The story was right in front of us!!

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Patch 4.3 Dungeons Preview!

"Echo of Sylvanas: Spawned from shattered timeways and cloistered within the Ruby Dragonshrine, a maddened fragment of the Forsaken's leader, Sylvanas Windrunner, waits restlessly. Having lost everything and unable to find peace, this tormented echo aches for a chance to unleash her dark fury at anything still living within these barren, time-twisted wastes.

Echo of Tyrande: Once high priestess of Elune and leader of the night elves, this time-twisted fragment of Tyrande Whisperwind now wanders the desolate future of Azeroth. Enveloped by eternal midnight, she is forever separated from the comforting light of Elune and torn by questions about why her goddess did nothing to put an end to such madness.

Echo of Jaina: The tormented fragment of Jaina Proudmoore has been split and infused within the shattered pieces of her staff. To restore balance to the timeways, this echo must be defeated. However, the devastating magical power possessed by the once-proud ruler of Theramore is hardly lost to her time-havocked spectre. In this future Azeroth, she is only divided, and waiting....

Echo of Baine: Enraged by his failure to protect the world and, most importantly, the Horde, this time-ravaged shade of Baine Bloodhoof lingers within the ruins of the Obsidian Dragonshrine. Although he's still as powerful as the tauren high chieftain from the present, within this shattered future Azeroth, this guilt-ridden echo is little more than a discordant vessel of unquenchable malice and anger."

This is where the night warrior Tyrande comes from! And Sylvannas clearly loses leadership of the Horde!
At least we know Jaina and Baine won't die

[Vishy]

YOOOOOOOOOO

Gives me tingles.

[Enrif]

huh!

interesting. And, Anachronos, the son of Nozdormu/Murozond helped the Horde....

maybe the next step is not voidlords, but the infinite dragons?

[Thestuff1992]

That’s actually interesting. The tyrande one specifically could easily be what happens, although I really hope not. Just want the night elves to get some much needed backbone with a little hint of savagery added back, similar to what they were during WC.

Especially after seeing the new tyrande stuff. Interesting for sure

[GreenJesus]

huh!

interesting. And, Anachronos, the son of Nozdormu/Murozond helped the Horde....

maybe the next step is not voidlords, but the infinite dragons?

Damn.. this is actually a good find.. What if the Horde getting the Maghar was actually the work of the beginning of the infinite dragonflight?

[AwkwardSquirtle]

This isn't a future that actually happens though. End Time is from another timeway where we fail to stop Ultraxion from bringing in the Hour of Twilight.

[Deleted]

huh!

interesting. And, Anachronos, the son of Nozdormu/Murozond helped the Horde....

maybe the next step is not voidlords, but the infinite dragons?

Holy cow you're right Maybe the one who told Vol'jin to appoint Sylvannas as warchief was a member of the Infinite Dragonflight. If this is where they are going, i think everyone will agree that their storytelling is probably the best in the whole industry... to go through so many expansions with a fixed idea of what is going to happen.. :O

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This isn't a future that actually happens though. End Time is from another timeway where we fail to stop Ultraxion from bringing in the Hour of Twilight.

Steins; Gate taught me that some points in time can't be changed. Who knows, maybe the old gods corrupt Wrathion or something and make him create these dragons

[SirCowdog]

This isn't a future that actually happens though. End Time is from another timeway where we fail to stop Ultraxion from bringing in the Hour of Twilight.

Which is not to say that those characters couldn't reach a similar demise by other means. Like an old god eacaping its prison and wrecking the world.

[Niroshi]

The Hour of Twilight could probably still happen. It just refers to the ultimate victory of the old gods, probably has more than one trigger.

[Enrif]

Murozond about the End Times dungeon

You crawl unwitting, like a blind, writhing worm, towards endless madness and despair. I have witnessed the true End Time. This? This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.

and what Nozdormu sais after the fight

Still, in time, I will... fall to madness

And N'zoth is active. Perfect time to put a dragon aspect to madness!

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Steins; Gate taught me that some points in time can't be changed. Who knows, maybe the old gods corrupt Wrathion or something and make him create these dragons

These aren't presented as fixpoints though. We know that the timeline has to go a certain way, that's why we're trying to stop the Infinite Dragons from messing them up when we change fixpoints in the past, but this dungeon serves as a warning for the future. Specifically the immediate future. We're only fighting the leaders in order to get to Murozond, who's preventing us from getting into the past to get the Dragon Soul.

[Paetolus]

Oh damn, this is a great find, this whole war is part of N'zoth's plan to bring about the hour of twilight.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Which is not to say that those characters couldn't reach a similar demise by other means. Like an old god eacaping its prison and wrecking the world.

Oh sure, I just wouldn't take it for granted that this proves that Sylvanas loses warchief status and survives. Either of those could happen, but I wouldn't take a "What If" dungeon as evidence.

[Soon-TM]

Patch 4.3 Dungeons Preview!

"Echo of Sylvanas: Spawned from shattered timeways and cloistered within the Ruby Dragonshrine, a maddened fragment of the Forsaken's leader, Sylvanas Windrunner, waits restlessly. Having lost everything and unable to find peace, this tormented echo aches for a chance to unleash her dark fury at anything still living within these barren, time-twisted wastes.

Echo of Tyrande: Once high priestess of Elune and leader of the night elves, this time-twisted fragment of Tyrande Whisperwind now wanders the desolate future of Azeroth. Enveloped by eternal midnight, she is forever separated from the comforting light of Elune and torn by questions about why her goddess did nothing to put an end to such madness.

Echo of Jaina: The tormented fragment of Jaina Proudmoore has been split and infused within the shattered pieces of her staff. To restore balance to the timeways, this echo must be defeated. However, the devastating magical power possessed by the once-proud ruler of Theramore is hardly lost to her time-havocked spectre. In this future Azeroth, she is only divided, and waiting....

Echo of Baine: Enraged by his failure to protect the world and, most importantly, the Horde, this time-ravaged shade of Baine Bloodhoof lingers within the ruins of the Obsidian Dragonshrine. Although he's still as powerful as the tauren high chieftain from the present, within this shattered future Azeroth, this guilt-ridden echo is little more than a discordant vessel of unquenchable malice and anger."

This is where the night warrior Tyrande comes from! And Sylvannas clearly loses leadership of the Horde!
At least we know Jaina and Baine won't die

It would certainly be neat to see Sylvie, Jaina and Tyrande -especially Tyrande- steer out of harm's way and make room for new blood, especially on Horde side. Jaina may be aligned with Alliance atm, but I cannot shake the feeling that she's a wild card ready to lay waste on anyone who stops her thirst for revenge. As for Tyrande, I think that even Allies will concede that she's one of the worst Ally leaders, cringeworthy to no end, militarily unfit and with the diplomatic skills of a potato. Make NEs go back to their WC3 rendition: savage, isolationists and xenophobic. Gogogo Shandris as new PotM

[Hitei]

Patch 4.3 Dungeons Preview!

"Echo of Sylvanas: Spawned from shattered timeways and cloistered within the Ruby Dragonshrine, a maddened fragment of the Forsaken's leader, Sylvanas Windrunner, waits restlessly. Having lost everything and unable to find peace, this tormented echo aches for a chance to unleash her dark fury at anything still living within these barren, time-twisted wastes.

Echo of Tyrande: Once high priestess of Elune and leader of the night elves, this time-twisted fragment of Tyrande Whisperwind now wanders the desolate future of Azeroth. Enveloped by eternal midnight, she is forever separated from the comforting light of Elune and torn by questions about why her goddess did nothing to put an end to such madness.

Echo of Jaina: The tormented fragment of Jaina Proudmoore has been split and infused within the shattered pieces of her staff. To restore balance to the timeways, this echo must be defeated. However, the devastating magical power possessed by the once-proud ruler of Theramore is hardly lost to her time-havocked spectre. In this future Azeroth, she is only divided, and waiting....

Echo of Baine: Enraged by his failure to protect the world and, most importantly, the Horde, this time-ravaged shade of Baine Bloodhoof lingers within the ruins of the Obsidian Dragonshrine. Although he's still as powerful as the tauren high chieftain from the present, within this shattered future Azeroth, this guilt-ridden echo is little more than a discordant vessel of unquenchable malice and anger."

This is where the night warrior Tyrande comes from! And Sylvannas clearly loses leadership of the Horde!
At least we know Jaina and Baine won't die

Except that Tyrande's is wrong, because the whole point of the Night Warrior ascension is that she is even closer to Elune (who is the Night Warrior) than ever before, not cut off from her. And the other three are generic "things are bad". Besides, Jaina's Echo is still pre-Theramore Jaina, i.e. she tells the heroes to leave so that they don't have to fight, and isn't vengeful at all.

[rowaasr13]

No. /thread

[Enrif]

Oh, also, if people don't remember. here some quotes from the dragon souls raid, which End Time was part of story wise

Vwyq agth sshoq'meg N'Zoth vra zz shfk qwor ga'halahs agthu. Uulg'ma, ag qam.
Once more shall the twisted flesh-banners of N'Zoth chitter and howl above the fly-blown corpse of this world. After millennia, we have returne

Zzof Shuul'wah. Thoq fssh N'Zoth!
Victory for Deathwing. For the glory of N'Zoth!

N'Zoth ga zyqtahg iilth.
The will of N'Zoth corrupts you.

Gul'kafh an'qov N'Zoth.
Gaze into the heart of N'Zoth.

Sk'tek agth nuq N'Zoth yyqzz.
Your skulls shall adorn N'Zoth's writhing throne.

Sk'shuul agth vorzz N'Zoth naggwa'fssh.
Your deaths shall sing of N'Zoth's unending glory.

Sk'yahf agth huqth N'Zoth qornaus.
Your souls shall sate N'Zoth's endless hunger.

[Linkedblade]

huh!

interesting. And, Anachronos, the son of Nozdormu/Murozond helped the Horde....

maybe the next step is not voidlords, but the infinite dragons?

Well the infinite aren't exactly evil. They just take a more invasive action to preserving the timeline. But all of their actions that we were involved in were making sure that events stayed the same. Re: Battle for mount hyjal. We went there to help in the third war, and they were no where to be found.

I'd like to know what sets off Nozdormu turn to into Murozond

[Darkguyver2020]

Though End Time was just an alternate possible outcome after the Hour of Twilight. Deathwing's corpse was even impaled on top of Wyrmrest Temple.
But we know that can't happen now since Deathwing was blown into atoms by Green Jesus with the Dragon Soul.

[Torto]

I don't think it is a coincidence that the four major bfa characters are taken directly from the End Time cata instance. Whether Blizzard had this planned all along since 4.3 or they decided to revive it for bfa is up for debate. But if Blizzard had the forethought to plan the storyline that far in advance then all credit to them.