Turkish lira plunges 20% versus dollar, hitting a record low

[d00mGuArD]

According to Adana Accord, Syria to not let PKK dwell in her soil. Considering the actual government is in turmoil now and has little to no control within certain regions, Turkey used the legal right to clear the area from PKK presence, what you call "Kurds", is a terrorist group threatening Turkey's best interests. Turkey's presence in Syria is more legal than the presence of USA and Coalition against ISIS. You have been told to get out of Syria, yet defying all international law out there, West is still in Syria.

Before pointing fingers, understand the signed treaties, and your position in Syria.

International Law, which above some accord you mention, clearly states that annexing territories is illegal. Anyone that does it must face huge sanctions
In this discussion, that is Turkey, occupying an area in Syria
If you know of more cases like this, by all means you should support sanctions against any despicable country that does that, including Turkey (since were are talking about Turkey in this thread)

And most definitely not invest there! Which is obviously happening as you see with the economic plunge this thread is talking about
You can close your eyes and say "nope" but that is still a fact happening.
There are definitely more reasons, but being bullies and breaking the laws, is for sure one of them

[Teri]

Remind me how come they're still apart of NATO? The shit turkey has done in syria is reason enough to shun them.

US has a base in Syria @ Al-Tanf

Also NATO needs Turkey for Black Sea naval access right through Istanbul.

[Teri]

The other green on left side are some "rebels" but mostly terrorists like al-nusra

The other green area in the southeast is the area supported directly by a (illegal) US Military base at Al-Tanf.

[HumbleDuck]

This is going to hurt Erdogan. A lot.
If the Lira enters a free-fall, it will join countries like Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

Turkey has a very large economy, to think it's going to be like Venezuela is simply naive. It may hurt, not to that extent though.

Turkey will face serious financial crises, but not for another 10 years or so. The main problem there is government intervening in monetary policies more than it should. And even then, it wouldn't be like what Venezuela is right now. At worst they will plunge back to the state they were at 20 years ago.

[Gaidax]

I think Turkey is resilient enough to withstand such things and Erdogan has nothing to fear really. It needs a decade of such things and much worse to even come close to Venezuela.

People will eat shit, but who cares about that above, right?

[Collegeguy]

Have you ever heard him talk? 0.15.

Sounds like he had a sex change.

[Kuntantee]

International Law, which above some accord you mention, clearly states that annexing territories is illegal. Anyone that does it must face huge sanctions
In this discussion, that is Turkey, occupying an area in Syria
If you know of more cases like this, by all means you should support sanctions against any despicable country that does that, including Turkey (since were are talking about Turkey in this thread)

And most definitely not invest there! Which is obviously happening as you see with the economic plunge this thread is talking about
You can close your eyes and say "nope" but that is still a fact happening.
There are definitely more reasons, but being bullies and breaking the laws, is for sure one of them

Adana Accord is signed between Syria and Turkey. The international law is there to protect and enforce an international agreement. If Syria can not get rid of PKK, Turkey will and that's exactly what Turkey did.

Turkish Army pulled out of Syria few months ago after Afrin city center is captured, except for the camps in Idlib jointly designated by Syria, Turkey and Russia. In Afrin and Al-bab, the presence of Turkish Army is either non-existent or very limited. It is mostly controlled by local Syrian proxies. So no, Turkey is not occupying the area, pro-Turkish local forces holding it.

[Logwyn]

US has a base in Syria @ Al-Tanf

Also NATO needs Turkey for Black Sea naval access right through Istanbul.

I wonder how the steel and aluminum tariffs will affect this access since Trump decided we needed to do tariff Turkey for some reason....

[Kuntantee]

I wonder how the steel and aluminum tariffs will affect this access since Trump decided we needed to do tariff Turkey for some reason....

Turkey will not respond to this in a significant manner. Any sort of military response (like kicking Americans out of Incirlik, or blocking NATO passage to Black Sea) is out of question.

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I never said arming isis. But a weapon is useless without ammo. But who has a lot of NATO ammo and is right next to Syria? The whole situation is a cluster fuck so best to stay out of it and let turkey, russia and assad duke it out.

When they captured Musoul, they had access to Iraqi Army's inventory in there. There were a shit ton of conventional weapons, the ones that a normal terrorist organization couldn't even dream of. As for ammos, I am not sure but ammo is easy to produce, easy to buy from black market and captured military bases had a shit ton of it.

[Deleted]

To be fair, Trump is far worse than Erdogan.

[Celista]

Time to plan that Turkish vacation

[Skulltaker]

Sounds like he had a sex change.

I was going with Mickey Mouse, but that works too.

[GennGreymane]

finally some good news from trump tweets.

[YPG]

Good luck with that. Bring your jail slippers.

[Khaza-R]

According to Adana Accord, Syria to not let PKK dwell in her soil. Considering the actual government is in turmoil now and has little to no control within certain regions, Turkey used the legal right to clear the area from PKK presence, what you call "Kurds", is a terrorist group threatening Turkey's best interests. Turkey's presence in Syria is more legal than the presence of USA and Coalition against ISIS. You have been told to get out of Syria, yet defying all international law out there, West is still in Syria.

Before pointing fingers, understand the signed treaties, and your position in Syria.

While you certainly have a point. Turkey is not really welcome either in Syria. Especially their presence in Idlib where they are seen as aggressors just further aggravating the this long exhausted war.

I know that Syrian opinions of the Turkish have heavily soured. Turkish people aren't even safe anymore in government controlled areas.

[Deleted]

And a large part of his followers will also believe it. His "fanbase" lives in the rural/mountain areas in the inland and are very... old fashioned, let's call it that.

Have you been there? Do you have a source? Genuinely asking

[lemonade420]

To the people who say that they should be removed from NATO because of their actions in Syria. Should much much much more strongly support the removal of the United States from NATO as the war crimes in the past two decades is beyond any state. Turkey is a saint compared to some members of NATO.

That is indisputable if you look at their history of regime change/economic sanctions/military invasions.

[Underverse]

My heart bleeds for Turkey.

[Morgaith]

To the people who say that they should be removed from NATO because of their actions in Syria. Should much much much more strongly support the removal of the United States from NATO as the war crimes in the past two decades is beyond any state. Turkey is a saint compared to some members of NATO.

That is indisputable if you look at their history of regime change/economic sanctions/military invasions.

So i guess the Armenian genocide makes them look like saints to you then.

[lemonade420]

So i guess the Armenian genocide makes them look like saits to you then.

Armenian Genocide 1915 (1.5 Million) - Turkey is out.
Holocaust 1941-1945 (17 Million) - Germany is out.
Congo Genocide 1885-1908 (7-10 Million) - Belgium is out.
Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Haiti - Canada is out.

I don't wanna type it all out but google United States involvement in regime change. The death toll is beyond comprehension.