Turning Point Offers Ocasio-Cortez $100,000 for Charity to Debate Candace Owens

[JohnBrown1917]

I’m not sure which of her threads this fits into and starting a 4th is ridiculous. But, let’s see the conservative principles they are breaking in these calls:

- Celebrities demanding a debate with government officials.
- Trying to influence politicians with money.
- An elected state official, being called out by celebrities that don’t even reside in her state.
- A freak out over someone who isn’t even running for office in the states this freak out is generated.

How about this... you create a platform, move to NY, then run for office. Otherwise, these celebrities have nothing to lose and are just doing this for ratings. Trump is president of the US and has no trouble calling into fox, instead of doing his job. Why doesn’t Shapiro and Owens debate Trump on his idea of running up the deficit, to then default on national debt? Why not debate Trump over Russia not going into Ukraine. Maybe have a debate on how Trump lowered unemployment by 40%, the instant he won the presidency?

But they love that part, its free speech.

[Felya]

But they love that part, its free speech.

It’s all projecting... that’s the point of that list. The reason they are scared of her, is that she carries Trump’s populist, workers first message, without being a Oligarch that keeps giving his friends hand outs. She is the contrast to Trump that scares them most... a middle income, actual antiestablishment.

[Grapemask]

So is she ever going to be challenged to a debate by people she's actually running against, or is the right's whole strategy here the equivalent of if the left said, "We're challenging Trump to a debate against Colonel Sanders, and if he doesn't take it then HE'S A PUSSY LOL GOT 'EM!"

[Dontrike]

So is she ever going to be challenged to a debate by people she's actually running against, or is the right's whole strategy here the equivalent of if the left said, "We're challenging Trump to a debate against Colonel Sanders, and if he doesn't take it then HE'S A PUSSY LOL GOT 'EM!"

To be fair Trump couldn't win against a skeleton.

[TexasRules]

They need to stop trying this. Democrats do not want her talking because she is socialist, which is still a bad word to the people who actually show up to vote--old people. Why won't Republicans just let her keep babbling about socialism .

[Dacien]

They need to stop trying this. Democrats do not want her talking because she is socialist, which is still a bad word to the people who actually show up to vote--old people. Why won't Republicans just let her keep babbling about socialism .

The right thinks she's a liability and has seized on this. It doesn't matter if she takes up any of these offers or not, or even acknowledges them; it keeps her in the spotlight. I think the campaign to paint her as ignorant has been effective. But don't get me wrong, she certainly stumbled in her media introductions. "Make a good first impression" is only one of several axioms she fell afoul of in the first few weeks of her ascendancy.

[Sky High]

ah man right wingers suuuuuure are desperate to toss dirt on top of her, they must know what a threat politicians like her pose. good, you should be afraid.

[Dontrike]

They need to stop trying this. Democrats do not want her talking because she is socialist, which is still a bad word to the people who actually show up to vote--old people. Why won't Republicans just let her keep babbling about socialism .

Because Republicans also need to stay in the spotlight and show how desperate they are on a daily basis.

[JohnBrown1917]

They need to stop trying this. Democrats do not want her talking because she is socialist, which is still a bad word to the people who actually show up to vote--old people. Why won't Republicans just let her keep babbling about socialism .

Which is why its important to encourage young people to vote, something right-democrats are terrible at.

[Grapemask]

The right thinks she's a liability and has seized on this. It doesn't matter if she takes up any of these offers or not, or even acknowledges them; it keeps her in the spotlight. I think the campaign to paint her as ignorant has been effective. But don't get me wrong, she certainly stumbled in her media introductions. "Make a good first impression" is only one of several axioms she fell afoul of in the first few weeks of her ascendancy.

The thing they've been pretty effective with is simply putting her in the spotlight at all, really. Fox News covers her endlessly, calling her the democrat "darling" and painting her as Democrats' most prized jewel, champion of the left, on and on. Outside of Fox News, though, no one on the left actually cares that much. But conservative media has honed in on a person they can (probably successfully) bully, hound, and later use as an example for the "stupidity of socialism" and thus the left as a whole.

[Dacien]

The thing they've been pretty effective with is simply putting her in the spotlight at all, really. Fox News covers her endlessly, calling her the democrat "darling" and painting her as Democrats' most prized jewel, champion of the left, on and on. Outside of Fox News, though, no one on the left actually cares that much. But conservative media has honed in on a person they can (probably successfully) bully, hound, and later use as an example for the "stupidity of socialism" and thus the left as a whole.

She undoubtedly captured the imagination of many people on the left. For example DNC chairman Tom Perez called her 'The future of our party." She was getting a lot of attention from all sides.

[Felya]

The right thinks she's a liability and has seized on this. It doesn't matter if she takes up any of these offers or not, or even acknowledges them; it keeps her in the spotlight. I think the campaign to paint her as ignorant has been effective. But don't get me wrong, she certainly stumbled in her media introductions. "Make a good first impression" is only one of several axioms she fell afoul of in the first few weeks of her ascendancy.

The right needs someone to be their new Hillary... Trump tried Pokahauntas, but that didn’t really work out. Now Trump goon squad is mobilizing against someone that in reality has nothing to do with most people bitching and demanding a debate. She is a representative of NYC. She is not running for federal office. Do you think Moore would agree to hold debates with Young Turks or do you think them making his accusations, not policy, the debate focus is obvious?

In most realities it would be hard for the NYC oligarch common man, going up against a common man who is actually a broke ass regular shcmuck like the rest of us. But... we are in the worst timeline... where she is the one facing scrutiny. Remember those “so much Trump bitching” posts that lead to Politics as a subforum? There are currently 3 threads on her and 5 with Trump’s name in title. He is the president of the US... she is the representative of those coastal elites, who elected a common man...

Damn... she creates a lot of problems for Trump’s rhetoric.

[Grapemask]

She undoubtedly captured the imagination of many people on the left. For example DNC chairman Tom Perez called her 'The future of our party." She was getting a lot of attention from all sides.

There was definitely a ton of attention on primary night. She beat out an incumbent as someone that statistically never should have. Conservative media took the primary-night-shock and decided it's a permanent state of mind for the left. Don't get me wrong, it's still a race everyone's interested in seeing play out, but I don't think that interest extends beyond the fact that she's so outside of the box of traditional candidates.

[Dacien]

There was definitely a ton of attention on primary night. She beat out an incumbent as someone that statistically never should have. Conservative media took the primary-night-shock and decided it's a permanent state of mind for the left. Don't get me wrong, it's still a race everyone's interested in seeing play out, but I don't think that interest extends beyond the fact that she's so outside of the box of traditional candidates.

I think part of the appeal was that this was a fresh face that overcame an establishment guy. I don't want to tread to far down this path, but there certainly is a segment that feels it is appropriate and beneficial to have such a diverse person break through over an old guy who is decidedly not diverse. I'm trying really hard to word that diplomatically because it can go bad really quick. But I think that played into the enthusiasm. And there's certainly nothing wrong with that at all - if she had the chops. But I don't think she does. You don't have to have all the answers, but she stumbled quite badly.

In any event, I must say that I agree with those who feel she is a liability for the left. Whatever people think of her policy prescriptions, America at large isn't ready for her brand of political ideology. They just aren't. The overall tilt needs to shift a lot more before someone like her, or Bernie for that matter, will gain traction in America, and that's going to take decades.

[Felya]

I think part of the appeal was that this was a fresh face that overcame an establishment guy. I don't want to tread to far down this path, but there certainly is a segment that feels it is appropriate and beneficial to have such a diverse person break through over an old guy who is decidedly not diverse. I'm trying really hard to word that diplomatically because it can go bad really quick. But I think that played into the enthusiasm. And there's certainly nothing wrong with that at all - if she had the chops. But I don't think she does. You don't have to have all the answers, but she stumbled quite badly.

In any event, I must say that I agree with those who feel she is a liability for the left. Whatever people think of her policy prescriptions, America at large isn't ready for her brand of political ideology. They just aren't. The overall tilt needs to shift a lot more before someone like her, or Bernie for that matter, will gain traction in America, and that's going to take decades.

How badly was she stomped? Did she break out into an impression of a disabled journalist? Talk about Russia not going into Ukraine? Unemployment is 45%? Maybe she defended Russia, by saying America is a killer?

[Dacien]

How badly was she stomped? Did she break out into an impression of a disabled journalist?

I mean I don't know that she was stomped necessarily, and the Post article I linked even offers up that an average congressperson could possibly make all the blunders she did during that amount of live interviews. But at the same time, there are certainly plenty of congresspeople who would not. And this is her media introduction; it matters much more for that reason alone, to say nothing of the race.

[Edge-]

How badly was she stomped? Did she break out into an impression of a disabled journalist? Talk about Russia not going into Ukraine? Unemployment is 45%?

Probably advocated for punishing women who get abortions. Or lied about getting a supportive letter from the NFL. Or insulted a gold star family and then got into a fight with them. Or spun tails of Muslims celebrating in the streets in the US after 9/11. Or respond to a question about the nuclear triad by not mentioning anything remotely related to the nuclear triad.

Man, this could go on for a while...

And this is her media introduction; it matters much more for that reason alone, to say nothing of the race.

I'm not so sure anymore. Trump pretty conclusively proved that you don't need to know anything to be president, just sound confident and find a base that knows as little as you and will happily eat up your lies and ignorance.

[Felya]

I mean I don't know that she was stomped necessarily, and the Post article I linked even offers up that an average congressperson could possibly make all the blunders she did during that amount of live interviews. But at the same time, there are certainly plenty of congresspeople who would not. And this is her media introduction; it matters much more for that reason alone, to say nothing of the race.

Yeah, and as the last 2 years have shown, media gaffs are not something that holds back people from winning election. Heck... I can think of one person that is retroactively claiming it was the plan all along.

[Dacien]

Yeah, and as the last 2 years have shown, media gaffs are not something that holds back people from winning election.

There are so many variables, but I'll just say this for now: Trump had a few things that he was able to ride to victory. One of them was media bias. Even if Republicans hated the guy, the attacks on the media found purchase with the conservative populace. It's been a gripe for some time among that group. His sentiment overshadowed his gaffes.

Ocasio-Cortez on the other hand isn't going to find a big wave any time soon in Democratic Socialism that she can ride to popularity. At least, not in a way that will overshadow her gaffes.

[gobio]

I am just pleased that she cannot use "catcalling" this time as both are cis women.
I am also pleased that she cannot pull race card as per SJW tier list version 5.3203b black people is lower on the racial protection list than her (remember this is not racist at all)

So maybe she will actually handle this professionally, I don't know.