Brett Kavanaugh Should be Impeached

[Agrossive]

So it would have passed, but as an act of solidarity, republican flake chose not to vote unless theres a 1 week investigation by the fbi so that all questions can be answered and not divide the country unnecessarily. Seems completly fair and logical. Best outcome for all i think.

[xChurch]

The facts remain the same since then. It's all he said/she said with no first hand corroboration.

Really it's more like multiple she's and all the he's either don't remember or aren't willing to say one way or the other.

[Bullettime]

They can but the party will get crucified in the mid-terms now if they do. They have their own members calling for this investigation so if they refuse that will be hung around the necks of all their candidates. Before they were just trying to dismiss the need for one, now they have to emphatically rule one out.

Yeah McConnell can say no but then the fence voters (Heitkamp, Manchin, Murkowski, Collins, and now sort of Flake) may not back it.

It's career suicide for all four of the core there to vote yes for him under current circumstances, but a no vote can save or sink them on a coin flip. By pushing it a week, it gives cover one way or the other for those four to make a decision and gauge possible reactions.

[Edge-]

but lets say, hypothetically, while doing their investigation FBI discovered that the person murdered someone while driving under influence, don't you think this information won't be passed on?

That has literally nothing to do with this investigation. If they have clear parameters, then anything they turn up beyond then cannot be used for anything. You keep pushing this completely nonsense notion that the FBI investigating someone absolutely means that they'll turn up something, which is patently false.

When they investigated the claims against Thomas by Hill, did they turn up people he'd killed? Financial crimes? No, they stuck to investigating the specific claims, and that's all that is being asked for here.

These arguments you're putting for are total nonsense.

[Thepersona]

Im OK with that. Its fair and should be able to clear the air. But I also think its just going to cause more shit depending on the result. If they find he did not have anything to do with Ford. The democrats are going to say they rushed the investigation and didnt have enough time to do it properly, or they will say the FBI is corrupted and now run by partisan republicans etc...

I mostly agree with you.
Even if they dont find anything (as if, they dont find damning evidence that he did that, with only 1 week of time), i dont think that the dems would say the bolded part

[Very Tired]

Curious with this new girl I haven't read to much about. She went to 10 parties where she claims she saw Kavanaugh and his friends drugging and gang raping girls? Why exactly would any girl go back to a party like that and not go directly to the police?

[Bullettime]

Curious with this new girls. She went to 10 parties where she claims she saw Kavanaugh and his friends drugging and gang raping girls? Why exactly would any girl go back to a party like that and not go directly to the police?

It happens all the time even today. Pressure to socialize among certain social circles, and rocking the boat could sink your career before it even starts by pissing off the wrong people.

[Everwake]

Trying to figure out what they can investigate. She doesn't remember when or where the party was, how she got there or how she left. Can they try Inception on her, maybe?

[xChurch]

or flat out deny the allegations, so yeah...he said/she said.

I feel like it's pretty telling that all the women involved have gone on record backing the allegations while the closest person on Kavanaugh's side basically went into hiding immediately afterwards.

[alexw]

Im OK with that. Its fair and should be able to clear the air. But I also think its just going to cause more shit depending on the result. If they find he did not have anything to do with Ford. The democrats are going to say they rushed the investigation and didnt have enough time to do it properly, or they will say the FBI is corrupted and now run by partisan republicans etc...

Not really no. Not unless the FBI come out themselves and say they did not have the time necessary and could not do the investigative work needed.

[eschatological]

I don't think Gamble v. US has much in play here. It's a liberal cause to overturn the exception to state/federal prosecution, supported by the ACLU, etc, and there's indications Clarence Thomas also agrees. The rest of the conservative court may be persuaded to overturn as well based on the fact that it might mean some of Mueller's charges would be blocked from state level prosecution, and, as we know, state level prosecution isn't eligible for Presidential pardon.

[Bullettime]

Trying to figure out what they can investigate. She doesn't remember when or where the party was, how she got there or how she left. Can they try Inception on her, maybe?

It gets people under oath that the Senate couldn't or wouldn't call for. People like Mark Judge will get a visit from the FBI instead of being able to send a letter, Judge's girlfriend who claims to have damning evidence will be put on record, roommates and friends that have spoken up will be put on official record, etc.

[alexw]

So it would have passed, but as an act of solidarity, republican flake chose not to vote unless theres a 1 week investigation by the fbi so that all questions can be answered and not divide the country unnecessarily. Seems completly fair and logical. Best outcome for all i think.

Unless of course your name is Kavanaugh and you have a history of being blind drunk in your teens/twenties, and belligerent and aggressive when drunk to boot.

[Fugus]

Another point, with the week delay, that puts a lot more scrutiny on the Senate when it comes in. How will that effect their willingness to vote?

I figure they will just skim through all the lies he has already been caught in and pretend they don't exist. But if they find any credibility to the claims, what are the odds they won't bite the bullet and confirm anyways because they got the investigation done but had no actually concrete proof that he did it.

[Agrossive]

Unless of course your name is Kavanaugh and you have a history of being blind drunk in your teens/twenties, and belligerent and aggressive when drunk to boot.

Certainly possible, either way at least it will be settled.

[Belize]

Trying to figure out what they can investigate. She doesn't remember when or where the party was, how she got there or how she left. Can they try Inception on her, maybe?

The other allegations maybe?

[Bullettime]

Another point, with the week delay, that puts a lot more scrutiny on the Senate when it comes in. How will that effect their willingness to vote?

I figure they will just skim through all the lies he has already been caught in and pretend they don't exist. But if they find any credibility to the claims, what are the odds they won't bite the bullet and confirm anyways because they got the investigation done but had no actually concrete proof that he did it.

It only has to sway Manchin, Heitkamp, Collins, and Murkowski.

A yes vote kills them politically, but a no vote could still possibly sink them. The investigation allows them time to gauge where the winds are blowing, provide peace of mind to them and their voters, and give them cover for a yes vote (if nothing comes up,) or a no vote (if something does.)

[eschatological]

I wish someone on these Senators' staffs would tell them that a devil's triangle is in reference to a 3 way and boofing refers to anal sex/anal ingestion of drugs/alcohol.

[alexw]

Yeah McConnell can say no but then the fence voters (Heitkamp, Manchin, Murkowski, Collins, and now sort of Flake) may not back it.

It's career suicide for all four of the core there to vote yes for him under current circumstances, but a no vote can save or sink them on a coin flip. By pushing it a week, it gives cover one way or the other for those four to make a decision and gauge possible reactions.

Indeed, politically for the four of them its better to punt it to the FBI. If the FBI find nothing (doubtful at this stage) then they have some justification they can use with voters as to why they approved him, and if the FBI do find big red flags then they have something to curry favor with voters with "look what we did we stopped a rapist/sexual assaulter getting onto the supreme court!"

Its a no brainer at this point.

[Thekri]

Unless of course your name is Kavanaugh and you have a history of being blind drunk in your teens/twenties, and belligerent and aggressive when drunk to boot.

Well, we can't prove if he is belligerent and aggressive when drunk. However we can prove he is belligerent and aggressive when sober.

That is my takeaway from all of this. I still don't know if he is guilty or not, and we never will. And I understand the reluctance to block him based on allegations that can't be proven. His character and demeanor during that performance alone disqualify him from sitting on any bench in America in my opinion. This is a vain, arrogant man, who is fragile and a bully. He is hyper partisan and perfectly willing to spin conspiracy theories to suit his agenda. The last thing we need is a conspiracy theorist on the bench.