EU Punishes Hungary for its anti immgration policy

[Mafic]

You really don't see the contridiction do you?

Western Europe and the US has become successful because of the liberal policies since that started pre WW2 but really solidified after WW2 because the horrors of what the right-wing brought. So when your talking about repeating mistakes because of ignorance then you really should look at the eastern countries.

Also the 2e contradiction is obviously the economical successes the eastern countries enjoyed since trying to join the EU, the policies they had to implement to become developed enough to join the EU (even if some fudge the numbers). How many Eastern countries can say that pre EU in those 10 years since the fall that they where better off? If I had to guess based on the number of immigrants we have in the Netherlands my educated guess is non-existent.

Eastern Europe pre WWII was the play ground for Western Europe for their own personal squabbles/wars/conflicts. Comparing Western Europe progression to Eastern Europe on the same level seems to ignore how Western and Eastern Europe diverged well before WWII and post WWII/Cold War era.

Also I argue Eastern European nations have harmed themselves more to conform to standards to join EU. For example, Greece should have never joined and their economy would be more diversified as a result.

[ati87]

Well Western European nations should just let Eastern Europeans chart their own course for better or worse. Over time neither side is going to change their view on immigration, refugees and economic migrants. This is because I do not think it is a religious component tied into Eastern European mindset of wanting to preserve their way of life. And I do not think even an economic component is part of preserving their way of life.

Well then the solution is to get the fuck out of the EU and while they are at it maybe give back the money because those buildings and roads would have never been build if it wasn't for the EU.

I've seen Bulgaria when there roads where a danger to everything that had 4 wheels, I've seen areas in Poland that didn't receive most of the EU money (every city except Krakow and Warschau). These countries need the EU more then we need them.

[Mafic]

Well then the solution is to get the fuck out of the EU and while they are at it maybe give back the money because those buildings and roads would have never been build if it wasn't for the EU.

I've seen Bulgaria when there roads where a danger to everything that had 4 wheels, I've seen areas in Poland that didn't receive most of the EU money (every city except Krakow and Warschau). These countries need the EU more then we need them.

Maybe it would be the best as they would look inward for solutions. I think Western and Eastern Europe should still cooperate for economic development. But attaching moral and ethical standards as necessary strings tied into further economic development will lead to resentment.

Ask any German tax payer if they like the idea of bailing out Greece and the answer is obvious and clear.

[Acidbaron]

It isn't fictional it is a real.

Eastern Europeans understand what is stake. Western Europeans are ignorant of how history repeats itself.

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People also focus too much on the religious component.

It is the practical components of how people view society should be built. The west and east differ greatly on this.

Also, Eastern Europeans tend to have an "us vs world' mentality forged by years of conflict from eastern invaders and invasions from western European nations.

The religious part is a key component on the us vs them mentality. The criminality comes second, since if that was the key issue the eastern nations are just as little developed as the middle eastern in the eyes of a westerner.

[Mafic]

The religious part is a key component on the us vs them mentality. The criminality comes second, since if that was the key issue the eastern nations are just as little developed as the middle eastern in the eyes of a westerner.

I respectfully disagree.

A Polish Catholic isn't going to see eye to eye with a Catholic Spaniard because their world views are miles apart. Also, Eastern Europe still is superior than most Middle east countries in terms of infrastructure. Most of the infrastructure improvements in the middle east are funded by the rich so they can have personal play grounds.

[JohnBrown1917]

Maybe it would be the best as they would look inward for solutions. I think Western and Eastern Europe should still cooperate for economic development. But attaching moral and ethical standards as necessary strings tied into further economic development will lead to resentment.

Ask any German tax payer if they like the idea of bailing out Greece and the answer is obvious and clear.

If they are heavy authoritarian governments that censor everything left and right they are a bad fit for the EU and should never have joined.


End off.

[Mafic]

If they are heavy authoritarian governments that censor everything left and right they are a bad fit for the EU and should never have joined.


End off.

Well then it is settled!

Let the split of EU begin!

[ati87]

I respectfully disagree.

A Polish Catholic isn't going to see eye to eye with a Catholic Spaniard because their world views are miles apart. Also, Eastern Europe still is superior than most Middle east countries in terms of infrastructure. Most of the infrastructure improvements in the middle east are funded by the rich so they can have personal play grounds.

And most of the infrastructure of eastern europe is funded by the rich as well (western Europe). And seriously....most the Arab countries are probably better off then any eastern European.

And also you really don't address the contradiction but you do keep on using that as a argument.

[Acidbaron]

Well then it is settled!

Let the split of EU begin!

Another similarity between easterners and middle easterners.

[Mafic]

And most of the infrastructure of eastern europe is funded by the rich as well (western Europe). And seriously....most the Arab countries are probably better off then any eastern European.

And also you really don't address the contradiction but you do keep on using that as a argument.

What contradiction?

European nations want to preserve their way of life. If they have to sacrifice their personal moral and ethical grounds for further economic support I do not see EU economic cooperation between west and east Europe continuing.

If Arab countries were better off then you wouldn't see so many refugees, economic migrants, etc. Many of the economic migrants and refuges that do not make it to the more wealthier European nations still choose to stay in poorer eastern European nations than go back. The choice of what is better is clear.

[Acidbaron]

And most of the infrastructure of eastern europe is funded by the rich as well (western Europe). And seriously....most the Arab countries are probably better off then any eastern European.

And also you really don't address the contradiction but you do keep on using that as a argument.

Something they gladly forget because that would actually mean not biting the hand that feeds them.

[ati87]

What contradiction?

European nations want to preserve their way of life. If they have to sacrifice their personal moral and ethical grounds for further economic support I do not see EU economic cooperation between west and east Europe continuing.

If Arab countries were better off then you wouldn't see so many refugees, economic migrants, etc. Many of the economic migrants and refuges that do not make it to the more wealthier European nations still choose to stay in poorer eastern European nations than go back. The choice of what is better is clear.

already addressed your contradiction so won't do it twice.

And the fact that you can't google arabic countries to figure out the list yourself just tells me that your either trolling, your 12 year old or just not that smart.

[Mafic]

Another similarity between easterners and middle easterners.

Given their near vicinity near eastern cultures it is not surprising that eastern Europeans have adopted similarities.

[Slant]

Also I argue Eastern European nations have harmed themselves more to conform to standards to join EU. For example, Greece should have never joined and their economy would be more diversified as a result.

Greece is not part of those "Eastern European" countries. So they are not the best example.

[Trassk]

Viktor Orban's government is accused of silencing media, targeting NGOs and removing independent judges.
OP is fake news, veering into conspiracy theory.

And your part of the social justice new world order that would force all countries to open their borders for mass, uncontrolled migration to the point of destroying said countries identity, all for your 'progression points'.

[Slant]

And your part of the social justice new world order that would force all countries to open their borders for mass, uncontrolled migration to the point of destroying said countries identity, all for your 'progression points'.

That phrase there, typical propaganda piece, says more about your post than you think.

[Mafic]

Something they gladly forget because that would actually mean not biting the hand that feeds them.

Wait...wait a minute.

do you believe western Europe should impose their own ethics and morals on eastern Europeans contingent upon further economic development is fair while economic migrants and refuges are not forced to conform to ethics and morals of western Europe and they receive funds regardless if they comply?

Do you not see how that stoke sentiment?

Also imagine if you are German tax payer bailing out not only eastern Europe but also having your tax money to go to economic refugees and migrants. Ouch.

[Acidbaron]

And your part of the social justice new world order that would force all countries to open their borders for mass, uncontrolled migration to the point of destroying said countries identity, all for your 'progression points'.

Orban is being hit by right and left parties. Even within his own faction of the Christian democrats the EU party that first came with the idea to open the borders and accept 2 million refugees.

That's right ORBANS EU PARTY. If you want to comment or polarize a topic at least inform yourself on it first, than again informed people don't seek the polarize a topic.

[Mafic]

Greece is not part of those "Eastern European" countries. So they are not the best example.

That isn't true.

Greeks do not share western European ideals as their core ideals more aligns with eastern European mindset. Greeks are welcoming of foreigners, but paradoxically are very xenophobic.

[JohnBrown1917]

Well then it is settled!

Let the split of EU begin!

2 countries leaving is hardly a split.