Poor Jaina man...poor fucking Jaina...

[Varitok]

I just don't think her past justifies her being a dick to genuinely innocent members of the Horde.

Although... that number seems to be in short supply these days, unfortunately.

That's the problem. Saurfang despises Sylvanas' decisions but doesn't truly speak up, never refuses orders or even talks with other members about it. He talks of big game but never truly did anything to stop the atrocities being committed

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What exactly is mean about crying and making up with your mother? Because besides that, Jaina has done jack-shit in this expansion...which is about to stay that way for MONTHS. The Alliance does nothing in this xpack.

Seriously...why do some Horde-genociders even comment they want her head? Why would you care about somebody who does nothing belonging to a faction that does nothing? Honest question.

She saved the whole leadership of the alliance and returned the Kul'tiran fleet to Boralus.

[Aeula]

Maybe her brother will do it.

That would be glorious.

Her brother is dead

Not for long.

[Varitok]

That would be glorious.



Not for long.

I see the cringiest hate for Jaina coming from Horde players, for absolutely no reason other than her getting a good character arch,

[Kallisto]

Her city and people were vaporised from existence without reason once again by those she killed her father for

So again we forget that it's confirmed by in game texts that Northwatch and Theramore troops were marching and attacking horde outposts before Garrosh rushed into Ashenvale. Alliance try to claim Ashenvale as first attack of the war but in game quests point to Theramore attacking. Therefore Either A) Jaina is a hypocrite who spewed nothing but lies when she talked about her desire for peace or B) She had no power over her people and Theramore was not her city. Since we know it's not the latter it has to be the former

Her new city was betrayed from within by the very members she fought for to allow back in.

One Blood elf basically did for the horde what she did for the alliance while she pretended to be Neutral (Mere months in lore after telling the Kirin'tor that being neutral means siding with the alliance). Said Blood elves were living in Dalaran for thousands of years and not legally bound by the whims of a child who decided ethnic cleansing is a good idea.

[valky94]

Her city and people were vaporised from existence without reason once again by those she killed her father for

her city was used to transport resources and soldiers into the barrens, it was a strategic target garrosh aimed for, sure he went overboard on it, but it wasnt without reason as you seem claim

[Aeula]

I see the cringiest hate for Jaina coming from Horde players, for absolutely no reason other than her getting a good character arch,

What, you think I'm headcanoning about her brother? https://www.wowhead.com/quest=52774/grab-and-go

Guess what's going to be happening to him.

[BlakeArt]

Based on the Horde War Campaign, it's only going to get worse for the Proudmoore family. (Or better, depending on your perspective.)

Actually, both Rastakhan and Katherine Proudmoore are set up to die. So Talanji and Jaina (who already did) can arise as leader of theyr respective faction and generate some drama in this stupid conflict between the Horde and the Alliance. Both faction are ready to invade/attack the enemy home by the end of the first part of the military campaign. Jaina seems to be destined to lose everyone she ever loved.

[Kyphael]

Lol that is awesome.

[Zharikov]

This is fairly biased. All the Arthas points are fair, along with the guilt of allowing her father to be killed and how the Kul Tirans view her, but the ones concerned the Horde obviously show the favortism.

For one, Theramore wasn't vaporized for no reason. It was destroyed after warning because she allowed the Alliance to use its port and infrastructure to raid Horde lands, allowing their siege weapons access to the Barrens. The Southern Barrens wouldn't be contested territory between the two factions if not for this, and Camp Taurajo wouldn't have been destroyed. One could view this as her betraying her own neutrality with the Horde, especially considering all the 'betrayal' we talk about of the Sunreavers is in fact just them letting the Horde use their portal network to sneak into an Alliance city. If this act by the Sunreavers can be considered betrayal, so too can Jaina allowing the Alliance to use Theramore.

For two, Jaina never fought to let the Horde 'back' into Dalaran. Rhonin allowed them into Dalaran in the first place, while Jaina was busy having nothing to do with the Kirin Tor. She only rejoined the Kirin Tor after Theramore, and the deciding vote on letting her be the new Grand Magus was /Aethas/ taking a chance on her not blaming all the Horde for Garrosh. Didn't work out terribly well for him, but no one accused Aethas of being smart.

Her being emotional rather than logical about all this isn't /surprising/,/ but let's not pretend her revisionist view of what happened with Daelin or his racist genocidal views is a good thing, or that she's purely a victim her. She did the very thing she hates the Sunreavers for, all without any kind of acknowledgement about it or acknowledgement. (Even in the narrative, sadly, but the narrative playing up war acts committed by the Horde as worse than those committed by the Alliance is nothing new, see the portrayal of Camp T. "But one general wanted to let civilians flee into dangerous territory and got ignored by his soldiers so its okay," without affording the Horde any sort of courtesy with the reversal when it comes to Garrosh.)

TL;DR Jaina has her reasons for being bitter for sure, but her bitterness isn't a /good/ thing and is causing her to revise the past. Jaina and the narrative itself also don't exactly take a non-biased view on matters, either.

[Jeina]

How so? Kul'Tiras is united at the end of the allliance campaign at least. The entire Kul'tiras fleet returned home and the Zandalar ships got bombs strapped to them.

And the Horde stole an item that will allow them to sink the entire Kul Tiran fleet.

[SherriMayim]

So again we forget that it's confirmed by in game texts that Northwatch and Theramore troops were marching and attacking horde outposts before Garrosh rushed into Ashenvale. Alliance try to claim Ashenvale as first attack of the war but in game quests point to Theramore attacking. Therefore Either A) Jaina is a hypocrite who spewed nothing but lies when she talked about her desire for peace or B) She had no power over her people and Theramore was not her city. Since we know it's not the latter it has to be the former



One Blood elf basically did for the horde what she did for the alliance while she pretended to be Neutral (Mere months in lore after telling the Kirin'tor that being neutral means siding with the alliance). Said Blood elves were living in Dalaran for thousands of years and not legally bound by the whims of a child who decided ethnic cleansing is a good idea.

...You realize that Orcs are basically illegal immigrants right?

They have no rightful claim to Azeroth or its lands.

[Jeina]

...You realize that Orcs are basically illegal immigrants right?

They have no rightful claim to Azeroth or its lands.

Can you find me Azeroth's immigration laws?

[cityguy193]

Horde players really are mental gymnasts.

Pretty much

[Tiwack]

Nobody ever had it easy. Only fools would try to tell you otherwise.

[Worvon]

And the Horde stole an item that will allow them to sink the entire Kul Tiran fleet.

Bitch has a flying goddamn ghost ship. Like the little horde tech matters.

[Tiwack]

Most bad stuff happened to her own doings though. She left Arthas by himself making inhumane decisions (Uther is also to be blamed), she allowed herself to be found by Daelin while she could've tried to reach out Kul'Tiras MUCH earlier by her own during her stay in Theramore, and Garrosh had to bomb Theramore because the Alliance was using it as a port to invade Southern Barrens.

She has gone trough some stuff but there are characters who had it worse.

wtf it's not a competition and everyone is expected to have agency of themselves instead of blindly bandwagon whoever offers shinies. Reap what you sow.

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...You realize that Orcs are basically illegal immigrants right?

They have no rightful claim to Azeroth or its lands.

It's a propaganda term designed to fear-monger freedom of movement. Azeroth doesn't care.
It's Semantics. They're migrants and not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Theoris]

Her brother is dead, That's why Daelin hated the orcs so badly.

She has a second brother - Tandred Proudmoore (he was canon, then he became non-canon, and now he's canon again). It's the "Let's show them what Kul Tirans are made of!" guy in the Pride of Kul Tiras cinematic.

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She's had it rough over the years, yeah. Luckily things are getting better for her and she's getting the character development she deserves.

Now hopefully they will do the same for Tyrande...

[Crillam]

Isn't the only thing we actually learned here that Jaina has terrible taste in men?

No, the boyfriend he/she/it keeps mentioning is Arthas.
She has only been with Arthas and Kalec.

[Jeina]

Bitch has a flying goddamn ghost ship. Like the little horde tech matters.

The ship is very much made of wood and can be very easily sunk by the artifact the Horde stole and it ain't Horde tech.

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She has a second brother - Tandred Proudmoore (he was canon, then he became uncanon, and now he's canon again). It's the "Let's show them what Kul Tirans are made of!" guy in the Pride of Kul Tiras cinematic.

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She's had it rough over the years, yeah. Luckily things are getting better for her and she's getting the character development she deserves.

Now hopefully they will do the same for Tyrande...

Yea, but I wasn't talking about Tandred.

[zorothusian]

And the Horde stole an item that will allow them to sink the entire Kul Tiran fleet.

Well I guess the horde and alliance wont have a fleet. So it just as bad for the horde.