Bwonsamdi's boss!? SPOILERS

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I would prefer that over another god of the x plane, this is warcraft, not some god of war/shin megami tensei thing

Well we do know tho that the shadowlands is a realm in Warcraft universe, it is only logical that the strongest or the one with the biggest following would rule over that realm. It is not a matter of is there a big guy in the shadowlands because in every other realm we got one, the elemental plains, the legion, titans you name it all realms have a leadership going.

[Zandalariprelate]

Well we do know tho that the shadowlands is a realm in Warcraft universe, it is only logical that the strongest or the one with the biggest following would rule over that realm. It is not a matter of is there a big guy in the shadowlands because in every other realm we got one, the elemental plains, the legion, titans you name it all realms have a leadership going.

But only the elementals lords and void lords are native masters of their domains and we saw there is more than 1 guy on those groups, it would ruin the build up of blizzard about them as the true final villain of the franchise if they introduce a lord of the death as the new shiny villain, to be honest they should stick with every realm has their gods which are just ascended spirits like Marlone, Bwonsamdi, Helya and Rezan but the "true gods" are the dudes from the light and void because they created the reality and life/death sre just a side effect of their creation.

[Zulkhan]

Inb4 Bwonsamdi guided the troll spirits to Helheim all the time and Helya is his boss.

Inb4 Sylvanas part of deal was to guide more souls for Helya.

Inb4 Helya is a big soul collector.

Inb4 Helya will be the boss of this expansion and will lead to undead expansion or the void one.

Helya is dead af. End of story.

[TickTickTick]

Helya is dead af. End of story.

Have you been living in a cave since BfA release?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ath-are-moving

[GreenJesus]

Don't forget Kel'Thuzad. He's been doing who-knows-what for years now.

Kel'thuzad was just a powerful human sorcerer made into a lich.. A death loa wouldn't have him as a boss.

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Are you sure you're certain?

Or are you going by your utterly ridiculous signature as a measurment?

I like how he puts Sylvanas twice in his power ranking.

[Rafoel]

The Scourge did not resurrect Galakrond, so it's bullshit again.
The Galakrond defeated Tyr. Tyr>Ra = Lei Shen>The Lich King
Argus is called the titan of death in the files of the game and many of his abilities are associated with Death.

If he was called cucumber in game files would you argue he is a vegetable?
Also, ZERO of his abilities are associated with Death. They are only NAMED "Death something", but they are completely not related to necromancy/spirits and everything else commonly associated with death in fantasy settings.
Also, there can't be a "death titan" as death is a fundamental force of the universe, and titans are a part of completely separate fundamental force - order.

Scourge WOULD ressurect Galakrond had the PC not intervened, Alextrasza said so.


Btw, the Lich King downscaling over the years is getting ridicolus. Soon everybody will wonder why Saurfang just didn't oneshot him with heroic throw.

[Vladier]

If he was called cucumber in game files would you argue he is a vegetable?
Also, ZERO of his abilities are associated with Death. They are only NAMED "Death something", but they are completely not related to necromancy/spirits and everything else commonly associated with death in fantasy settings.
Also, there can't be a "death titan" as death is a fundamental force of the universe, and titans are a part of completely separate fundamental force - order.

Well, guess there can't be a titan of life either, then. We should all tell Eonar to stop pretending to be a druid and prune that pesky plantlife that has been growing all over her. In fact, we should also tell every other titan to stop using spells that are not Arcane, so... everyone but Aman'thul and Norgannon should stop using any of their established abilities, really. Especially Sargeras, who literally allied himself with the force opposite of Order. We should also tell the Void Lords that their efforts in creating a Void Titan are absolutely futile, for there can't be such a thing.

Also, Argus' abilities include such things as Volatile Soul (which creates Soulburst and Soulbomb) and the death realm has Hungering Souls which are described as having been released by Argus' rage. As well, denying that an ability named "Cone of Death" which leaves behind "Death Fog" and has the same teal and black colour scheme as, say, death magic of Gorak Tul or Bwonsamdi, is just a name that Argus apparently just came up with despite being reduced to frenzied barely sentient state by millenia of torment is rather ridiculous.

[Zulkhan]

Have you been living in a cave since BfA release?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ath-are-moving

Wow, what a pointless comeback. How many more times we have to defeat her?

[Zandalariprelate]

Wow, what a pointless comeback. How many more times we have to defeat her?

Another time, so Nzoth can unleash his army for the next expansion(because this expansion seem to be against the forces of death and we are maybe getting help from azshara)

[Volardelis]

ghuun was created by the titans tho right? cant he glitch out?

Yeah, G'huun was a failed experiment to try and create a weaker old god to see what could kill them.

G'huun is basically a vaccine that went wrong. He isn't a true Old God like N'zoth, Yogg-saron, C'thun and Y'shaarj.

[Jorgee]

This is quite interesting...

I'm going to call it now, knowing that I probably seeing what I want to see here, but oh well...

... Bwonsamdi's "boss" is Hakkar and the last soul he let escape was Jin'do. It could make some sense, considering Hakkar is known for his insatiable appetite of souls, and if Bwonsamdi were to be his servant, he would be harvesting souls for his benefit. We know Jin'do's soul made it out of the realm of the dead last time by god knows what turn of fate, and eventually attempted to chain Hakkar. Upon being freed, he would eventually say that he wasn't done with us and that we would meet again.

...Gods, I so want Hakkar to be back in the story.

Agreed. The last time we saw him, he left us on a cliffhanger. And now with a setting that predominately features troll culture and souls/death, it would be a missed opportunity to not have him appear in some fashion.

[ZenX]

Interesting, Old Gods that landed in Azeroth consume the manifestation of their 5th sibling whose remains were made into Xal'atath who has a female voice over.

Gul'dan has a quote on a female entity tied to death (In the end, death will inherit this world... and she will be waiting.)

Varimathras quote about a female entity tied to death (Better that you died here, where she cannot claim you.)

Bwonsamdi has a boss in Shadowlands who is probably someone we don't know.

Could the full form of Xal'atath an Old God be in Shadowlands? As Yogg-saron was the Old God of Death, how would she fit into the narrative?

...or Helya did not die and is the boss that Bwonsamdi mentions.

Now, could the Il'gynoth quote of her third death ushering in the return of the Black Empire or coming of the void, what if it is Helya who will die a third and final death? (First death by the hand of Odyn, the second by the hand of players in Trial of Valor)
Void fears the death as it is the only thing that really stops them from manifesting in the universe and say if Helya is pivotal to that narrative. This would be similar to how in Marvel Multiverse (As part of a Guardians of the Galaxy arc), the death of Thanos (Death's champion) in a parallel universe caused Mar-Vell (Life's champion) to cheat death and tip the balance of the said universe in transforming it into a cancerverse where entities there had become Lovecraftian in form.

Sylvanas could take Helya's place to bring back the balance and this could be her "redemption" reciprocating Bolvar's damnation.

[LazarusLong]

Now, that might be not related at all, but do we remember the necromancer from WoD?

[Arrashi]

I really hope that bwonsamdis boss(ess) will turn out to be 3 ancient troll warriors trapped in some mural called "column trolls".

Awaken me bruddas !

[Raven]

Isnt death actually a entity in Wow so death is actually a person, in this case Bwonsamdis boss.

[Arrashi]

Isnt death actually a entity in Wow so death is actually a person, in this case Bwonsamdis boss.

Not any more than arcane/nature/fel etc are. I don't think we ever had hints toward death actually being a single character.

[Reyuna]

Sylvannas clearly.

[BTHSE]

Wow, what a pointless comeback. How many more times we have to defeat her?

Don't you want more threads based on the Il'gynoth whisper "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."?!

[Zulkhan]

Sylvannas clearly.

No, it's obviously a very ancient entity of sort. Bwonsamdi made it clear that quite the long time passed since he "lost" a soul, which given how Bwonsamdi's existence predates even trolls it may very well mean thousands upon thousands of years.

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Don't you want more threads based on the Il'gynoth whisper "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."?!

Damn, it is basically a raid-sized squad of "Third Death" people at this point.

[mrsohta]

Interesting, Old Gods that landed in Azeroth consume the manifestation of their 5th sibling whose remains were made into Xal'atath who has a female voice over.

Gul'dan has a quote on a female entity tied to death (In the end, death will inherit this world... and she will be waiting.)

Varimathras quote about a female entity tied to death (Better that you died here, where she cannot claim you.)

Bwonsamdi has a boss in Shadowlands who is probably someone we don't know.

Could the full form of Xal'atath an Old God be in Shadowlands? As Yogg-saron was the Old God of Death, how would she fit into the narrative?

...or Helya did not die and is the boss that Bwonsamdi mentions.

Now, could the Il'gynoth quote of her third death ushering in the return of the Black Empire or coming of the void, what if it is Helya who will die a third and final death? (First death by the hand of Odyn, the second by the hand of players in Trial of Valor)
Void fears the death as it is the only thing that really stops them from manifesting in the universe and say if Helya is pivotal to that narrative. This would be similar to how in Marvel Multiverse (As part of a Guardians of the Galaxy arc), the death of Thanos (Death's champion) in a parallel universe caused Mar-Vell (Life's champion) to cheat death and tip the balance of the said universe in transforming it into a cancerverse where entities there had become Lovecraftian in form.

Sylvanas could take Helya's place to bring back the balance and this could be her "redemption" reciprocating Bolvar's damnation.

Makes sense that there is another old god there imo, because mobs related to old gods were always like "My death feeds the old gods." or they didn't care about dying. Maybe it feeds on souls. There was something mentioning Helya is still alive tho, so it could be just her