyone else in the restaurant.
[/QUOTE]In terms of percentages. it's really based on what the government as dictated that servers assume they make. Lots of computerized tracking and credit card tips show what a server makes But the goverment dictates based on sales and not just a random amount.[/QUOTE]
But why is it a percentage to begin with? Why should the server get a larger tip because I decided to order the $150 bottle of wine over the $50 bottle? Their level of work is exactly the same and they had no input into my choice.
The other topic you haven't answered with support, is why should we tip server? The only reason you supplied so far is because it provides incentive for better service, but nothing actually backs this up, and research proves otherwise. Why do we tip a server, and not a flight attendant?
The tipping model truly only works for one person - the business owner. It lets them offload their labor costs to the customer.
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Except there is little to no data to back that up, and increasing data that incentives like that not only don't work but can lead to worse outcomes.
The truly good servers will indeed separate themselves from the truly bad, but other than that it is going to come down to the customers and the culture more than the actual server, on average.
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No offense, but just because it comes up every day on your social media doesn't mean it comes up a lot on everyone elses. As someone that was in the business and made comments on almost every thread I saw, I never get those, and you'd think I would. But on the other side of the coin, I do get about 200 posts on Facebook per day about impeaching Trump.... I'm sure others get more, and others get less. Just is what it is. But ancedotal evidence about people complaining about their job might just be your feed.