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    PragerU Tries to Defend Data Caps.

    Data Caps and or Throttling somebody unless they pay more for Bandwidth is a Scam, Seems like usual they want people to pay more for less.



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    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

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    Something is disingenuous about that electricity analogy, but I'm too lazy to put more thought into it.

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    It's not an accurate video but there's a lot of hysteria about not having government mandated net neutrality.

    The Internet has done fine without the government mandating that stuff.

    Look, worst case scenario, make your own ISP, open up the competition and ISPs that offer a shitty service (high cost poor access) get phased out.


    If you're so concerned about evil stuff on the Internet, HIRE PEOPLE TO START PATROLLING the damn dark web, lots of evil illegal shit there, but the government shouldn't have direct powers over the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Look, worst case scenario, make your own ISP
    ROFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    ROFL. lol.
    Yeah, everyone is lazy and says the same thing. "We can't do it".

    I don't care, do it.

    If there's such a huge public outcry then I believe hundreds of millions of people can figure out a way to make a proper ISP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    If you're so concerned about evil stuff on the Internet, HIRE PEOPLE TO START PATROLLING the damn dark web


    If there's such a huge public outcry then I believe hundreds of millions of people can figure out a way to make a proper ISP.
    It will fix itself?
    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    ROFL.
    For the past century, all IT advancement has been towards faster and yet cheaper.

    The Internet will be fine. Maybe put cops to patrol the dark web like they do the STREETS or something if you're so concerned about immoral things on the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post




    It will fix itself?
    People fix things. Go start a "proper ISP", hell, I'll even invest in it if it looks semi-decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    The Internet will be fine. Maybe put cops to patrol the dark web like they do the STREETS or something if you're so concerned about immoral things on the Internet.
    ROFL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    People fix things. Go start a "proper ISP", hell, I'll even invest in it if it looks semi-decent.
    Which People?
    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

    Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.

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    can't wait for YouTube to pull their channel down and hear the salt that will cause. "but muh free market!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    ROFL.


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    Which People?
    I want to know what you think is worse:

    1. some random ISP having crappy rules (you still haven't explained what exactly has any ISP done that warrants government regulation of the ENTIRE Internet)
    2. child porn and assassins on the dark web

    Then tell me why your priority is number 1 and literally no word about nr. 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I want to know what you think is worse:

    1. some random ISP having crappy rules (you still haven't explained what exactly has any ISP done that warrants government regulation of the ENTIRE Internet)
    2. child porn and assassins on the dark web

    Then tell me why your priority is number 1 and literally no word about nr. 2.
    ya know for a guy who posts really wild conspiracy theories one would think you want the government to allow you to say that and not leave it to a private company to decide weather to come in and shut you down. but, clearly you have no idea what NN actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I want to know what you think is worse:

    1. some random ISP having crappy rules (you still haven't explained what exactly has any ISP done that warrants government regulation of the ENTIRE Internet)
    2. child porn and assassins on the dark web

    Then tell me why your priority is number 1 and literally no word about nr. 2.
    You honestly think the dark web does not have a shit ton of honey pots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You honestly think the dark web does not have a shit ton of honey pots?
    their post makes absolutely no fucking sense.

    1: what, you want MORE regulation of the internet?
    2: what, you DON'T want regulation of the internet?

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    ya know for a guy who posts really wild conspiracy theories one would think you want the government to allow you to say that and not leave it to a private company to decide weather to come in and shut you down. but, clearly you have no idea what NN actually is.
    I don't have a problem with companies shutting down right-wingers like Alex Jones as long as they are honest about their leftist bias as a company. But of course they're frauds, if people had known from the start what their bias was, would it still be as popular? Probably not. Facebook, Google etc. rose to fame masquerading as something they were not, open platforms. That's fraudulent in my view.

    Hopefully the truth is out now and they will fall soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    their post makes absolutely no fucking sense.

    1: what, you want MORE regulation of the internet?
    2: what, you DON'T want regulation of the internet?
    Taking down child porn is policing, not regulation. No different than a cop on the street witnessing a crime in progress and stopping it.

    A full scale regulation of the Internet would be something like a curfew in real life and some streets being off limits to you even if you haven't been proven to have done anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Look, worst case scenario, make your own ISP, open up the competition and ISPs that offer a shitty service (high cost poor access) get phased out.
    You do realize how insanely high the barrier to entry is for a new ISP, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post


    Taking down child porn is policing, not regulation. No different than a cop on the street witnessing a crime in progress and stopping it.

    A full scale regulation of the Internet would be something like a curfew in real life and some streets being off limits to you even if you haven't been proven to have done anything wrong.
    You know they are already going after those sites, right? I think you just don't have any idea how the dark web works.


    It also has fuck all to with NN. But hey, if you hate regulations that will benefit you, nobody is stopping you from expressing that hate. I mean, unless you're a CEO of one of the big ISPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I don't have a problem with companies shutting down right-wingers like Alex Jones as long as they are honest about their leftist bias as a company. But of course they're frauds, if people had known from the start what their bias was, would it still be as popular? Probably not. Facebook, Google etc. rose to fame masquerading as something they were not, open platforms. That's fraudulent in my view.
    You are confusing the internet, with social media. That’s why Infowars.com is not banned... until your ISP chooses to ban them, because “government enforced” net neutrality, is gone. Social media cannot block independent parts of the internet, while ISP sure as hell can.

    A full scale regulation of the Internet would be something like a curfew in real life and some streets being off limits to you even if you haven't been proven to have done anything wrong.
    Yes, which is something protected by net neutrality, but has nothing to do with social media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Taking down child porn is policing, not regulation. No different than a cop on the street witnessing a crime in progress and stopping it.
    Policing because of Law and Regulations.

    A full scale regulation of the Internet would be something like a curfew in real life and some streets being off limits to you even if you haven't been proven to have done anything wrong.
    Which didn't happen with Net Neutrality.
    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You know they are already going after those sites, right? I think you just don't have any idea how the dark web works.
    His issue is with Facebook being able to ban users, but he supports NBC owned Comcast, blocking access to their actual sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You know they are already going after those sites, right? I think you just don't have any idea how the dark web works.
    They're not going enough.

    Here's an option: Don't spend any resources on telling ISPs what to do about net neutrality, divert all those resources to a stronger police presence on the dark web.

    Government doesn't have unlimited money. It should spend what it has on its main functions: defense and combating the initiation of aggression/fraud

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