Brett Kavanaugh Should be Impeached

[Dacien]

Normally, yes. But I am wondering if they aren't bothering as much during an administration where lying is like breathing and the supporters don't care anyways and to the majority it is preaching to the choir about problems that is in the entire administration.

It would be like when you have a superstar known for sleeping with everything that moves sleeping with another child star turned porn star or something. If it was a normal person it would be huge, but to someone or a group already known for that stuff, it just turns into another "Meh".

There might be something to that, in a way. Even if they can argue perjury happened in some way, it won't really make the intended splash, true or not. Since everything is viewed through a partisan lens these days, it would get lost in the mire of partisan bickering and back-and-forth in the minds of the public. So maybe they felt it just wasn't worthy enough to pursue. Sexual abuse allegations though, that's going to be taken seriously. That's going to make a splash. Yet even that is showing to be interpreted along partisan lines, even though we don't have enough information yet.

I honestly haven't looked too deeply into the perjury claims; I usually wait until something becomes a serious issue before I look into these things. But part of me also feels like Democratic opponents of Kavanaugh in the Senate wouldn't hold back if they had anything they could throw at him, so I dunno. Maybe they're keeping it in their back pocket if this allegation by Ford falls through. This is politics, after all.

[Fugus]

There might be something to that, in a way. Even if they can argue perjury happened in some way, it won't really make the intended splash, true or not. Since everything is viewed through a partisan lens these days, it would get lost in the mire of partisan bickering and back-and-forth in the minds of the public. So maybe they felt it just wasn't worthy enough to pursue. I honestly haven't looked too deeply into the perjury claims; I usually wait until something becomes a serious issue before I look into these things. But part of me also feels like Democratic opponents of Kavanaugh in the Senate wouldn't hold back if they had anything they could throw at him, so I dunno. Maybe they're keeping it in their back pocket if this allegation by Ford falls through. This is politics, after all.

For me, the perjury claims seem entirely credible and honestly probable. The GOP went as far as trying to label the proof as committee confidential from what I know which basically shows proof that even they knew it and were trying to hide it most likely just like they managed to come up with 65 women to vouch for him in high school supposedly within days to support him about an event that just happened to have supposedly happened in that same time after decades when he even went to an all boys-school. Unless they were a high school superstar, most people generally won't be able to find 65 girls who can vouch for them decades later, especially in an all boys school and only given 4 days or less to find them.

But it is one of those things where his supporters are fact proof on just about anything they don't like and call it all fake news and believe him unquestionably even when proven wrong with his own words where they default to "What he meant was..." or some other crap.

While the rest of us who already pay attention, it is just more shit for the pile that the republicans know have already tainted our view of them and are just going whole hog on this.

It is like watching a group of death row inmates on a riot, they know they are dead anyways so they are just pushing for as much fun and doing as much damage as they can while they can because they know that whether the cross the line by an inch or a mile, their own personal consequences won't change much and they won't be good either way. Most they can do is hope to be so bad that it screws up the consequences as well.

[announced]

Where to begin with this...

1. The whole "Brett's mother foreclosed on her" is false.

2. Matt Judge's denial isn't proof she's lying.

3. What happened was she told Diane Feinstein about it, and asked that she not divulge it. Then it leaked to the media, and that's when she decided to come forward.

4. Comparing Dr. Ford to Anita Hill doesn't make you look good. You realize this, right?

5. The problem with "she said he said x2" is that one he is a known sex creep, and the other has already perjured himself 5 times.

6. Yes, his life will be ruined by *squint* him not being one of the most powerful people in the country and having to remain as a federal judge until the day he dies. How tragic.

7. We have evidence. Her testimony is evidence.

i'll give you 1 and 2.
3. how did it leak to the media exactly? it couldnt be the fact that they are desperate to smear republicans for any reason and they dont actually give a shit if Kavanaugh is guilty as long as they regain some seats until they can deny the Supreme court seat till 2020. thats why dems made Stormy a hero, plus her creepy porn lawyer, and they offer to pay for anything that might look bad for the Trump campaign.

4. Anita ford had a way more credible story and even that was garbage. this is more like a badly written draft that a 4th grader would fail. there are too many inconsistensies, vague statements, we dont know what year/what time/ how many people were there/ whos house/ who were the other two people/ are they even still alive?/ how did they get home/ how did they arrive/

5/ ive seen no evidence that Kavanaugh is a known sex creep, so far this seems like the only incident in over 50 years, but sure lets say hes the next Weinstein.

6. he wont be a judge if they continue to push this, no court would allow an alleged sexual harasser to continue working.

7. we have yet to see her testimony.

That graph.... no wonder some republicans are getting worried about the political consequences of placing an attempted rapist onto the SCOTUS. I don't think it'll stop them though. They made a known sexual assaulter president. They just failed at placing a pedophile who preyed on teenage girls onto the senate.

It's pretty obvious they are too far gone into degeneracy and depravity to change their ways, so they'll seat an attempted rapist onto SCOTUS without a doubt. It'll be up to those of us who still have morals, both men and women, to vote the degenerates out so we can start to undo the damage.

the fact that you are already calling the accused guilty without a trial really shows your true colours. You've convicted a man in the court of public opinion based on almost zero evidence. The FBI has refused to investigate this case due to how vague it is, and that show tell you something already.

Polygraphs are a joke, they are never used in court due to their inaccuracy. - proof - an active soviet spy beat the polygraph consistently while spying for the russians. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...-spy-cia-agent

[Machismo]

I am not saying it can't be beaten, or it can't be wrong. I am just saying that anybody that want to join the FBI and CIA have to pass a polygraph test. Therefore, we should do the same for somebody applying to a lifetime position as a member of the highest court in the US.

Personally, I'd get rid of polygraphs, and have something a bit more reliable. All they test is physiological stress and changes when answering a question. An analytical person can easily fail one, just by thinking about a question before answering it.

[Bodakane]

I just wish the right had the balls to admit that it doesn't matter to them if it is true or not.

In fact, I think the majority of the right thinks if it is true that's it not really a big deal.

[Machismo]

Just out of curiosity, what would you replace it with?

Better investigations, and actual legwork. Sure, it can catch people whoa re telling lies, but they often catch nervous people who are telling the truth.

[Felya]

Just out of curiosity, what would you replace it with?

The Larry David staredown:

[Grapemask]

the fact that you are already calling the accused guilty without a trial really shows your true colours. You've convicted a man in the court of public opinion based on almost zero evidence. The FBI has refused to investigate this case due to how vague it is, and that show tell you something already.

Polygraphs are a joke, they are never used in court due to their inaccuracy. - proof - an active soviet spy beat the polygraph consistently while spying for the russians. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...-spy-cia-agent

The FBI hasn't refused to investigate because of vagueness. This mostly shows which parts of the internet you get your news and opinions from, especially when you talk about vagueness: this comes from a very particular brand of spin. The FBI simply did not do an investigation because they were not required to do more than a simple background check; they passed their information to the White House, and the White House elected not to ask for an investigation. The FBI has said nothing that would indicate they would refuse to investigate this or that they are disinterested in doing so.

But on the subject of "you've already found him guilty," you're doing the same to the alleged victim, right down to your smear campaign. The right doesn't have to have despicable people with despicable tactics, so I'm not sure why everyone on the right feels the need to conform to these traits.

Although I would be absolutely shocked if Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed. Even if a video came out of him admitting to rape, even if the perjury was found absolutely undeniably so, even if far, far worse things come out. The right will feign disgust for a couple days, rationalize it, and then push him through because "at least he's not a liberal."

Republicans know the math. They can't afford to let this one go and hunt for a new Supreme Court nominee. There's a very real chance of Republicans losing the Senate in November, and there simply isn't enough time to go through the process again. They'll take Kavanaugh even if he prefers to go by Dexter.

[Felya]

Better investigations, and actual legwork. Sure, it can catch people whoa re telling lies, but they often catch nervous people who are telling the truth.

They are effective in determining if a person believes what they are saying. If they get nervous on related questions, but are not nervous when the base questions are asked... that is actually implying a lie.

[Machismo]

They are effective in determining if a person believes what they are saying. If they get nervous on related questions, but are not nervous when the base questions are asked... that is actually implying a lie.

But they are not that effective, if the person taking it suffers from cognitive dissonance, or is analytical in nature. Both of those lead to a high frequency of false findings. People can easily convince themselves to believe a lie, look at Trump. People can also always want to analyze and question the truth.

[Felya]

But they are not that effective, if the person taking it suffers from cognitive dissonance, or is analytical in nature. Both of those lead to a high frequency of false findings. People can easily convince themselves to believe a lie, look at Trump. People can also always want to analyze and question the truth.

Yes, that means it’s effective in determining if people believe what they are saying. Convincing your self of a lie or cognitive dissonance might explain why they believe it, but they still do.

[Machismo]

Yes, that means it’s effective in determining if people believe what they are saying. Convincing your self of a lie or cognitive dissonance might explain why they believe it, but they still do.

Or questioning the truth, making it a very mediocre tool. And that's not even getting into the other means to get past them, either via drugs, or altering your own body during the test.

[Smitzelplix]

i'll give you 1 and 2.
3. how did it leak to the media exactly? it couldnt be the fact that they are desperate to smear republicans for any reason and they dont actually give a shit if Kavanaugh is guilty as long as they regain some seats until they can deny the Supreme court seat till 2020.

Why shouldn't the Democrats keep the Supreme Court seat vacant until 2020? There were those in the GOP who were planning on doing just that if Hillary would have won.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-supreme-court

[Felya]

Or questioning the truth, making it a very mediocre tool. And that's not even getting into the other means to get past them, either via drugs, or altering your own body during the test.

Yes, that’s why it’s not admissible in court. Court doesn’t really care if you believe you committed the crime or not. The point of court is not to convince the persecuted, that they are guilty. That part is wholly irrelevant... but... court of public opinion... there it does have merit, because at least not knowingly lying, should have an impact on an opinion.

People discussing validity of this in court, are discussing a red herring... it’s not saying that Kavanaugh 100% did that shit... it’s simply saying that it’s not an accusation pulled out of thin air. There are a lot of ways she can believe he did it, while it also didn’t happen. But, this confirms she believes what she is saying and isn’t just a rando off the street.

[Machismo]

Yes, that’s why it’s not admissible in court. Court doesn’t really care if you believe you committed the crime or not. The point of court is not to convince the persecuted, that they are guilty. That part is wholly irrelevant... but... court of public opinion... there it does have merit, because at least not knowingly lying, should have an impact on an opinion.

People discussing validity of this in court, are discussing a red herring... it’s not saying that Kavanaugh 100% did that shit... it’s simply saying that it’s not an accusation pulled out of thin air. There are a lot of ways she can believe he did it, while it also didn’t happen. But, this confirms she believes what she is saying and isn’t just a rando off the street.

It does have some merit, but since I know people who knowingly lied on them, and still passed, I don't give them much notice.

[Mormolyce]

And that is an interesting side note. If Impeachment is every available, the Dems could run the table on a number of judges. The GOP was their usual idiotic self in putting this clown up for nomination.

Did you see in Kavanaugh's Appellate confirmation that it took years to sit him, and only then after heavy negotiations between Dems/GOP because of how partisan K was/is?

Frankly, I think that as soon as they have the numbers they'll impeach at least one or two SC Justices. They have sufficient pretext.

Then when the Republicans are in power they'll start impeaching justices on no pretext whatsoever.

Eventually people will have to realise that the system for appointing SC judges is completely fucked.

Even if that doesn't wind up happening, expect to see court packing or other abuses of the system. The justice system is irrefutably a partisan catspaw.

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4. Comparing Dr. Ford to Anita Hill doesn't make you look good. You realize this, right?

Realising things is contraindicated by his political persuasion lel.

[cubby]

*Shrugs* They held up Obama's nominee for over a year. If this goes past the mid-terms, and the Dems pull of a miracle upset, I could see them holding the seat open until after 2020.

Dare to dream. That would be phenomenal. However, if the Dems pull it off, wouldn't McConnell be able to confirm before the new Congress is sat in Jan?

[Deletedaccount1]

I just wish the right had the balls to admit that it doesn't matter to them if it is true or not.

In fact, I think the majority of the right thinks if it is true that's it not really a big deal.

Andrew Klavan said on his podcast that he doesn't care if it is true or not because drunk high school students make mistakes.

So I want to talk about what if this 53 year-old man of unimpeachable character, what if one night in high school when he was 17, he got drunk and felt up a high school girl who was also drunk. I don't care. I don't care. I don't give one rat's hair about that. I do not care if -- now, I don't care if he were a left-winger. If he was as left as left can be, if he used the Constitution for toilet paper, I would want him turned down from the Supreme Court for that. But for this, no freaking way. I don't care. This is if it's true, which I don't think it is, I want to be very clear about this. If a man of unimpeachable character, right, this is a guy that everybody says is a great guy. The FBI has investigated him six times. Six times, nothing has come up. They pull this at the last minute after the hearings are over so he can't defend himself. He has to come back to defend himself. So the press has a chance to go through the whole weekend just absolutely attacking him.

[Deletedaccount1]

BTW, to those that questioned Prof. Ford reluctance to come forward. Here is a good reason.

She can thank Feinstein for that. They might have just nominated someone else if this happened in July.

[cubby]

Andrew Klavan said on his podcast that he doesn't care if it is true or not because drunk high school students make mistakes.

Deplorables continue to lower the bar. What a shock. This nightmare of a shitshow is unlikely to ever end.

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She can thank Feinstein for that. They might have just nominated someone else if this happened in July.

No, she can thank the neo-con idiots who are actually setting up website smear campaigns. And people wonder why women are reluctant to come forward.

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It really depends on how this Kavanaugh situation plays out.

They are either going to ram him through or he'll be forced to withdraw. If he withdraws, how fast can they get someone else up and running. They have to be vetting their second choice already. Could they legit do it between Mid-terms and Next Session? I'm pretty sure McConnell thinks they can.

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Why shouldn't the Democrats keep the Supreme Court seat vacant until 2020? There were those in the GOP who were planning on doing just that if Hillary would have won.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-supreme-court

If this plays out well, and a small miracle happens, I really hope the Dems do keep it open until 2021 (not 2020).