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    Is there any mention of what was happening when Sargeras surrounded Azeroth?

    You would think there would have been huge heatwaves from the sheer existence of Sargeras enveloping the planet, pulsing fel energy, and everything dying. He had the entire planet covered in his mist. Did people have asthma problems? Did the sky turn dark and everyone was losing their shit? What happened? Did the Zandalari not know the legion invaded the world? Did the legion ignore them? Did Kul'tiras not get hit by the legion? why? Lady Ashvane says "Where were you when our sons and daughters died on kalimdor".. um excuse me?? Where the fuck were YOU when the legion was destroying our world? Like seriously? If there was a world ending threat at least have the characters reference it or be scarred by the experience or something. The only thing Sargeras did while he literally had our world in his grip for the whole time we were assaulting his base was drop his sword before he got beamed out? He didn't even destroy all life on the surface?? Like wtf.. If you are going to use the most powerful being in the existence of the universe don't have him sitting in a planets atmosphere for hours/days without doing anything. Sargeras could have been approaching azeroth and got beamed out when he was about to reach it.. But why have him literally sitting there for hours and nothing meaningful actually happens during that time?
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    He was trying to corrupt Azeroth to come to his side, like he did with Aggramar. Once he saw it's too late, he stabbed her.

    As for no one remembering it, the whole reality had a collective amnesia so we could have our rule of cool moment in Antorus. You don't question stuff like that!

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    The way I rationalise things like this is that somehow the threat, in this case Sargeras, saw that the Alliance and Horde are the competition. Kul Tiras was isolationist and not a threat by themselves. He could deal with them later. That's the same reason why the Lich King didn't attack Gil'neas, Kul Tiras, or Zandalar, or why Deathwing attacked Stormwind.
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    Kul Tiras, being a seafaring merchant nation, simply had to know about the overall status of the fight against the Legion. Logic says the Legion invaded them and Zandalari too. They all knew that demons are back again, supposedly. That is why it is seems absolutely stupid that they even attempt to arrest you, the fricking Highlord/Deathlord/Archmage (and being an ex-Alliance nation they perfectly well know who Highlord is and what he represents), saviour of their asses, just because Ashvane told so.

    Alas - one thing is the lore behind the covers, other is what you see ingame, which will always be limited.
    But to be fair - Blizzard is not really that good at continuity.

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    Regardless of how the lore describe Sargeras, he was SHOWN to be an imbecile. He has Azeroth right there and doesn't cleave the planet in half. He destroys the pantheon but allows it to reform. He surrounds the planet in mist but it does nothing. He fails to corrupt Azeroth. He can't even kill a single lore hero. Just to drive home the point of how inept he is, in his last moment he swings and misses at the Vindicaar with his hand as it zooms past him and then he helplessly cries like a baby and the Pantheon jails him.

    It was terrible writing.

    Furthermore it damages the lore because, going forward, new fans' only impression of Sargeras will be that cinematic where he looks like a total screwup.
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    Azeroth was protected by the ozone layer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Regardless of how the lore describe Sargeras, he was SHOWN to be an imbecile. He has Azeroth right there and doesn't cleave the planet in half. He destroys the pantheon but allows it to reform. He surrounds the planet in mist but it does nothing. He fails to corrupt Azeroth. He can't even kill a single lore hero. Just to drive home the point of how inept he is, in his last moment he swings and misses at the Vindicaar with his hand as it zooms past him and then he helplessly cries like a baby and the Pantheon jails him.

    It was terrible writing.

    Furthermore it damages the lore because, going forward, new fans' only impression of Sargeras will be that cinematic where he looks like a total screwup.
    It isn't terrible writing. His intent was to basically make a Fel version of Azeroth to fight against the Void with his crusade. He only attempted to stab Azeroth when Plan A was dead in the water. He was in the proccess of it but since we with the help of the Pantheon subdued Argus, he was too busy focusing on Azeroth(And with every right he should since Illidan laid Azeroth for the taking).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Regardless of how the lore describe Sargeras, he was SHOWN to be an imbecile. He has Azeroth right there and doesn't cleave the planet in half. He destroys the pantheon but allows it to reform. He surrounds the planet in mist but it does nothing. He fails to corrupt Azeroth. He can't even kill a single lore hero. Just to drive home the point of how inept he is, in his last moment he swings and misses at the Vindicaar with his hand as it zooms past him and then he helplessly cries like a baby and the Pantheon jails him.

    It was terrible writing.

    Furthermore it damages the lore because, going forward, new fans' only impression of Sargeras will be that cinematic where he looks like a total screwup.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    You would think there would have been huge heatwaves from the sheer existence of Sargeras enveloping the planet, pulsing fel energy, and everything dying. He had the entire planet covered in his mist. Did people have asthma problems? Did the sky turn dark and everyone was losing their shit? What happened? Did the Zandalari not know the legion invaded the world? Did the legion ignore them? Did Kul'tiras not get hit by the legion? why? Lady Ashvane says "Where were you when our sons and daughters died on kalimdor".. um excuse me?? Where the fuck were YOU when the legion was destroying our world? Like seriously? If there was a world ending threat at least have the characters reference it or be scarred by the experience or something. The only thing Sargeras did while he literally had our world in his grip for the whole time we were assaulting his base was drop his sword before he got beamed out? He didn't even destroy all life on the surface?? Like wtf.. If you are going to use the most powerful being in the existence of the universe don't have him sitting in a planets atmosphere for hours/days without doing anything. Sargeras could have been approaching azeroth and got beamed out when he was about to reach it.. But why have him literally sitting there for hours and nothing meaningful actually happens during that time?
    He fell in love with her a long time ago, so at this point he was trying to corrupt her, like he did agramar, attemptign to turn her into a fel titan so they could be together, him and her against the void.
    but when we cockblocked him he pulled a "if i cant have her no one can"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Kul Tiras, being a seafaring merchant nation, simply had to know about the overall status of the fight against the Legion. Logic says the Legion invaded them and Zandalari too. They all knew that demons are back again, supposedly. That is why it is seems absolutely stupid that they even attempt to arrest you, the fricking Highlord/Deathlord/Archmage (and being an ex-Alliance nation they perfectly well know who Highlord is and what he represents), saviour of their asses, just because Ashvane told so.

    Alas - one thing is the lore behind the covers, other is what you see ingame, which will always be limited.
    But to be fair - Blizzard is not really that good at continuity.
    They know nothing about us saving them, just that the legions vanished.
    also the legion is stated as to have avoided them as they did not see them as a threat, knowing they stuck to themselves, there is demons in zandalar, one of them, who was spying on the zandalari.

    They kultirans are just sticking to themselves, they arnt going to go to fucking argus and kill the legion, so why even bother, deal with them once the real threats, the alliance and horde are done with.

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    Makes wonder - was sargeras visible from azeroth ? Did azerothians saw something like this ?

    Could they hear his yells ?
    Was there a part of azeroth where sky was completely blocked by giant titanic groin ?
    How many people had to roll for sanity and failed that day ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    It isn't terrible writing.
    Its terrible writing because they actually managed to make a world sized demon of pure evil to feel like not a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    It isn't terrible writing. His intent was to basically make a Fel version of Azeroth to fight against the Void with his crusade. He only attempted to stab Azeroth when Plan A was dead in the water. He was in the proccess of it but since we with the help of the Pantheon subdued Argus, he was too busy focusing on Azeroth(And with every right he should since Illidan laid Azeroth for the taking).
    But why not kill everything on the surface of the planet (which he should be able to do with the snap of his fingers) and THEN corrupt the core of the planet? His very existence should spell doom to everything on the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    But why not kill everything on the surface of the planet (which he should be able to do with the snap of his fingers) and THEN corrupt the core of the planet? His very existence should spell doom to everything on the surface.
    He couldn't even scratch a brick on Stormwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    But why not kill everything on the surface of the planet (which he should be able to do with the snap of his fingers) and THEN corrupt the core of the planet? His very existence should spell doom to everything on the surface.
    so you want the body to be damaged?
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    so you want the body to be damaged?
    I'm pretty sure the mighty Sargeras can figure out how to kill all living life forms on the surface without harming Azeroth the titan. He's fucking Sargeras.

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    Ok let's take a shot.

    We don't know exactly how much of Azeroth was covered by Sargeras's mist. From the images and cinematic it's hard to tell. Also, he wasn't there for hours. As you go through Antorus you can see the mist traveling to Azeroth. He was only there for the time it took us to fight Argus.

    If the Legion showed up to Zandalar then yes they knew, which we know it did cause theres a Shivara there, also didn't they say Jaina was fighting the Legion on her own. It's also possible they didn't show up since the Legions goal was on the Broken Shore. Plus why would they be talking about the Legion when they are currently at war? "Hey did you see all those demons? By the way the Alliance just blew up a supply caravan". No. BFA takes place several months after Legion. Most of peoples discussion of the Legion ended when Azerite started showing up and the War began. Plus, it really doesn't matter how scarred "Random Stormwind Citizen #84" is from the Legions attack.

    Also that cloud was him reforming his body, he didn't have much power there to destroy anything. When the titans used Argus power that he had left to fire that beam at Sargeras, they forced his body out of the cloud. As you see in the cinematic his feet didn't form.
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    7.2 + 7.3 were shit patches that damaged the lore. Our assault on Argus should have been its own expansion. Antorus felt rushed. I really wonder what changed at Blizzard between the teams that made 7.0 + 7.1....and anything after that. But whoever made 7.2 + 7.3 definetly set the expectations for BFA....were they managed to degrade global war between the Alliance and Horde into tiny white mission table texts while the actual game has NOTHING about it.

    Let's hope 9.0 is closer to 7.0 in quality. TBC was a big shit-stain on the lore as well...and they simply said "well fuck it...you just did not know what actually happened!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    I'm pretty sure the mighty Sargeras can figure out how to kill all living life forms on the surface without harming Azeroth the titan. He's fucking Sargeras.
    The Titans can't control their powers like that. Aman'thul had no choice and merely ripped Y'shaarj from Azeroth and it caused a bleeding wound. Sargeras is even mightier than his brother was, any effort to "just" kill everything on the surface will probably severely damage Azeroth herself and incinerate her surface miles deep. Plus, before the beam showed up he had no indication that we would be able to do anything to stop him.

    When he decided it was better to have her be killed than be left to her own devices, stabbing her was the best way to carry out his plan as well. We have to remember Azeroth would have died if we didn't have the Artifacts as a convenient power siphon.

    As for why Sargeras's presence alone didn't cause untold devastation to the planet as it should have, well, it's same reason why planet-sized demonic gods can even exist in the first place. Pure Rule of Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    Ok let's take a shot.

    We don't know exactly how much of Azeroth was covered by Sargeras's mist. From the images and cinematic it's hard to tell. Also, he wasn't there for hours. As you go through Antorus you can see the mist traveling to Azeroth. He was only there for the time it took us to fight Argus.
    So like 5 minutes for a good guild, 45 minutes for an LFR group? /s

    If the Legion showed up to Zandalar then yes they knew, which we know it did cause theres a Shivara there
    This part; there's a Tehd and Marius encounter just outside of Dazar'alor in Zuldazar.

    also didn't they say Jaina was fighting the Legion on her own.
    And if she was the outside defender of Kul'Tiras then it would explain her very conspicuous absence throughout all of Legion.

    Overall it makes quite a bit of sense. There was at least a scouting mission in Zuldazar and Kul'Tiras by the Legion which we can assume judging by the two above things, and Sargeras didn't really have a whole lot of time to do his thing with Azeroth in general. His long-term goal was her corruption and he just went for a sudden Plan B when he realized that a group of 10-30 random ass mortal heroes dunked on Argus and he forgot to take out an insurance policy on the thing making all his armies respawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    You would think there would have been huge heatwaves from the sheer existence of Sargeras enveloping the planet, pulsing fel energy, and everything dying. He had the entire planet covered in his mist. Did people have asthma problems? Did the sky turn dark and everyone was losing their shit? What happened? Did the Zandalari not know the legion invaded the world? Did the legion ignore them? Did Kul'tiras not get hit by the legion? why? Lady Ashvane says "Where were you when our sons and daughters died on kalimdor".. um excuse me?? Where the fuck were YOU when the legion was destroying our world? Like seriously? If there was a world ending threat at least have the characters reference it or be scarred by the experience or something. The only thing Sargeras did while he literally had our world in his grip for the whole time we were assaulting his base was drop his sword before he got beamed out? He didn't even destroy all life on the surface?? Like wtf.. If you are going to use the most powerful being in the existence of the universe don't have him sitting in a planets atmosphere for hours/days without doing anything. Sargeras could have been approaching azeroth and got beamed out when he was about to reach it.. But why have him literally sitting there for hours and nothing meaningful actually happens during that time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    "Stop looking for logic in a game that (used to) mail(s) you dragons."
    That's great but ..... this is a LORE forum. if the logic of the lore is all screwed up and we shouldn't care about it, we might as well close the lore forum.
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