Malfurion and Druidism's Dark Side

[vertigo12]

In the real world, necromancy is indeed a method of divination. Practicioners of that kind of magic pretend that they can communicate with the dead to learn secret knowledge, especially the future. It is only in games that it gained the meaning of the black arts about raising the dead, twisting spirits, animate the dead in a Frankenstein manner. In Warcraft, you never see or hear the term "necromancy" applied to divination or simply talking with spirits, but always to the black arts of undeath. As you said yourself, "people playing WoW are only seeing just one section of the huge scope of necromancy." That's because for WoW, it's the only side that counts. What you think about necromancy doesn't. Heck, the traditionnal meaning of necromancy (divination) does not count in this game.

It exist. Voodooism with Trolls. Loa of death and Bwonsamdi. Rastakhan making a death pact with the loa of death. Highmountain Spiritwalkers. Astral Shift. Ethereal form. Banish. Night elves usig wisps as workers. Malfurion using wisp , the power of the dead, to quell the fires of fel and chaos in Archimonde.Uther speaking with Jaina and Sylvanas in iCC. Orc ancestors talking to Kilrogg and other shaman.You interacting with Uuna.
King Terenas ressurecting you to finish the Lich King in his Frozen Throne.
The ethereal tree from Emerald realm ressurecting you after Argus death cleaves you with the nature power of Eonar. Dragonflames keeping Bolvar alive.Hearthsbane covenand Waycrest Manor. Gorak tul and Thros. Spirit healer ressurecting you in ghost realm. Warlock's soul stone. Revive.Army of the Dead. N'zoth's cheat death package deal for Azshara and turning her and people to Nagas.

We have learned that SYLVANAS can withstand the effect of wisp wall and was able to bear it's effect, perhaps there would be connection of her being undead.

It's just not too obvious with the huge label on the forehead.
"Fucking retard. I AM NECROMANCY."

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I don't think he necessarily controlled them, he called on them for aid and maybe coerced them into forming a wall but the moment the horde started mucking about and destroying the forest elsewhere the wall dissipated as wisps broke off to try and fix shit elsewhere, this obviously wouldn't happen if he controlled since they'd have to respond to his command and not rush off to try and do wispy stuff elsewhere.

Do you mean like.....Ion and BfA??? He supposedly has control but you know, everything doesn't always go "your" way. Like I've said above there is a form of control but not absolute one.

As a leader you assume in position of a director. Someone will follow your orders or vision.

[Frontenac]

It exist. Voodooism with Trolls. Loa of death and Bwonsamdi. Rastakhan making a death pact with the loa of death.

Not necromancy.

Highmountain Spiritwalkers. Astral Shift. Ethereal form.

Not necromancy and does not even involve death.

Banish.

Not necromancy. Demons are not dead beings.

Night elves usig wisps as workers. Malfurion using wisp , the power of the dead, to quell the fires of fel and chaos in Archimonde.

Not necromancy. Won't explain again, read all the other posts from several people on this thread.

Uther speaking with Jaina and Sylvanas in iCC.

Well, it involves Frostmourne and the Lich King, what do you expect? Neither Jaina nor Sylvanas did anything close to necromancy in that case.

Orc ancestors talking to Kilrogg and other shaman.

This can be considered divination, but is linked to shamanism rather than necromancy in game and in texts.

You interacting with Uuna.

You don't even do anything, she's just linked to the doll. How can it be necromancy?

King Terenas ressurecting you to finish the Lich King in his Frozen Throne.

Resurrecting a living being is not necromancy in either definition.

The ethereal tree from Emerald realm ressurecting you after Argus death cleaves you with the nature power of Eonar.

Our spirits are not twisted and we return to our bodies, breathing and with our hearts pumping blood. Not necromancy.

Dragonflames keeping Bolvar alive.

Keeping someone alive is not necromancy.

Hearthsbane coven and Waycrest Manor. Gorak tul and Thros.

Yes they do use necromancy. They twist spirits and raise undead. Which is exactly what necromancy is by WoW's definition.

Spirit healer ressurecting you in ghost realm.

No.

Warlock's soul stone. Revive.

No. No one is turned undead in the process.

Army of the Dead.

Yes, of course. Death Knights raise undead. That's necromancy, as defined by WoW.

N'zoth's cheat death package deal for Azshara and turning her and people to Nagas.

No. No. NO! This is transformation and corruption. Azshara never died, she was transformed into a creature able to breath in water. Nothing to do with necromancy.

We have learned that SYLVANAS can withstand the effect of wisp wall and was able to bear it's effect, perhaps there would be connection of her being undead.

If that's so, than why her undead army did not cross the wall?

It's just not too obvious with the huge label on the forehead.
"Fucking retard. I AM NECROMANCY."

No, it's too obvious you don't even know what words mean...

[vertigo12]

Not necromancy.



Not necromancy and does not even involve death.



Not necromancy. Demons are not dead beings.



Not necromancy. Won't explain again, read all the other posts from several people on this thread.



Well, it involves Frostmourne and the Lich King, what do you expect? Neither Jaina nor Sylvanas did anything close to necromancy in that case.



This can be considered divination, but is linked to shamanism rather than necromancy in game and in texts.



You don't even do anything, she's just linked to the doll. How can it be necromancy?



Resurrecting a living being is not necromancy in either definition.



Our spirits are not twisted and we return to our bodies, breathing and with our hearts pumping blood. Not necromancy.



Keeping someone alive is not necromancy.



Yes they do use necromancy. They twist spirits and raise undead. Which is exactly what necromancy is by WoW's definition.



No.



No. No one is turned undead in the process.



Yes, of course. Death Knights raise undead. That's necromancy, as defined by WoW.



No. No. NO! This is transformation and corruption. Azshara never died, she was transformed into a creature able to breath in water. Nothing to do with necromancy.



If that's so, than why her undead army did not cross the wall?



No, it's too obvious you don't even know what words mean...

You're pretty much stuck up with being undead only equates to necromancy. Or even necromancy = Forsaken, Scourge, zombies, liches..

Dealing with spirits is within the scope of Necromancy. You need to expound your vocabulary since it's too rigid.

You're unfamiliar with evocation, conjuration, divination align spells under necromancy. Study about the frameworks of Necromancy and learn about it as it would help you understand the intricacies of how it is diversified across all class.

Drain life, siphon life, Soul leech, soul shard, soul well, soulstone are warlock abilities that are necromantically aligned. Warlocks focuses on necromantic soul weaving.

Affliction Warlock plays the niche of a necromancer.
Demonology spells are intermediate spells which uses the life of your allies in exchange for bringing a demon soul to materialize. Some uses demon's healh or life to be used as protection,etc.

Death Knight's toolkit is more focused on necromantic reanimation.
DH also has access to necromantic abilities such as soul cleave, feast on the souls artifact trait, Spirit Bomb, Soul Barrier, Shattered Souls.

Necromancy also deals with using life,spirit or soul as resource a.k.a. you use life as payment. This is also included in necromancy.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Voodoo
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Spirit_walker
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Uuna%27s_Doll
Read more first so you won't appear clueless. I pity you wouldn't even pass a lore exam with how you answered things from above.

[Frontenac]

You're pretty much stuck up with being undead only equates to necromancy. Or even necromancy = Forsaken, Scourge, zombies, liches..

Dealing with spirits is within the scope of Necromancy. You need to expound your vocabulary since it's too rigid.

It's not too rigid, dammit, it's the definition of that effin game!

You're unfamiliar with evocation, conjuration, divination align spells under necromancy. Study about the frameworks of Necromancy and learn about it as it would help you understand the intricacies of how it is diversified across all class.

Drain life, siphon life, Soul leech, soul shard, soul well, soulstone are warlock abilities that are necromantically aligned. Warlocks focuses on necromantic soul weaving.

Affliction Warlock plays the niche of a necromancer.
Demonology spells are intermediate spells which uses the life of your allies in exchange for bringing a demon soul to materialize. Some uses demon's healh or life to be used as protection,etc.

Death Knight's toolkit is more focused on necromantic reanimation.
DH also has access to necromantic abilities such as soul cleave, feast on the souls artifact trait, Spirit Bomb, Soul Barrier, Shattered Souls.

Learn yourself! What you are describing is not necromancy, but fel magic. "Fel is fueled by drawing life from living beings and consuming their souls , utterly destroying them in the process." (Wowpedia)

Necromancy also deals with using life,spirit or soul as resource a.k.a. you use life as payment. This is also included in necromancy.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Voodoo
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Spirit_walker
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Uuna%27s_Doll
Read more first so you won't appear clueless. I pity you wouldn't even pass a lore exam with how you answered things from above.

The way you're going, the list of things involving necromancy will end up including everything and apple pie...

[vertigo12]

@Frontenac welcome back to our discussion

Fel/Chaos and Death
Both are entropic and destructive in nature and pretty much Fel energy would cause death that's why it is adjacent to each other. Death is adjacent to shadow or void since void or shadow is also entropic which is part of the Trinity vs arcane-nature-holy. Void is absence of everything even life and it is a three way process - chaos/destruction >> death >> void/shadow emptiness/nothingness.

In actuality fel/death are intermediate due to their nature.

"Death, in the form of necromantic magic, is an unavoidable force that breeds despair in mortals and pushes everything toward a state of entropic decay and eventual oblivion."

The difference is their realm. Only Demons who are mostly aligned with Fel are bound to the Twisting Nether when they die.

Elementals die as well and sent back to the Elemental plane.

Those who have life,spirit,soul are bound to wander the spiritual realm or Shadowlands.

Fel/Chaos energy is the clash of both Light and Void/Shadow thus it is chaotic in nature. Yes, it is consumption but not only with life but everything; the outcome of Arcane-Nature Magic's creation. It also turn something to nothing or simply the process and the byproduct of such destruction is death. Fel is the counterpart of Arcane and is mostly associated with demonic energies or using the Twisting nether at your disposal. Thus it is also transformative and can turn living beings with fel-blood.

[alt-ithist]

Sadly people playing WoW are only seeing just one section of the huge scope of necromancy.

It's not only about reanimated corpse from stiched bodies, raising the dead back to life, ghouls,zombies, wights, the Scourge, Forsaken, Val'kyr, etc.

Yes everything that has connection with the dead is within the field of necromancy. Including ressurection,interacting with souls and spirit of the dead.

Necros=the dead or death
Mancy = mantis - prophet, mantein =to known, knowledge; see logia/logy

Necrology wasn't used as to herbology/herbalism because it describes another set of reality which otherwise known as orbituary or list of the dead.

Requirement:
- It is alive
- It has to have a soul - esprit,anima, worldsoul.The spirit/soul can be good,lawful,neutral,chaotic,evil.
- the object/matter can be infused with soul
- soulless object can be created,manipulated in exchange for a soul.

Magni as Azeroth's Speaker, who is currently communing with the planet's worldsoul, technically is using the arts of necromancy.

Similar to the Pantheon or titans, they too can experience death but they revert into their ethereal form or go back to being a world soul and at the proper time materialize and assume their titanic body.

It’s the reason I specifically said in the “Warcraft Universe”. That definition doesn’t apply to necromancy in Warcraft.

[vertigo12]

The way you're going, the list of things involving necromancy will end up including everything and apple pie...

Because where there is life, death follows. Death much like life is universal. Titan pantheons aren't Eternal character class much more than of their creation specially under the curse of flesh since both being alive is a process as to dying. Life in itself is a status which would also be the same for dead/death.

Using the power of necromancy results in unnatural outcome as it is an unnatural effect in itself.

A seed is planted, a seed grows, it becomes a tree.It withers, it dies. It burns.

The natural aspect of it is growth, the tree creates follages and bears fruits.
Using the state of fel or destruction regardless of what elements you use will cause it's wasting.
The tree rotting, it decays, it becomes a Deadwood and a stump for mushroom to grow. That is the process of death. Slow death is aging.

ALL LIVING THINGS DIE. If you become immortal, then death has no meaning for you.

Do you honestly believe Malfurion isn't tired of living? Why do you think he pretty much sacrificed his own immortality and prefer being asleep in his Barrow den?

[Powerogue]

From A Good War https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ood-war#tab=4:

A wisp flew past Saurfang’s eyes. He absently waved it away with his left hand. It stung—the wisp seemed to lash out at Saurfang’s exposed palm. It darted around and then landed on the top of his scalp, covering his head.

Saurfang snarled as the wisp snapped its power onto his skin again. He swatted it away, hard. More wisps floated high in the trees, moving in distressed, agitated patterns. Saurfang supposed they didn’t like what he had done.

Whispered curses and grunts drew his attention. Other Horde members were slapping more wisps away. Saurfang went still. It wasn’t unusual for wisps to gather and frolic before sunset, but they were not aggressive. Not normally.

But he had seen it happen before, hadn’t he?
High above Mount Hyjal, a demonic lord had stridden toward Nordrassil, intending to claim its power for the Burning Legion. Saurfang had fought in that battle, desperately holding back the tides of demons . . .

. . . while Malfurion Stormrage had beckoned for the aid of his ancestors . . .

. . . and thousands, nay, millions of wisps had answered his call . . .

In small numbers, wisps were harmless.

In large numbers . . .

“Retreat!” Saurfang bellowed. “Horde, retreat now! Run!”

Most of the Horde soldiers obeyed his command, but many did not recognize the danger and were slow to flee.

A voice thundered through the forest, promising vengeance. “Ash karath,” said Malfurion Stormrage.

The wisps descended from the branches as a solid, writhing, glowing wall. They surrounded the stragglers and the slow runners, embracing them in a cocoon of light from which only screams of agony escaped.

“Run!” Saurfang shouted again, and now, there was no more hesitation. The Horde fled, dropping weapons and shields and armor, scrambling to safety. None of them had been at Mount Hyjal that day, but they all knew the story. Wisps tore at the high overlord’s armor. He covered his head with his arms and ran desperately. The

heat of the wisps’ fury—the rage of the kaldorei’s ancestors—tried to burn through his armor, to sear the flesh within, to burrow into his bones and guts and rip him apart.

The power of wisps had destroyed a demonic lord. They would butcher the mortals of the Horde.

Saurfang’s armored boots were heavy, threatening to catch on roots and rocks in his way. To lose his footing would mean death, but he kept running until finally he escaped the woods and emerged onto the shore. Gasping, he turned back to see how many others would make it.

More than a hundred Horde had entered the forest. Less than a dozen emerged on the shore near Zoram’gar Outpost.

^--- MORE OF THIS, PLEASE.

[vertigo12]

Thanks for supplying these. It pretty much contains everything we have as to what my post was about. I do not own the novel though and I still need to find those specific paragraph from the .PDF ebook.

[Powerogue]

Thanks for supplying these. It pretty much contains everything we have as to what my post was about. I do not own the novel though and I still need to find those specific paragraph from the .PDF ebook.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...good-war#tab=4 tab 4 of the non-pdf version of A Good War, and also tab 4 of Elegy. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=4 Different perspectives. Ctrl-F "ash karath".

[vertigo12]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...good-war#tab=4 tab 4 of the non-pdf version of A Good War, and also tab 4 of Elegy. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/elegy#tab=4 Different perspectives. Ctrl-F "ash karath".

I guess you saved and bought time for me. No need to read and search everything or even copy paste it in here, thanks to you. I appreciate your effort and it greatly improves the flow of our discussion. I'll try to check the other novel as well to look for relevant paragraphs.

Elegy

Spoiler: 

As for the dead . . . they were in Elune’s grace. Their bodies would return to the earth. They would continue to exist, albeit in a different form.

The next paragraphs contains the portrayal of Malfurion's control over the wisp. Indeed he knows how to order them and they obey his command.

Spoiler: 

Pageantry, Malfurion had written in his instructions. Delaryn had not understood what that meant. But now she did.

They were about to enact a piece of lethal theater that was dependent upon illusion, partial truth, and mystery.

So she waited. There was illumination in the forest: glowing, insubstantial orbs darted and hovered about. Those who did not understand what they were might simply find the lights pretty and slightly compelling. Those who did know regarded them with respect, reverence, gratitude . . . or fear.These were wisps, the spirits of the beloved kaldorei dead. For a moment, Delaryn wondered if any who had fallen today were among them—if Ferryn was among them—but she banished the thought. Now, more than ever, there was no room for distraction.

A troll waved a thick, three-fingered hand in annoyance at a few of the wisps darting about him. A tauren’s tail swished and her ears twitched, as if these lights, only the size of a kaldorei’s head, were nothing more than buzzing insects.

Fools, Delaryn thought. Keep coming . . .

It took several more minutes before Saurfang realized the peril. In the ugly, guttural language of the orcs, he shouted the order for a retreat. Fear tinged his voice.

As well it should. In small groups, the spirits of the dead were indeed innocuous. But in large numbers, they could bring down a demon lord—and they had.

And now . . . Malfurion Stormrage called the chief performers in this drama to take the stage. His voice boomed forth like thunder. “Ash karath,” he cried. Do it!

His words were both an order to the spirits and a taunting challenge to the Horde. The latter retreated as fast as they could—at least, the wise ones among them who had listened to Saurfang.

The darkness of the forest lit up as the wisps obeyed the shan’do. Too late, all the Horde who had ventured into the shadows of the trees understood. The wisps descended in a solid sheet of light upon those too foolish or confused to have fled with their commander, obscuring them from sight—but not silencing them; the forest rang with shrieks of torment. And Delaryn was glad to hear that song.

The remaining Horde soldiers fled frantically, futilely. An orc, huge and bristling with weapons, tripped on one of the dozens of roots that now snaked out, and he hit the earth hard.

A white, buzzing cloud descended on him. A moment later, the cloud lifted, sailing toward the next victim of the wisps’ wrath, leaving nothing behind but charred skeletons, or sometimes merely ash.

“To me!” the shan’do cried.

Now, the elves took their own cue to participate in this play of life and death. They rose from the undergrowth or dropped from the branches where they had been concealed and joined their leader, racing forward in pursuit of their enemy.

The wisps buzzed angrily, harrying the Horde as they fled back the way they had come.

Delaryn had guessed more than a hundred had accompanied the high overlord. Only a handful—no more than a dozen—made it back to the shore near Zoram’gar Outpost. The rest had been demolished by the wisps.

As his soldiers reached the fringes of the forest, Malfurion shouted the order to halt. He lifted his powerfully muscled arms and, in a swarm of light, the wisps darted toward him, forming a wall that concealed their living brethren. A few moments later, again obeying his silent bidding, the wall of wisps parted, drawing back like a curtain to reveal Malfurion Stormrage standing atop a small rise, with every single soldier he had at his command lined up before him so their numbers looked greater. Around them, the branches of the trees moved, grasping only air . . . for now.

“This ends now.” Malfurion’s voice, rich and resonant, carried through the still air to the Horde clustered on the shore. “The Horde will not take a single step farther into our land, not without paying with their lives. This I vow.”

The curtain of living light closed once again.

Pageantry.

The next move was up to the Horde.

Delaryn sagged slightly, but she was smiling. “Shan’do,”

she said, “how did you know this would work?”

Malfurion smiled. Normally the expression gentled his face, but now it only reinforced his fierceness. He bowed deeply to the lights that had answered his call. “Fear is a useful tool, when used shrewdly. The Horde is powerful,” he said, his deep voice thrumming with resolve, “and its members are intelligent.

But many are deeply superstitious. I anticipated that these protective spirits would not only destroy those they embraced, but also terrify those who managed to escape. This fear will spread to the rest of the Horde army. They cannot go forward without facing the wisps, our arrows, and the forest’s wrath.”

Ash Karath = Do it [Darnassian]
@Rhaide @Arrashi READ! You were saying something about control issues again?

[vertigo12]

And Malfurion dares not to enter Rift of Aln...
"Malfurion Stormrage says:Xavius waits ahead in the Rift of Aln, the true heart of the Nightmare. Would that I could fight at your side, heroes, but... to this place, I cannot go.
Malfurion Stormrage says: My bond with the Emerald Dream gives me great power... but it also makes me vulnerable to the rift's darkness. I have peered inside it and know this to be true. Should I step within, I would be lost... just as Cenarius was.
Malfurion Stormrage says:Go. Destroy the Nightmare Lord. Only this way can the Dream be restored... and Azeroth be saved."

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If they wanted Malfurion's wall of wisps to be considered Death Magic, they wouldn't have framed the War of Thorns as Life vs. Death. They could take the story that way if they wanted to, reframe our understanding of wisps and Malfurion's seeming command of them, but I don't think that it's the story they want to tell.

Battle for Azeroth is not merely the battle between HvA. It is Battle for Survival. The Battle between Life and Death.

[Zeos]

Druids and necromancers are both spirit-casters. Druids are diplomats, necromancers are tyrants.

Wisps are spirits coaxed by druids,
Banshees are souls tormented by death

If you look at the cosmic chart, you see that death and nature are opposites.

[vertigo12]

Druids and necromancers are spirit-casters.

Wisps are spirits coaxed by druids,
Banshees are souls tormented by death magic

If you look at the cosmic chart, you see that death and nature are opposites.

I'm aware that they are polar opposites.

Enlighten me with your train of thought that they are indeed "spirit-casters", hmm?

[Zeos]

I'm aware that they are polar opposites.

Enlighten me with your train of thought that they are indeed "spirit-casters", hmm?

In war of the Ancients, Malfurion has to ask the spirits in order for his magic to work. He complimented the winds until they turned into a tornado and urged a seed to grow until it exploded out of Xavius. The Emerald dream is also the counterpart of the Shadowlands for places that the dead go to.

[vertigo12]

In war of the Ancients, Malfurion has to ask the spirits in order for his magic to work. He complimented the winds until they turned into a tornado and urged a seed to grow until it exploded out of Xavius. The Emerald dream is also the counterpart of the Shadowlands for places that the dead go to.

I haven't covered War of the Ancients novel as of yet I'll further look into it once I get an online copy of it and have time. A fellow forumer participating in this discuss have mentioned something perculiar when he mentioned Krasus being wounded and he used the living to heal him.

[Zeos]

I haven't covered War of the Ancients novel as of yet I'll further look into it once I get an online copy of it and have time. A fellow forumer participating in this discuss have mentioned something perculiar when he mentioned Krasus being wounded and he used the living to heal him.

That's part of the plot for War of the Ancients. I would read the books when you get the opportunity. Otherwise you can read about it on Korialstrsz's gamepedia page.

[Rhaide]

I guess you saved and bought time for me. No need to read and search everything or even copy paste it in here, thanks to you. I appreciate your effort and it greatly improves the flow of our discussion. I'll try to check the other novel as well to look for relevant paragraph.

Elegy:

Spoiler: 

As for the dead . . . they were in Elune’s grace. Their bodies would return to the earth. They would continue to exist, albeit in a different form.

The next paragraphs contains the portrayal of Malfurion's control over the wisp. Indeed he knows how to order them and they obey his command.

Spoiler: 

Pageantry, Malfurion had written in his instructions. Delaryn had not understood what that meant. But now she did.

They were about to enact a piece of lethal theater that was dependent upon illusion, partial truth, and mystery.

So she waited. There was illumination in the forest: glowing, insubstantial orbs darted and hovered about. Those who did not understand what they were might simply find the lights pretty and slightly compelling. Those who did know regarded them with respect, reverence, gratitude . . . or fear.These were wisps, the spirits of the beloved kaldorei dead. For a moment, Delaryn wondered if any who had fallen today were among them—if Ferryn was among them—but she banished the thought. Now, more than ever, there was no room for distraction.

A troll waved a thick, three-fingered hand in annoyance at a few of the wisps darting about him. A tauren’s tail swished and her ears twitched, as if these lights, only the size of a kaldorei’s head, were nothing more than buzzing insects.

Fools, Delaryn thought. Keep coming . . .

It took several more minutes before Saurfang realized the peril. In the ugly, guttural language of the orcs, he shouted the order for a retreat. Fear tinged his voice.

As well it should. In small groups, the spirits of the dead were indeed innocuous. But in large numbers, they could bring down a demon lord—and they had.

And now . . . Malfurion Stormrage called the chief performers in this drama to take the stage. His voice boomed forth like thunder. “Ash karath,” he cried. Do it!

His words were both an order to the spirits and a taunting challenge to the Horde. The latter retreated as fast as they could—at least, the wise ones among them who had listened to Saurfang.

The darkness of the forest lit up as the wisps obeyed the shan’do. Too late, all the Horde who had ventured into the shadows of the trees understood. The wisps descended in a solid sheet of light upon those too foolish or confused to have fled with their commander, obscuring them from sight—but not silencing them; the forest rang with shrieks of torment. And Delaryn was glad to hear that song.

The remaining Horde soldiers fled frantically, futilely. An orc, huge and bristling with weapons, tripped on one of the dozens of roots that now snaked out, and he hit the earth hard.

A white, buzzing cloud descended on him. A moment later, the cloud lifted, sailing toward the next victim of the wisps’ wrath, leaving nothing behind but charred skeletons, or sometimes merely ash.

“To me!” the shan’do cried.

Now, the elves took their own cue to participate in this play of life and death. They rose from the undergrowth or dropped from the branches where they had been concealed and joined their leader, racing forward in pursuit of their enemy.

The wisps buzzed angrily, harrying the Horde as they fled back the way they had come.

Delaryn had guessed more than a hundred had accompanied the high overlord. Only a handful—no more than a dozen—made it back to the shore near Zoram’gar Outpost. The rest had been demolished by the wisps.

As his soldiers reached the fringes of the forest, Malfurion shouted the order to halt. He lifted his powerfully muscled arms and, in a swarm of light, the wisps darted toward him, forming a wall that concealed their living brethren. A few moments later, again obeying his silent bidding, the wall of wisps parted, drawing back like a curtain to reveal Malfurion Stormrage standing atop a small rise, with every single soldier he had at his command lined up before him so their numbers looked greater. Around them, the branches of the trees moved, grasping only air . . . for now.

“This ends now.” Malfurion’s voice, rich and resonant, carried through the still air to the Horde clustered on the shore. “The Horde will not take a single step farther into our land, not without paying with their lives. This I vow.”

The curtain of living light closed once again.

Pageantry.

The next move was up to the Horde.

Delaryn sagged slightly, but she was smiling. “Shan’do,”

she said, “how did you know this would work?”

Malfurion smiled. Normally the expression gentled his face, but now it only reinforced his fierceness. He bowed deeply to the lights that had answered his call. “Fear is a useful tool, when used shrewdly. The Horde is powerful,” he said, his deep voice thrumming with resolve, “and its members are intelligent.

But many are deeply superstitious. I anticipated that these protective spirits would not only destroy those they embraced, but also terrify those who managed to escape. This fear will spread to the rest of the Horde army. They cannot go forward without facing the wisps, our arrows, and the forest’s wrath.”

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@Rhaide @Arrashi READ! You were saying something about control issues again?

Yes - I said the only control wielded was that of an emboldened call, nothing much more interesting than other powerful night elves employ. Also, notice how he calls his power NATURE? Doesn't seem like deception here - it's not darkness. It's nature.

[vertigo12]

Update: According to War of the Ancients, Druidism's dreamstate is an outer body experience where the soul detaches itself from the body. The spirit wanders across the dreamscape and thus leaves the body in a comatose state and if the spirit fails to return, it can be considered "dead".

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Yes - I said the only control wielded was that of an emboldened call, nothing much more interesting than other powerful night elves employ. Also, notice how he calls his power NATURE? Doesn't seem like deception here - it's not darkness. It's nature.

We can scrutinize spefics. Who amongst the Night Elves control nature? Not sisters of the moon, not the warden, not the mages and sorcerors.The druids. Among that group of people who has access to wisp command? The initiates? Certain druid of the aspects? How about the Archdruids? Yes, Archdruids but amongst the known ones, not Staghelm, not Runetotem, only Malfurion. The only Night Elven creature who are closely attuned to nature and it's spirit who practices Druidry is no other than Malfurion. The Prime Archdruid, he controls the spirit of his fellow Night Elves whose spirits are released from it's body regardless if it came from a fresh corpse or even of those who are ancetral in age already.

I am not questioning from what school of magic was he drawing his power from or what is it aligned to but rather on what frameworks is he operating or his course of action is he employing. Do you still consider utilizing the spirits of his DEAD comrades and use them as weapon as still the scope of nature spells or natural at all?

[Rhaide]

Update: According to War of the Ancients, Druidism's dreamstate is an outer body experience where the soul detaches itself from the body. The spirit wanders across the dreamscape and thus leaves the body in a comatose state and if the spirit fails to return, it can be considered "dead".

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We can scrutinize spefics. Who amongst the Night Elves control nature? Not sisters of the moon, not the warden, not the mages and sorcerors.The druids. Among that group of people who has access to wisp command? The initiates? Certain druid of the aspects? How about the Archdruids? Yes, Archdruids but amongst the known ones, not Staghelm, not Runetotem, only Malfurion. The only Night Elven creature who are closely attuned to nature and it's spirit who practices Druidry is no other than Malfurion. The Prime Archdruid, he controls the spirit of his fellow Night Elves whose spirits are released from it's body regardless if it came from a fresh corpse or even of those who are ancetral in age already.

I am not questioning from what school of magic was he drawing his power from or what is it aligned to but rather on what frameworks is he operating or his course of action is he employing. Do you still consider utilizing the spirits of his DEAD comrades and use them as weapon as still the scope of nature spells or natural at all?

I will state for (at least) the third time, that you control the wisps in WCIII and you are not playing malfurion. He is not the only person who can control them, the night elves ask them for help all the time.

Additionally, yes, I consider asking the wisps to use their detonate is a nature-related phenomenon. They are naturally occurring spirits, and they naturally have the ability to detonate, so asking them to do so is natural.