Don't shoot, I'm disabled

[IIamaKing]

Ugg, thanks for making me remember this one... I live close to this it was very big news. Nothing happened to the officers and the world turns.

We all accept that this sort of thing happening is 100% fucked. But how do we actually fix it? How do we get cops to stop acting as if every person is a threat? I'm sure we all saw the video of the Cop who talks down a knife wielding fellow inside the police station, wraps shit up with a hug. Pretty sure we know that man, in the states, would have been maced and tazed, if he was lucky.

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"The officers then fired their Tasers at him 15 times"

what the fuck is wrong with them

Woefully and tragically under qualified to deal with such scenarios.

[telygroar]

The officers told investigators they tased Trammell because they wanted to get him medical attention, according to records.

OKAY ? It's not only training at a policer, they need some IQ test.

[Endus]

We all accept that this sort of thing happening is 100% fucked. But how do we actually fix it? How do we get cops to stop acting as if every person is a threat? I'm sure we all saw the video of the Cop who talks down a knife wielding fellow inside the police station, wraps shit up with a hug. Pretty sure we know that man, in the states, would have been maced and tazed, if he was lucky.

It's not a perfect solution, but Step 1 has to be that officers no longer get any benefit of the doubt, for wearing a uniform. We don't assume they were justified; in any use of force situation, we start from the assumption that the use of force was not justified, and ask that the officer justify their use. And if they cannot, they should be facing a prison sentence, along with expulsion from the force and a lifetime ban on working as an officer.

This doesn't mean it's a witch hunt, it means if an officer shoots a guy because they thought he was drawing a weapon, they're going to need to establish exactly how they were justified in thinking that. Was he acting threatening? Did he threaten the officer directly? Did the officers see what looked like a weapon, given the speed of the encounter and reasonable reaction times (meaning a guy shouting "I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU, PIG" and pulling out a cell phone is a valid target; the officer saw him drawing something that, in that moment, could be seen as a weapon, and context supports that belief).

Oh, and any officer found to be covering for any other officer should be punished as if they're part of that crime. If your partner lies and says he saw a gun, when there was no gun, you're BOTH going down, and we're not just taking his word.

If you don't have this baseline, cops are going to get away with this stuff. And if they're going to get away with it, it'll keep happening. The bar should be higher for officers, not lower.

[RobertoCarlos]

They just wanted to give him some electric medicine to help calm him down

[Martymark]

Naked person in their own shower.
15 Tasers.

I assume the water was dispersing a lot of the electricity. So not only did they fail at being cops, they fail at basic science!

[Independent voter]

According to the records, here’s what happened:

On the morning of May 25, a neighbor called police because Trammell, who had knocked on her door, was naked in the hallway, talking about the devil and his brother. She feared he was experiencing a psychotic break.

Trammell had not threatened anyone or brandished a weapon. When police arrived, a neighbor told them she feared he might harm himself. Trammell’s downstairs neighbor told them water was leaking through the ceiling from his apartment.

Rather than waiting for 25 minutes for someone to arrive with a key, police broke down the door and walked through the apartment to the bathroom, where they found Trammell taking a shower, drinking from a jug of water.

When the officers spoke to Trammell, he stared at them and did not reply.

Munoz reached for Trammell, who pushed him away. That’s when Munoz first deployed his Taser, causing Trammell to fall backward into the tub. After initially lying still, Trammell struggled as Munoz and Rohleder tried to handcuff him, so they tased him some more.

During the struggle, the officers dropped their Tasers. A third officer, who was outside he bathroom, handed hers to one of them.

The officers called West Allis police for help. West Allis recommended disengaging, so Munoz and Rohleder did.

Rohleder pulled the trigger of his Taser one more time from the hallway, while the leads to its wires were still embedded in Trammell’s body. Rohleder told investigators “this was not an intentional deployment, but occurred spontaneously when the West Allis police asked him if the Taser wires were still connected,” according to Chisholm's letter.

When paramedics arrived, Trammell was handcuffed and struggling on the ground outside his apartment. They gave him two sedatives, ketamine and midazolam, in an attempt to calm him down, the medical examiner’s report says.

By the time they got him into the ambulance, Trammell had stopped breathing and had no pulse. He was pronounced dead within minutes of arriving at the hospital.

The medical examiner listed the cause of Trammell’s death as excited delirium, a controversial condition often cited when police use force.

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/l...ser/552071002/

[Kraenen]

Not only physical disabilities but people with mental disabilities are the most likely group to be abused/shot by police

[ohwell]

The police in the USA aren't held to any standards. Suggesting they should be is regarded as 'unpatriotic' and 'supportive of crime'.

Americans can be weird like that.

The people who cry about police brutality aren't held to any standards either. Oh ok yupp it was perfectly fine for Michael Brown to go for the officer's gun.... riiiight. But no let's riot and make a "movement" that's only purpose was to riot and try to get something out of people.

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According to the records, here’s what happened:

On the morning of May 25, a neighbor called police because Trammell, who had knocked on her door, was naked in the hallway, talking about the devil and his brother. She feared he was experiencing a psychotic break.

Trammell had not threatened anyone or brandished a weapon. When police arrived, a neighbor told them she feared he might harm himself. Trammell’s downstairs neighbor told them water was leaking through the ceiling from his apartment.

Rather than waiting for 25 minutes for someone to arrive with a key, police broke down the door and walked through the apartment to the bathroom, where they found Trammell taking a shower, drinking from a jug of water.

When the officers spoke to Trammell, he stared at them and did not reply.

Munoz reached for Trammell, who pushed him away. That’s when Munoz first deployed his Taser, causing Trammell to fall backward into the tub. After initially lying still, Trammell struggled as Munoz and Rohleder tried to handcuff him, so they tased him some more.

During the struggle, the officers dropped their Tasers. A third officer, who was outside he bathroom, handed hers to one of them.

The officers called West Allis police for help. West Allis recommended disengaging, so Munoz and Rohleder did.

Rohleder pulled the trigger of his Taser one more time from the hallway, while the leads to its wires were still embedded in Trammell’s body. Rohleder told investigators “this was not an intentional deployment, but occurred spontaneously when the West Allis police asked him if the Taser wires were still connected,” according to Chisholm's letter.

When paramedics arrived, Trammell was handcuffed and struggling on the ground outside his apartment. They gave him two sedatives, ketamine and midazolam, in an attempt to calm him down, the medical examiner’s report says.

By the time they got him into the ambulance, Trammell had stopped breathing and had no pulse. He was pronounced dead within minutes of arriving at the hospital.

The medical examiner listed the cause of Trammell’s death as excited delirium, a controversial condition often cited when police use force.

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/l...ser/552071002/

You don't need to brandish a weapon to be considered a threat. Yupp police don't come and he does get something and assumes the neighbor was the devil..... or you know cuts off someone's head like the guy in Canada that they let go free now.

[Kaeth]

The medical examiner listed the cause of Trammell’s death as excited delirium

Also known as "death by police Taser," and not an officially recognized diagnosis by any recognized medical organization. It's used by medical examiners to mean, "shocked, possibly beaten by police officers, subsequently died, but NOT HOMICIDE."

[gaymer77]

Shit like this makes me ashamed to be called an American.

[korijenkins]

Why is it that hard for these big strong police officers to just grab the guy and go?

[gaymer77]

You don't need to brandish a weapon to be considered a threat. Yupp police don't come and he does get something and assumes the neighbor was the devil..... or you know cuts off someone's head like the guy in Canada that they let go free now.

This case you're responding to was of a man who was in his own shower & completely naked & suffered from schizophrenia & the cops were calling him by an incorrect name. He was absolutely no threat to ANYONE!

[Independent voter]

Why is it that hard for these big strong police officers to just grab the guy and go?

I bet he was a huge guy.

If he was 5'2" he'd still be alive today.

[therealbowser]

So what happened to the officers? Do they still have jobs?

[RobertoCarlos]

The medical examiner listed the cause of Trammell’s death as excited delirium

Excited delirium ay, i'll have to remember that one if im ever charged with murder

[Zelk]

While I am a strong supporter of Police Officers and believe they are an essential good on society, don't they get any kind of training in the US? It's surprisingly difficult to become a copper in the UK, hence why this stuff barely happens here.

We pretending the Police didn't kill someone with poisonous gas spray last year then or something? Deaths in police custody are on the rise here, and there's plenty of records about the abusive cops in this country. Pretending this doesn't happen here is outright dangerous.

[prwraith]

And the sedatives? Fuck that noise. Should not be allowed, period, at least not by police officers. Not if we're talking anything that isn't over-the-counter.

Are officers allowed to adminiter sedatives? Do they have the medical training necessary to prevent an overdose? Do they have the drugs to counteract a sedative in case of overdose?

Do they know the contra-indications? Police have no business administering shit, half of them can't even be trusted with a weapon let's give them drugs on top of that. ffs

[Independent voter]

So what happened to the officers? Do they still have jobs?

Yeah, no charges against them.

[therealbowser]

Yeah, no charges against them.

Welp, that should probably be looked at. Pretty disgusting, tbh, but sadly unsurprising...

[Gref]

Pretty much... it's fucking ridiculous.

Why hasn't America taken a page from other nations and created a university for police, one that takes at least a year worth of serious, full-time training to complete before they're allowed out in the field?

Because it is AMERICA! The bestest country ever they do not learn anything from the world! We learn from them (not to be like them)