Brett Kavanaugh Should be Impeached

[petej0]

Good to see we have Trumpers in here wanting the entire left to die because someone in their party might have raped someone.

By the way, whats the big rush? I mean the Right had no problem keeping any Obama nomination off the SC for as long as possible, your telling me that can't wait this out now and double check to see that they are not putting a fucking rapist on the highest court in the land?

We have rapists, serial sexual harassers and racists already in congress, what does it matter? You can laugh and demean Trumpers all you want but the Democratic party is no better aiding and abetting this type of behavior.

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Sometimes you think movements like #MeToo fixed some of our sleeziest elements... then you see the sleezes in this thread, desperate to defend their team with all of their same old shit. Stay classy, conservatives.

See above...The Democrats dont hold a monopoly on being moral either.

[Grapemask]

We have rapists, serial sexual harassers and racists already in congress, what does it matter? You can laugh and demean Trumpers all you want but the Democratic party is no better aiding and abetting this type of behavior.

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See above...The Democrats dont hold a monopoly on being moral either.

Really? I distinctly recall nearly all of these people have been forced to leave their posts after allegations surfaced. Democrats, for example, recently forced a guy to resign for being too handsy in pictures.

[petej0]

Really? I distinctly recall nearly all of these people have been forced to leave their posts after allegations surfaced. Democrats, for example, recently forced a guy to resign for being too handsy in pictures.

Yea, and? AND? There still exists a secret fund to pay off accusers and keep it all from the public! It was created in the 90's and everyone who has served since knows about this secret fund. So all their fake outrage falls on deaf ears.

[Felya]

Yea, and? AND? There still exists a secret fund to pay off accusers and keep it all from the public! It was created in the 90's and everyone who has served since knows about this secret fund. So all their fake outrage falls on deaf ears.

There is a secret fund that the public doesn’t know about, but you do? How?

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We have rapists, serial sexual harassers and racists already in congress, what does it matter? You can laugh and demean Trumpers all you want but the Democratic party is no better aiding and abetting this type of behavior.

Not true... because of current invents... blatantly so...

[Breccia]

There is a secret fund that the public doesn’t know about, but you do? How?

I think he's talking about Trump fucking a porn star and having Cohen pay it off, which was illegal, and Cohen plead guilty.

[petej0]

There is a secret fund that the public doesn’t know about, but you do? How?

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Not true... because of current invents... blatantly so...

I think he's talking about Trump fucking a porn star and having Cohen pay it off, which was illegal, and Cohen plead guilty.

You can both demean and hand wave, but both parties are complicit. Which makes this show and all previous shows of outrage, fake.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sment-the-hill

Victims can’t even make a formal complaint for sexual harassment (or any other violation of the CAA) until three months have passed, including a 30-day period after enduring a mediation process with their harasser.

Even if victims get through the process and receive a settlement, that money comes not from their harasser’s office but from the Settlement and Awards Fund. Furthermore, no office is required to make those payments public, meaning that legislative staffers — including members of Congress — may have sexually harassed their colleagues and employees on the Hill, and done so with the knowledge that settlements to victims would stay secret.

Then again, you may just hand wave this because Vox is notoriously right wing.

[Felya]

You can both demean and hand wave, but both parties are complicit. Which makes this show and all previous shows of outrage, fake.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sment-the-hill

Uhm... this is not to pay off accusers, but settle cases. This is also in no way secret, even by the article it self. On top of that, why didn’t Trump wait a few month with his NDA, instead of paying his own 260k? Is Trump President? Did he have Mark Foley at one of his rallies? Both sides?

FYI: You are defending someone accused of sexual assault, by pretty much arguing that everyone does it. Do you understand why that is fucked up or should I explain?

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Then again, you may just hand wave this because Vox is notoriously right wing.

You are also not clairvoyant... you are the one handwaving, to ignore the accusation being discussed.

Edit: Side question... the Me Too movement that is driving the change described in the article... both sides?

[Grapemask]

You can both demean and hand wave, but both parties are complicit. Which makes this show and all previous shows of outrage, fake.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sment-the-hill



Then again, you may just hand wave this because Vox is notoriously right wing.

You seem to have forgotten the subtext of all of this: when the public finds out, we force the man to leave. Your suggestion that the public stop caring, because efforts exist to keep the public from knowing, because the public would force them to leave, is a paradox at best... and a handwave at absolutely all times and in all scenarios.

[petej0]

Uhm... this is not to pay off accusers, but settle cases. This is also in no way secret, even by the article it self. On top of that, why didn’t Trump wait a few month with his NDA, instead of paying his own 260k? Is Trump President? Did he have Mark Foley at one of his rallies? Both sides?

Pay off accusers, settle cases. You are really pulling hairs here. Its hush money, and its kept secret from the public and other members. It is meant to cover up the indiscretions of government employees which is why the "settlements" arent made public and why they are from a government fund and not from the acussers.

FYI: You are defending someone accused of sexual assault, by pretty much arguing that everyone does it. Do you understand why that is fucked up or should I explain?

I have said my piece of accusations against Kavanaugh. Basically, they are accusations that must be proved. Lets say he was innocent for a second, I dont know how he could defend himself against something that didnt happen 30 years ago. Now lets say he his guilty, I dont know how she can prove that it happened when it happened 30 years ago and all evidence is gone.

Edit: Side question... the Me Too movement that is driving the change described in the article... both sides?

A fucking woman is heading the charge to make the change. A fucking woman! What does that say that the a body of government made of mostly men wont do it themself?

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You seem to have forgotten the subtext of all of this: when the public finds out, we force the man to leave. Your suggestion that the public stop caring, because efforts exist to keep the public from knowing, because the public would force them to leave, is a paradox at best... and a handwave at absolutely all times and in all scenarios.

And this is designed to keep the public from finding out. I dont suggest the public stop caring, I suggest the public stop looking at certain members of our government as holier than thou people when both sides have proved they are not.

[Daelak]

What I dont get is why Feinstein waited until the very last minute to bring up this allegation, when she had the letter in her hands for over 6 weeks? It reeks of partisan hackery

The accuser should be heard, but this is all very unusual timing.

Because the accuser told her not to tell anyone until she wanted to go public.

[Felya]

Pay off accusers, settle cases. You are really pulling hairs here. Its hush money, and its kept secret from the public and other members. It is meant to cover up the indiscretions of government employees which is why the "settlements" arent made public.

I am? There is a difference between someone like Trump, settling out of court on him being accused of discrimination and someone like Trump, paying off women he cheated with to keep quiet.

I have said my piece of accusations against Kavanaugh. Basically, they are accusations that must be proved. Lets say he was innocent for a second, I dont know how he could defend himself against something that didnt happen 30 years ago. Now lets say he his guilty, I dont know how she can prove that it happened when it happened 30 years ago and all evidence is gone.

The case isn’t going to court, but is entirely based on public opinion. She has given the account to multiple people, including her therapist and a polygraph test. Since there is no pay off that will happen, in any secret fund, your deflections and rhetoric is you... the individual... choosing to believe the accused, instead of the accuser. You didn’t even need a penny...

A fucking woman is heading the charge to make the change. A fucking woman! What does that say that the a body of government made of mostly men wont do it themself?

Because... well... public opinion doesn’t hold them accountable, instead bitches about both sides and secret conspiracy theories. That’s why “fucking woman”...

And this is designed to keep the public from finding out. I dont suggest the public stop caring, I suggest the public stop looking at certain members of our government as holier than thou people when both sides have proved they are not.

Then why are you talking about any politician, other than the topic? Why are you bringing up secret funds and talking about both sides, if you have an issue with preferential treatment? You have an accusation here... are you waiting for a “fucking woman”?

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Because the accuser told her not to tell anyone until she wanted to go public.

She didn’t want it to go public, unless there was no other option to keep him from being a Supreme Court Justice for the rest of her and likely most of our lives. She did not want this to be public, but felt it was worth the sacrifice. The timing seems opportunist, because she did not want to make the sacrifice until the last minute, when all other options are exhausted. I don’t understand why people are confused.

[Daelak]

She didn’t want it to go public, unless there was no other option to keep him from being a Supreme Court Justice for the rest of her and likely most of our lives. She did not want this to be public, but felt it was worth the sacrifice. The timing seems opportunist, because she did not want to make the sacrifice until the last minute, when all other options are exhausted. I don’t understand why people are confused.

She is sacrificing the privacy of her family and herself; there is no way this is an easy route to take. As for the legitimacy of her account, it's pretty straightforward game theory here. What upside is there for her personally to fabricate such a specific lie and carry it with her for years (2012 therapist account) versus Kavanaugh's downside to lie to get a lifetime appointment?

[Felya]

She is sacrificing the privacy of her family and herself; there is no way this is an easy route to take. As for the legitimacy of her account, it's pretty straightforward game theory here. What upside is there for her personally to fabricate such a specific lie and carry it with her for years (2012 therapist account) versus Kavanaugh's downside to lie to get a lifetime appointment?

Fox News just released her parents foreclosure records:

Brett Kavanaugh's mother is judge who dismissed a foreclosure action against accuser Ford's parents
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...s-parents.html

It’s currently one of the 4 stories under the top header of Kavanaugh on Foxnews.com. Not a joke...

[Daelak]

Fox News just released her parents foreclosure records:

Brett Kavanaugh's mother is judge who dismissed a foreclosure action against accuser Ford's parents
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...s-parents.html

Yes, their pro-bono work for conservatism is pretty shitty.

[petej0]

I am? There is a difference between someone like Trump, settling out of court on him being accused of discrimination and someone like Trump, paying off women he cheated with to keep quiet.

No, there is no difference. It is both hush money. In one instance its hush money so the public doesnt find out. In the other its hush money so the wife doesnt find out. I guess, you could say, one is to protect your family the other is to protect your career.

The case isn’t going to court, but is entirely based on public opinion. She has given the account to multiple people, including her therapist and a polygraph test. Since there is no pay off that will happen, in any secret fund, your deflections and rhetoric is you... the individual... choosing to believe the accused, instead of the accuser. You didn’t even need a penny...

Polygraph is inadmissible in court for a good reason.

No, I believe we have a standard of innocent until proven guilty. If it wont go to court or she refuses to bring charges how can we properly determine what really happened? I am not calling her a liar but it is easy to accuse someone just ask Aziz Ansari.

Every woman should have their time to speak their case, but the default position is not to believe every woman before the evidence is heard. I dont go around believing claims without evidence, which is why I am an atheist.

Because... well... public opinion doesn’t hold them accountable, instead bitches about both sides and secret conspiracy theories. That’s why “fucking woman”...

I dont even know what you are talking about.

Then why are you talking about any politician, other than the topic? Why are you bringing up secret funds and talking about both sides, if you have an issue with preferential treatment? You have an accusation here... are you waiting for a “fucking woman”?

Again, I dont even know what you are talking about. You have people like Feinstien holding a letter from a sex assault victim, and claiming (along with others) that someone is deemed not fit to serve in government because of this. On the other hand they have knowledge of a fund that settles with victims (in private) to protect members serving in Government. Can you see how that is just a tad bit disingenuous?

[cubby]

Well, Kavanaugh is even more interesting than that when you look into everything.

From what I was read, Justice Kennedy stepped down suggesting to Trump that he be his replacement while Trump and Kennedy's son was discovered to have a business relationship going through a Russian bank. Or at least I THINK I recall hearing something about that.

That would make Kavanaugh also an attempt of Kennedy to protect his own son by protecting Trump potentially. Which expands that net that much wider.


Please correct me if I am wrong on this because my memory isn't 100% sure on this one.

You are 100% correct on that issue. I'm sure the deplorables will ignore it completely. Hopefully Mueller will get to it at some point.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...isconduct.html

Yeah but like...damn man, laying the groundwork back in 2012 during a therapy session with her husband? That's why I'm far more inclined to believe her than any random allegation - she's got records of discussing this that long predate her letter to Feinstein or any public discussion. That alone lends a huge amount of credibility to her accusation.

These are the beginning pieces of a supreme court nominee barely being found out to be a rapist just prior to being confirmed. Fucking GOP.

#deplorable45

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I am sure the dems would have found something in that persons past. When all else fails just make shit up, like they did with Clarence Thomas, saying he “doesn’t think like a black”, “emotionally white”

The shit show of confirmation is a disgusting display from both sides of what is wrong with politics and why you wont get good quality people in government. They are all scum, so why should I be shocked when they dig up event where they were scum in the past?

No, it's not. The fucking GOP put up a rapist for SCOTUS. How can you just keep saying, so ignorantly, "both sides"?

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Drudge linked to a no-byline blog post that had all sorts of information about Christine Ford except it was the wrong Christine Ford and now she's getting harassed. Erick Erickson is peddling a story that this is a revenge plot against Kavanaugh's mother, also a judge, who presided over a foreclosure case involving Ford's parents except once you read the court documents you see that Mother Kavanaugh ruled in favor of the Fords.

Conservatism is nothing more than stupidity in service of evil.

Agreed. And the idiots who continue to deplorably claim "both sides" should be taken out and shot. They are one of the real problems of this country.

[Machismo]

Regardless of how this all turns out, she seems credible. There are records of her discussing this years ago, and Kavanaugh is quickly becoming radioactive. I don't hold any faith in polygraphs, but a lot of people do. She passed one, and is willing to testify in public. This is not Anita Hill, this is an actual attempted rape/assault. Looking back, after more has come to light about Clarence Thomas' proclivities, Anita Hill is also more credible. The GOP may try to push him through, but it could cost them in two months. They are in a shitty spot, because it will be very hard to get another candidate though in time, without them looking absolutely desperate. The Democrats are going to want to drag this out, and the GOP either has to table Kavanaugh and go for someone else... or suffer through the weeks of terrible press.

[cubby]

If it weren't for what Mitch the Bitch did with Obama's nomination, I would say this is too partisan with the timing, but after we got an illegitimate justice from the GOP being Derelict of Duty for a year and refusing to hear the nomination during their presidency and then throwing the nomination out to skip over them and then only to have that illegitimate justice be the tie breaking vote that ruled that US workers have no right to due process against their employer. After that, they threw the norms and decorum out the window and their level of partisan BS should be matched and their fuck-ups to this nation be removed or delayed.\

But partisan or not, this should be looked into and honestly, Kavanaugh shouldn't be nominated due to issues that arose long before this one.

Also, as partisan as it sounds, if they invoked the McConnel rule to refuse to hear Garland, they should refuse to see Kavanaugh till after the elections, sticking to their own rule. They and try and make the distinction of a presidential election but that is irrelevant with the logic the used. It should be after the federal election to hear the will of the people. To do otherwise is both hypocritical and even more partisan.

Agreed. The GOP threw the rule book out the window. What Feinstein did was pure strategy, and it was done well, and with class.

[McCulloch]

No, it's not. The fucking GOP put up a rapist for SCOTUS. How can you just keep saying, so ignorantly, "both sides"?

It's an effort in intellectual laziness or bad faith. He either doesn't think about things deeply enough to realize there are fundamental differences in how shitty the two parties are or he's a bad actor and needs to both sides it to justify his support for the GOP.

[cubby]

Good to see we have Trumpers in here wanting the entire left to die because someone in their party might have raped someone.

By the way, whats the big rush? I mean the Right had no problem keeping any Obama nomination off the SC for as long as possible, your telling me that can't wait this out now and double check to see that they are not putting a fucking rapist on the highest court in the land?

Lol, exactly. The Trumpsters have shown their true colors. Pure party over country/morals. I find it beyond adorable that they are claiming false stories and long con and whatever else. Just like the dems did with the last two nominations, right? Oh, wait . . .

#deplorable45