Stormy Daniels, Feminist Hero

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Remind me again what she did again that's so empowering or amazing for women?
She did have the affair willingly, didn't she? And she did accept money to keep quiet, didn't she?

[Darknessvamp]

I thought feminists considered Porn Stars to be sub-human traitors of their sex because they perform for the entertainment of the patriarchy or some dumb shit. Isn't a feminist porn star like a catch 22 for them?

[Uncle]

I thought feminists considered Porn Stars to be sub-human traitors of their sex because they perform for the entertainment of the patriarchy or some dumb shit. Isn't a feminist porn star like a catch 22 for them?

That's called hypocrisy.

The same "feminists" are harassing women who want to stay home and raise kids because "they are betraying the women by submitting themselves to the patriarchy" and want to force them to do something else; which is pure sectarism behavior because those women are exactly doing what they want; which is the core aspect of feminism: egality for men and women to make their own choices.
Except for "feminists", when you are a woman, you only have the choice to fight the "evil men who are oppressing us" because if you don't, you are a slave and a traitor.

[Huulo]

I just can't shake the notion that nobody would be saying this about her if she had been involved with the last president instead...

If the last president had done the same things this president had done, such as paying for cover-ups, his supporters with have turned on him in a second. That's the difference.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/o...nist-hero.html

Someone needs to explain to me how a porn star, who literally has men ejaculate on her face for a living, is a feminist hero. Unless the definition of feminism has changed from empowering women to anyone who 'stands up to Trump', the feminist movement has become is a farce. The Trump Derangement Syndrome has taken a sharp turn to the surreal. Is Stormy a feminist icon now? Is she who we want our sisters/daughters to idolise?

There are so many different branches to feminist theory that you might as well say "philosophy is trash now" because you read one article you disagreed with. Most forms of modern feminist thought accept the idea that women should be able to make the choices that are best for them without feeling ashamed. Whether that's a law career, a stay-at-home mom, having kids, not having kids, or being and adult film actor is up to them. But yeah, she faced a ton of pressure from the lawyers of a corrupt politician and chose to tell the truth of her story anyway, which is cool by me.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

stormy daniels is just some wrinkly old woman who is 45 minutes past her 15 minutes of fame.

even her lawyer is like fuck off bitch this is about me now.

she wasn't raped. she wasn't mistreated in anyway. she is a two bit whore that got paid by someone who happens to be someone today.

[Huulo]

That's called hypocrisy.

The same "feminists" are harassing women who want to stay home and raise kids because "they are betraying the women by submitting themselves to the patriarchy" and want to force them to do something else; which is pure sectarism behavior because those women are exactly doing what they want; which is the core aspect of feminism: egality for men and women to make their own choices.
Except for "feminists", when you are a woman, you only have the choice to fight the "evil men who are oppressing us" because if you don't, you are a slave and a traitor.

Who's doing this? Is there an actual person who says that porn stars are sub-human, women should be forced to work, and praises Stormy Daniels at the same time? Or is this just a straw-man?

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stormy daniels is just some wrinkly old woman who is 45 minutes past her 15 minutes of fame.

even her lawyer is like fuck off bitch this is about me now.

she wasn't raped. she wasn't mistreated in anyway. she is a two bit whore that got paid by someone who happens to be someone today.

She's not letting herself be a victim, not letting herself be controlled/manipulated by people who think they can do that to anyone. Some people find that inspirational.

[therealbowser]

Obviously, anyone who speaks out against Trump is a hero.

I don't love Trump, but I mean this is getting ridiculous.

[Rennadrel]

Feminists do not campaign against those things, stupid people who run with the feminism line do. Feminists are all about equality between genders. If you want to be a porn star, or a cheerleader, or a pole dancer, or a home maker, or a CEO, you should be able to with the same benefits, pay, and acceptance that your male counterparts would get. That's all.



Read above.

IIRC, women in porn generally get paid more than men, because they are most often the focal point of their "films"

[Grapemask]

If you keep in mind that performing in porn can be a choice, can you specifically describe what about being a pornstar precludes also being an 'empowered' feminist? Remember that there is plenty to argue that her freedom to choose what men do to her is an empowerment in itself.

[unbound]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/o...nist-hero.html

Someone needs to explain to me how a porn star, who literally has men ejaculate on her face for a living, is a feminist hero. Unless the definition of feminism has changed from empowering women to anyone who 'stands up to Trump', the feminist movement has become is a farce. The Trump Derangement Syndrome has taken a sharp turn to the surreal. Is Stormy a feminist icon now? Is she who we want our sisters/daughters to idolise?

rofl

I mean, did you even bother to read the opinion piece outside of the headline?

Right from the article itself, it has already captured your attitude:

Ms. Daniels is a sex worker, making her the kind of "bad woman," scorned for her work, who is not often believed when she indicts a powerful man.

This is what Mr. Trump's protectors are banking on. Ms. Daniel's lack of shame about her line of work had led to a right-wing escalation, with conservative media outlets hounding her as a "prostitute" once they realized she would meet "porn star" with a shrug.

If you really want to understand why the author is making this claim, at least have the guts to read what they author wrote. Stop being a tool and mindlessly accepting the BS that gets shoveled to you by RW sites.

This is why I can confidently roll my eyes at the RW nonsense here and on the web in general. Not only does anything beyond black and white thinking confuse the vast majority of conservatives, very few seem capable of reading anything beyond a headline or paragraph...and most of those very few seem to have comprehension issues.

I mean, we'll get to critical thought at some point, but at least get to the basics of reading what is available, and not just the screeds on RW sites. Stop being ignorant if you want your arguments to be taken seriously. It gets tiring trying to explain non-black and white concepts to you people...and almost everything in this world is not black and white.

[Alexeht]

People like underdogs. And a pornstar that managed to fight a president and come out on top is a great underdog story. If this bothers you too much, don't read about it. I understand though, it's hard to accept that a pornstar has more credibility than your orange idol.

Having man ejaculate on face if you are a woman (for money) = Hero

Grabbing them by the pussy (while paying for it) = Rapist

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I think it's about time to recognize that "feminism" is a bygone concept only perpetuated by a bunch of blue hairs that think it means having the excuse to do whatever you want whenever you want without repercussions.

Yep, sad thing for me is that I actually liked blue hair

[Nynax]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/o...nist-hero.html

Someone needs to explain to me how a porn star, who literally has men ejaculate on her face for a living, is a feminist hero. Unless the definition of feminism has changed from empowering women to anyone who 'stands up to Trump', the feminist movement has become is a farce. The Trump Derangement Syndrome has taken a sharp turn to the surreal. Is Stormy a feminist icon now? Is she who we want our sisters/daughters to idolise?

dunno if it's been said, but regarding porn; there are two different feminist schools of thought:
• On one side is the belief that porn itself, as a medium, is fundamentally patriarchal and as such, no form of porn is okay; because any porn is degrading of women.
• The other side starts with the idea that a woman should be allowed to live her life however she wants, and without judgement. For them acting in porn is a woman's free choice to embrace her sexuality, and she should not be thought less of for doing so. This avenue sometimes stretches as far as advocating for legalizing and regulating prostitution. They see a regulated sex industry as just another avenue for a woman to work toward financial autonomy, taking advantage of men's desires. (Regulated is really important here though, as they clearly do not support sex trafficking, pimps, revenge porn, etc. It has to be her uncoerced choice.)

Edit Final Note:

The thing about feminism today is that, in truth, it is as fragmented and disjointed as Occupy Wall Street, or BLM, or any other progressive movement today seems to be. What we see online and in media is, as usual, the loudest and most emotional voices. However, for every feminist (and those that support equal rights but no longer call themselves feminists), you'll find a slightly different idea of what feminism actually is today. I've personally known woman who are the extreme "3rd wave" "hate all men" feminist, all the way to a woman that said "if I want to be a stay-at-home mom with a husband and family that is my right to choose, it shouldn't make me less of a feminist."

[Direpenguin]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/o...nist-hero.html

Someone needs to explain to me how a porn star, who literally has men ejaculate on her face for a living, is a feminist hero. Unless the definition of feminism has changed from empowering women to anyone who 'stands up to Trump', the feminist movement has become is a farce. The Trump Derangement Syndrome has taken a sharp turn to the surreal. Is Stormy a feminist icon now? Is she who we want our sisters/daughters to idolise?

You forgot we live in a time where Nobel Prizes are handed out like participation trophies, simply because one gets elected to office. Anything that fits the Liberal narrative these days are labeled 'heroic' or 'courageous'...yet Liberals have no idea what these words actually mean. It's so 'courageous' to announce ones-self as gay in a society that ruins the lives of anyone who announces themselves as being against it. It's 'heroic' for a porn star to break an agreement and go public with an affair she was paid to keep private.

As long as it's in-line with what the Left is trying to sell, then you can bet your ass it will somehow get trumped (no pun) up to be more important than it really is, so they can use it as a soapbox to pander from...

[s_bushido]

I guess this is what happens when dipshits on the internet convince themselves that feminism is some evil hivemind hell-bent on cutting men's dicks off. There are feminists who don't like porn. There are feminists who do. Deal with it.

But the people dismissing female sex workers as some sort of human garbage putting their unabashed misogyny on display in this thread are pretty interesting. Here I was almost convinced by those very same people that these forums were some sort of librul hell-hole.

[zhero]

I guess this is what happens when dipshits on the internet convince themselves that feminism is some evil hivemind hell-bent on cutting men's dicks off. There are feminists who don't like porn. There are feminists who do. Deal with it.

But the people dismissing female sex workers as some sort of human garbage putting their unabashed misogyny on display in this thread are pretty interesting. Here I was almost convinced by those very same people that these forums were some sort of librul hell-hole.

people not believing that she is a feminist, let alone a feminist hero, in any era of the words, doesn't make them evil. Stormy Daniels most definitely isn't a feminist, she is just someone that got lucky and found herself in a beneficial situation to profit.

[Darsithis]

IIRC, women in porn generally get paid more than men, because they are most often the focal point of their "films"

Yes, but role-based payment is expected.

That is literally saying anything goes as long as she is getting paid as much as a male counterpart. Have moral standards fallen so low we hold porn stars up are role models now?

Anything does go! Who are you to tell someone that their profession is disgusting or morally wrong?

Also I said "pay, benefits, and acceptance". I was referring to all levels of getting into and achieving success in a profession. Actual success should be up to their own merit, but they shouldn't be discounted out of the gate for being female.

Our opinion does matter if she is being held up as a hero to be worshipped and admired. Good on Stormy for making a buck, but don't hold her up as a hero or as a feminist ideal. In a desperate attempt to get at Trump it has made that particular journalist a deranged hypocrite.

At least Bill Clinton had the decency to fuck an intern and not a porn star. Some standards need to be maintained. I wonder if we should call Monica a feminist hero?

Sounds as if you just have a personal crusade against pornography in general. Your implication is that if someone has worked in porn, they don't deserve to be treated as a human being. Might surprise you to know that when I was in my 20's I was a male escort (for men). Should I be fired from my career now? Am I suddenly less human, less useful to my development teams because I used to get paid for sex? Should I be strung up?

[HumbleDuck]

You could read the article to find out why the author thinks it's the case, but reading isn't your strong suit, I know.
By the way, she has done much more for women than people like Anita sarkeesian have done.

[Rooflesstoofless]

She totally is. You aren’t a feminist unles you’ve choked down a few hundred dicks in front of the camera.

[Cerilis]

I guess this is what happens when dipshits on the internet convince themselves that feminism is some evil hivemind hell-bent on cutting men's dicks off. There are feminists who don't like porn. There are feminists who do. Deal with it.

But the people dismissing female sex workers as some sort of human garbage putting their unabashed misogyny on display in this thread are pretty interesting. Here I was almost convinced by those very same people that these forums were some sort of librul hell-hole.

Why cant I Like this post?

[Ryusei]

I guess this is what happens when dipshits on the internet convince themselves that feminism is some evil hivemind hell-bent on cutting men's dicks off. There are feminists who don't like porn. There are feminists who do. Deal with it.

But the people dismissing female sex workers as some sort of human garbage putting their unabashed misogyny on display in this thread are pretty interesting. Here I was almost convinced by those very same people that these forums were some sort of librul hell-hole.

They are. They'd fuck a dog for money.