PvP scaling is garbage that ruins the whole experience

[Mafic]

Scaling in low levels out in the world, dungeons and raids broken? Check

Scaling broken going from level 119-120? Check

Scaling broken when interacting with players lower than your level (eg 120)? Check.

BFA is lazy mode for the diablo B team devs but hurts the player experience.

[Vorkreist]

If you want to crush the lower lvls in 110-120 bracket you have to outgear them heavily. Some people didn't get the memo about the new scaling I guess.

[Kasierith]

I think you should focus either on gearing up or doing battlegrounds to get your basic skill level up. Because your secondary stats are going to be abysmal until gear starts flowing in, and getting straight up beaten in a fight you picked wouldn't be happening if you're good with your class/spec because while secondary stats and all that they influence do go down hp mana and raw damage does go up which means it should be very hard for them to kill you even if your own stopping power is weakened.

WoW pvp 101: you want to either be more geared or more skilled if you want to reliably win.

[splatomat]

There is something to be said about the increasing irrelevancy of levels. They used to mean things. Now they have pretty much stopped meaning all the things they used to. They've pretty much stopped meaning anything. It's a useless indicator that flips until you cap.

That said...

Play shitty games (ganking lowbies), win shitty prizes (your ass kicked).

[Shakou]

Completely disagree, because literally nothing stops a high level guild to just go around killing lowbies

I don't give a rats ass what you think. That's normal. If you can't hang with that, MMO RPGS just are not the game for you if it's involving any sort of pvp mode. And besides, what you're talking about just isn't a thing. There are actually gank squads of lowbies going around as if the other thing were a thing all along and they're getting their revenge, it's stupid.

That said, to actually fix things they would have to get rid of CRZ and sharding and go back to what it was like before Cataclysm when the idiots decided that you could play both factions on the same server.

Then to actually fix actual issues that the actual game had they'd have to connect more realms so there wasn't all these dead realms few people played on.

There used to be actual consequences for ganking low level characters, like getting ganked by that players guild/main. Now you can't really do that because they've essentially destroyed the concept of a server community which kind of destroys an important aspect of an MMO RPG.

[Sluvs]

I don't give a rats ass what you think. That's normal. If you can't hang with that, MMO RPGS just are not the game for you if it's involving any sort of pvp mode. And besides, what you're talking about just isn't a thing. There are actually gank squads of lowbies going around as if the other thing were a thing all along and they're getting their revenge, it's stupid.

That said, to actually fix things they would have to get rid of CRZ and sharding and go back to what it was like before Cataclysm when the idiots decided that you could play both factions on the same server.

Then to actually fix actual issues that the actual game had they'd have to connect more realms so there wasn't all these dead realms few people played on.

There used to be actual consequences for ganking low level characters, like getting ganked by that players guild/main. Now you can't really do that because they've essentially destroyed the concept of a server community which kind of destroys an important aspect of an MMO RPG.

Yes, wonderful gameplay, I killed your character, now you have to come with your other character that you did not want to play as, KILL ME and then play on the character that you actually wanted to play. Or even better! If that is you only character, you can't play! Amazing gameplay!

Honestly, ganking was annoying, at best. I rather have the situation that we have now than the ganking paradise that we have before. CRZ and sharding are not going away so soon, at least I hope.

Referring to the bold part, I actually can hang with that, because I did for 12-13 years, but thank god the game has changed. YOU are the one advocating that they should reverse this. So maybe if you can't handle getting ganked by twinks, maybe this is not the game for you.

[Deleted]

First of all, it's just my point of view, and that's why. When i engage into combat with a low lvl char, i expect that i should be stronger, because i've invested more time into development of my char, and this is a matter of progression. But when any pvp combat with low lvl lasts forever, and it's not 100% gurantee that you're gona win, it destroys the whole feeling of progression. What's the poing of leveling and gearing (in context of PvP, ofc), when someone, who doesnt even reached max lvl, can easily give you and even fight? I'm not that kind of a clicker, that can't reach 2400+ arena rating, it's not about skill. It's about another socialistic abomination, when your efforts have no value.

What do you guys think of it?

So you tried to kill a sweet summer child and got murdered instead?

Nice.

[iamthedevil]

Im happy with pvp being 80% skill and 20% gear.

[Donald Hellscream]

I remember killing a 110 warrior when I was level 78 on my void elf, it felt super satisfying especially since he probably thought I'd be easy pickings due to the level difference.

[shaunika123]

I don't really understand what you're saying.

Because if you're saying changes have now made it so that gear/level is less relevant but ability is more relevant, ain't that a good thing?

not in an rpg it isnt

[Donald Hellscream]

First of all, it's just my point of view, and that's why. When i engage into combat with a low lvl char, i expect that i should be stronger, because i've invested more time into development of my char, and this is a matter of progression. But when any pvp combat with low lvl lasts forever, and it's not 100% gurantee that you're gona win, it destroys the whole feeling of progression. What's the poing of leveling and gearing (in context of PvP, ofc), when someone, who doesnt even reached max lvl, can easily give you and even fight? I'm not that kind of a clicker, that can't reach 2400+ arena rating, it's not about skill. It's about another socialistic abomination, when your efforts have no value.

What do you guys think of it?

In order words you attacked someone much lower level than you and got owned, so now you are mad because people who previously just had to accept that they could potentially be oneshot on repeat by bored max level characters now have a fighting chance against their aggressors.

[BigBougatsa]

First of all, it's just my point of view, and that's why. When i engage into combat with a low lvl char, i expect that i should be stronger, because i've invested more time into development of my char, and this is a matter of progression. But when any pvp combat with low lvl lasts forever, and it's not 100% gurantee that you're gona win, it destroys the whole feeling of progression. What's the poing of leveling and gearing (in context of PvP, ofc), when someone, who doesnt even reached max lvl, can easily give you and even fight? I'm not that kind of a clicker, that can't reach 2400+ arena rating, it's not about skill. It's about another socialistic abomination, when your efforts have no value.

Honestly, the point must be so that groups of opposition players & even single players will be deterred from camping lower level players. Blizz wants everyone to be able to level & experience the content, so if thats a "socialistic abomination", so be it.
There are people who actually have jobs & lives who can't level to 120 overnight, it shouldn't be counted as an advantage for you just because you chose to sit at your computer longer & smash out the leveling. If you want to seek an advantage, get better at your class or group up.
It's completely about skill & thats how it should be!

[FoxyAnatoliy]

Honestly, the point must be so that groups of opposition players & even single players will be deterred from camping lower level players. Blizz wants everyone to be able to level & experience the content, so if thats a "socialistic abomination", so be it.
There are people who actually have jobs & lives who can't level to 120 overnight, it shouldn't be counted as an advantage for you just because you chose to sit at your computer longer & smash out the leveling. If you want to seek an advantage, get better at your class or group up.
It's completely about skill & thats how it should be!

If they dont want to pvp they can turn warmode off isnt it?

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In order words you attacked someone much lower level than you and got owned, so now you are mad because people who previously just had to accept that they could potentially be oneshot on repeat by bored max level characters now have a fighting chance against their aggressors.

i didnt, it's just retarded and tedious that it takes 5 min to kill a guy who is 9 lvl below you.

[Velfar]

I'm loving this. Been wrecking max-level hordies since 111, I am now 115. I was sceptical of levelling with war mode on, feared it would be gank-o-rama 3000, but it's really awesome. Only met a couple of players that outgeared and outplayed me, and I lost fair and square. The satisfaction of kicking people like OP's butt when they attack me when I killing quest mobs = great

[Deleted]

In order words you attacked someone much lower level than you and got owned, so now you are mad because people who previously just had to accept that they could potentially be oneshot on repeat by bored max level characters now have a fighting chance against their aggressors.

Its a feature that needs tuning because you will inevitably have people taking advantage in unintended ways.

For example, a level 110 that locks his experience can get 3 ilvl 285+Azeroth armor pieces + 2 legion legendary items+ Antorus 4 set+mythic antorus gear+280 trinket+ BFA gems+ ever increasing ilvl neck(and you can get it to 300 easy as is). That sort of player will easily destroy anyone in world pvp, and its not that hard to reach that point.

Levels will have to start mattering soon, because people are always going to take advantage.

[dacoolist]

Seeing multigladiator and ultimate forum destroyer of all butthurt ASMONGOLD getting ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED over and over and over by a level 80 makes me laugh at some of these replies

[clevin]

I don't really understand what you're saying.

Because if you're saying changes have now made it so that gear/level is less relevant but ability is more relevant, ain't that a good thing?

No, it's not. The entire POINT of having character levels is that as you gain them, you become more powerful and more capable. If, say, a 112 can stand toe to toe with a 118 that's silly. By the very definition of levels, the 112 should be weaker and less capable. Sure, if the lower level is pro and the higher level makes a bunch of idiotic mistakes, MAYBE then you lose.

And if we get to the point where character level (not ITEM level, CHARACTER level) doesn't matter, then we've left the RPG world entirely. At that point why have levels or leveling?

[Abraxas79]

You will never convince me that anything but skill should define the result of a pvp encounter.

It was because of QQ like yours that the templates were partially dropped. So, go do max level pvp rather than grief lowbies. You got what you deserved.

Skill in a video game? LOL. Are we talking about discovering how to split the atom here? You press buttons. If that's your definition of skill, go at it.

[Deleted]

Skill in a video game? LOL. Are we talking about discovering how to split the atom here? You press buttons. If that's your definition of skill, go at it.

Guys, this just in! You only have skills at anything if you can split the atom! xD

You are hilarious dude!

[Vorality]

OP is right...not sure why there's so much hate in this thread. I'm at 330 ilvl, and will only mention I've been 2400 because so many people are throwing out the word "skill". Yes, I can kill almost every low leveled person, even other 120 players (I'm an OP rogue), but the scaling is horrid. It's ridiculously hard to kill most healers of any level, and other classes are putting up pretty good fights. That's cool and all, but anyone that has worked hard for their leveling and gear should have a place to show it off - and that's always been world PvP. 3 level 112-113 are ganking a friend that's leveling...at 330 ilvl I should be able to smash them (or at least have a damn good chance), but it's nearly impossible. That's not okay for an RPG/MMO.