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    German couple jailed for selling son to paedophiles on dark net

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...channel=social

    A woman who sold her son to paedophiles on the dark net has been jailed for 12 years and six months by a court in southern Germany.

    The Freiburg court also jailed her partner, the boy's stepfather, for 12 years. The boy was nine when the trial began in June.

    The German nationals, 48 and 39 years old, had sexually abused the boy themselves for at least two years.

    The dark net is an internet area beyond the reach of mainstream search engines.

    On Monday the court jailed a Spanish man for 10 years for sexually abusing the boy repeatedly.

    Five other men have also been prosecuted in connection with the abuse.

    The couple were found guilty of rape, aggravated sexual assault of children, forced prostitution and distribution of child pornography.

    The boy is now living with foster parents.

    The couple must now pay €42,500 (£38,000; $49,200) in damages to the boy and to a three-year-old girl, who was also abused by them.

    Authorities criticised
    German media report that child welfare authorities in Baden-Württemberg state have been heavily criticised for failing to stop the couple's abuse.

    The boy had been removed from the couple temporarily by social workers, but was then handed back to them.

    Spiegel news website reports that welfare officers had not exchanged information about the case that could have led them to the couple's crimes.

    According to case psychiatrist Hartmut Pleines, quoted by Spiegel, the mother's claim that she was in thrall to her partner when she committed the abuse, was false.

    She did not explain her actions, but her partner did speak a lot in court during the two-month trial, Spiegel reported.

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    Has the "dark net" ever been used for something good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Has the "dark net" ever been used for something good?
    Yes it has.

    This type of post is why you often are ridiculed here. You come across, not exactly as a moron, but as someone who gets all their information from corporate media. If you are presented with information outside of that frame you are unable to process it. You could google it, or actually experience it, it would only take minutes, but you seem to need permission from a newspaper or a TV station to process that information. It is a waste of time communicating with you for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Has the "dark net" ever been used for something good?
    Journalists and political opposition use it to be able to communicate safely in countries under totalitarian regimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Has the "dark net" ever been used for something good?
    Its for anything that people don't want others to see. That means paedophilia, but it also means people hiding from dictators. That means terrorism but it also means atheists hiding in Muslim countries, especially women wanting to be smuggled out.

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    The only sentence these people should receive is death.

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    The dark web has four main uses at the moment:

    - child porn
    - drug trafficking
    - hacking
    - hiding communication from government authorities

    The last, of course, effectively covers everything else as well, but is integral to many noble causes conducted under totalitarian regimes or governments with heavy censorship on free speech and political activity.

    The other horror stories you hear about hiring hitmen and whatnot are usually blown way out of proportion and at best make up a tiny speck of what is going on in the dark web.

    All that being said, it's increasingly becoming clear that the dark web is far too easily abused by pedophiles in particular. Most of those who do get caught are caught because they left the confines of the dark web, and their dark web activities are just discovered after the fact. The dark web itself is notoriously opaque even to LEOs, and they rely mostly on people being idiots to catch them. Which, of course, is also why it's a safe haven for those hiding from their government for far less nefarious reasons, and the only reason it works in the first place.

    Quite the dilemma.

    But every day some child abuser gets what they deserve is a good day. Let's not forget that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    The dark web has four main uses at the moment:

    - child porn
    - drug trafficking
    - hacking
    - hiding communication from government authorities

    The last, of course, effectively covers everything else as well, but is integral to many noble causes conducted under totalitarian regimes or governments with heavy censorship on free speech and political activity.

    The other horror stories you hear about hiring hitmen and whatnot are usually blown way out of proportion and at best make up a tiny speck of what is going on in the dark web.

    All that being said, it's increasingly becoming clear that the dark web is far too easily abused by pedophiles in particular. Most of those who do get caught are caught because they left the confines of the dark web, and their dark web activities are just discovered after the fact. The dark web itself is notoriously opaque even to LEOs, and they rely mostly on people being idiots to catch them. Which, of course, is also why it's a safe haven for those hiding from their government for far less nefarious reasons, and the only reason it works in the first place.

    Quite the dilemma.

    But every day some child abuser gets what they deserve is a good day. Let's not forget that.


    Good post.

    Does the TOR network exist in China? Or are the Chinese to sophisticated to let it exist? Can they block it at the Great Firewall of China? China is a good example of where a TOR network would be useful for dissidents.

    The US Navy created TOR I think, and to do just what you said to allow dissidents a way of communicating.
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    That is pretty messed up, as a father I don't understand how anyone could hurt a child, especially your own.

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    As far as I am aware, TOR does exist in China. "The Great Firewall" isn't nearly as big of an obstacle as they like people to believe. Proxy services etc. are readily available, or at least they were last time I looked into this when a friend of mine was staying in China.

    Of course, that doesn't mean China isn't effective in controlling internet access. Never forget that a locked door will not stop anyone seriously intent on getting through it, but still keeps people from just barging into your home. Protection doesn't have to be perfect. Just good enough to skew the average.

    The dark web remains a niche phenomenon. Anyone who wants it can get TOR in a second, but most people simply have no desire to do so. And even with TOR, you still need to be a non-idiot user - and as the Prince of Nigeria and all his friends have been proving for decades, there are a whole lot of idiots on the internet.

    We don't know the WHOLE picture, though. IF some government has found a way to penetrate TOR (and there are some interesting approaches to that, as several papers have demonstrated) the last thing they would want is for that be known. In the spirit of the Bombing of Coventry (be the Ultra claims true or not), it would not be surprising in the least if governments willingly let pedophiles go unpunished in order to protect the fact that they had the means to breach TOR - I'm not saying this is the case, just speculating on what would happen if it was.

    Assuming TOR remains secure, it's fairly trivial to remain virtually undetectable to law enforcement. It's also a matter of efficiency for them - they go after the biggest fishes they can get most easily. Instead of trying to track down pedophile X who randomly runs from WiFi spot to WiFi spot with a bunch of secured Linux laptops, it's just so much more efficient to go after the people peddling their son on the open market (as in OP's example) or the people running the large-scale hosting operations (which leave traces outside the dark web). That at least provides a steady stream of creeps to be removed from society, while letting the dissidents and political activists continue doing what they're doing.

    But it's a bad deal any which way you slice it. There's no good choices when you're weighing the apprehension of child abusers vs. the repression of activists fighting dictators.

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    12 years and 40k euros ?? Am i the only one who think this sentence is a joke ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post

    The dark web remains a niche phenomenon. Anyone who wants it can get TOR in a second, but most people simply have no desire to do so. And even with TOR, you still need to be a non-idiot user - and as the Prince of Nigeria and all his friends have been proving for decades, there are a whole lot of idiots on the internet.
    TOR was designed by the US Navy. Almost certainly it has multiple backdoors for the government to snoop on people with, and indeed in at least one public instance the FBI used an "exploit" (yeah, right) to compromise its security.

    I don't know what sort of idiot would use a privacy program created by the US government. You would be safer using the public internet and hiding in the limitless data stream.

    The dark web is far larger than TOR btw. It is also nothing to do with criminal activity, any more than the public internet is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanjarl View Post
    TOR was designed by the US Navy. Almost certainly it has multiple backdoors for the government to snoop on people with, and indeed in at least one public instance the FBI used an "exploit" (yeah, right) to compromise its security.
    This isn't quite correct. The CONCEPT of "onion routing" was the result of Navy research, but TOR as a program is not something they created. Also, TOR has had a number of exploits, as is common with most software (and more the more complex it is). The same is true for Windows, iTunes, and any number of widely used applications.

    TOR repositories are available on Github, and given the inquisitiveness of the internet people, any source-code level backdoor would have long since been discovered. It's possible there are conceptual flaws that allow for exploitation, but that is largely speculation at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    This isn't quite correct. The CONCEPT of "onion routing" was the result of Navy research, but TOR as a program is not something they created. Also, TOR has had a number of exploits, as is common with most software (and more the more complex it is). The same is true for Windows, iTunes, and any number of widely used applications.

    TOR repositories are available on Github, and given the inquisitiveness of the internet people, any source-code level backdoor would have long since been discovered. It's possible there are conceptual flaws that allow for exploitation, but that is largely speculation at this point.
    thanjarl is our alt account guy, someone who's banned but refuses to leave.

    He struggles with a lot of concepts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew View Post
    12 years and 40k euros ?? Am i the only one who think this sentence is a joke ?
    They could also tell them to pay 400k, which would only end in them not being able to pay it anyway.
    And the guy also recieved "preventive detention" - which means that even after 12 years, he'll remain in prison unless it's believable that he won't do it again for as long as it is required.

    It's very likely that the guy will see 20+ years in prison. The dude was actually previously convicted for child abuse and wasn't allowed to be close to children.
    Last edited by mmoc96d9238e4b; 2018-08-07 at 04:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanjarl View Post
    Yes it has.

    This type of post is why you often are ridiculed here. You come across, not exactly as a moron, but as someone who gets all their information from corporate media. If you are presented with information outside of that frame you are unable to process it. You could google it, or actually experience it, it would only take minutes, but you seem to need permission from a newspaper or a TV station to process that information. It is a waste of time communicating with you for that reason.
    instead of wasting your time spewing hate towards him, why not just say WHEN and WHAT was the dark net used for good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Culex View Post
    The only sentence these people should receive is death.
    i concur with this statement.
    r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

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    They should be sent to a North American prison so they can get their ass beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew View Post
    12 years and 40k euros ?? Am i the only one who think this sentence is a joke ?
    That is because the English report of the sentencing is inadequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Drew View Post
    12 years and 40k euros ?? Am i the only one who think this sentence is a joke ?
    We agree on something.
    WTF Germany?

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