Feeling forced to reroll for pushing m+

Deleted · 2018-10-11, 10:35 AM

If you compare warriors on RIO (I'm comparing Arms here, I doubt Fury is much different) you really get a sense we're not wanted. On my realm, one of the largest in the EU, the highest Warrior has a score of just under 1.3k. Our damage is good but we're just not wanted because we have no utility and can be replaced by the attack power scroll buff. Why would you ever pick a Warr over a rogue/dh/mage/lock etc? They all have our damage and then something extra. It's all you see in group finder 'mage or rogue needed'.

I don't blame people for wanting good classes but it's so tiring not getting into a group when you're really geared and have more than enough xp but you're the wrong class. All we have is the damage. We don't even have shockwave anymore and I feel like I'm weighing my team down because all I can do is dmg. I can't help the group out with skips or slows or anything.

Deleted · 2018-10-11, 12:25 PM

As fury you can slow packs, but i fully agree with you. We are not wanted in group. Last weekend i lost few hours trying to find groups for m+, no one want warrior.

**Narzok** · 2018-10-11, 12:33 PM

this is sadly one of many results of "the best is barely enough" mentality that haunts almost all online multiplayer interactions.

and there is no fix for it. either you have all dps speccs be 100% identical, or people start sorting based on smaller things/things that cannot be changed (melee vs rdps)

honestly, if people would put so much effort into hobby sports like these kind of gamer put into min-maxing everything, we would need to hold the olympics twice a year.

**Barnabas** · 2018-10-11, 12:33 PM

Piercing howl is baseline for fury. Just play that spec. I had an arms warrior in a group earlier today and when he wasnt dealing with mechanics he did ok damage. His overall was garbage because he got mechanics for most of kings rest. The times he was able to engage in fighting contributed though.

**Bangdingow** · 2018-10-11, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by eolthedarkelf

If you compare warriors on RIO (I'm comparing Arms here, I doubt Fury is much different) you really get a sense we're not wanted. On my realm, one of the largest in the EU, the highest Warrior has a score of just under 1.3k. Our damage is good but we're just not wanted because we have no utility and can be replaced by the attack power scroll buff. Why would you ever pick a Warr over a rogue/dh/mage/lock etc? They all have our damage and then something extra. It's all you see in group finder 'mage or rogue needed'.

I don't blame people for wanting good classes but it's so tiring not getting into a group when you're really geared and have more than enough xp but you're the wrong class. All we have is the damage. We don't even have shockwave anymore and I feel like I'm weighing my team down because all I can do is dmg. I can't help the group out with skips or slows or anything.

Basically, you'll have to level your own keys, find a group to play with or reroll to a class in the current M+ meta. Idk when wow became fucking League of legends with this meta bullshit but it's a fact of pugging in today's game. I'm guilty of it myself I lol when shadow priests and ele shaman queue up and I pass on guardian druids and resto shaman every time I'm running something higher than a +10.

**Softbottom** · 2018-10-11, 11:28 PM

They need to give us shockwave back for DPS specs.

**Marrilaife** · 2018-10-12, 12:27 AM

That's the issue when Blizzard turned away from "bring the player, not the class" towards "class fantasy, strengths and weaknesses, de-homogenization". Very few classes are "wanted" for m+ because they're the most specialized in what teams want.

The poular dps are: rogue, mage, boomkin, dh... maybe warlock but it's not perfect for every setup (high st burst, low aoe). So more than half the classes are shafted.

At least some high comps do run a warrior when I check leaderboards.

Does anyone pick shadow priest? Feral? Ele / enh shaman? Ret paladin? Dps dk? MM / Surv hunter? Nope. Even beastmastery hunters and windwalkers are fairly rare, but do exist here and there.

Same problem with tanks. Majority of m+ want a blood dk, period. There are some DHs / Paladins / Monks, but much fewer than DKs. Druids and Warriors never picked.

Healers are slightly more balanced, but still, no one picks a shaman.

Warriors were "meta" for m+ during TOS / first MDI but then Blizzard started buffing DHs (and Monks in Antorus) and these took over "the second melee spot" (you always want rogue for skips since they brought cloak of concealment back in 7.1), Monks got recently nerfed, so they're phasing out in favour of DHs.

Blizzard really doesn't care.

They were supposed to improve utility of the classes that are "pick: never" status, and what we got is Legion 2.0 where ferals, shamans, shadow are dumpster tier for pve.

They actually added utility to classes that were already popular like mages and demon hunters... Sigh.

**grendle** · 2018-10-12, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Softbottom

They need to give us shockwave back for DPS specs.

100% agree with this - Im not surprised its hard to pug high keys on warrior, the shockwave was one of the few reasons an warrior could be an average choice and it's not out of line with stuns that other melee classes have e.g. DH/Shaman/monk.

That said Im not going to cry, pushing higher than 10 is only for bragging rights at the moment, arms is great for Uldir and Im enjoying arena, tanking in M+ feels a bit better after the (very small) buff so I don't mind switching anymore (I flat refused the last month when people asked me to after being one shot through shield wall by a non-fortified mob in motherload+8), its not like we're the bottom of the pile this expansion now is it.

**swatsonqt** · 2018-10-12, 09:04 AM

i feel you...

with less then 0 utility it just feels as if you're not pulling your weight. Had a conversation with my m+ group about a reroll. Lead was pretty "sweet" in telling me that it is super important to execute all the mobs..and that super good for m+...

sorry but i don't see that 20 K execute doing much... if the mob has 2 % health and 16 k go to waste... (made up numbers)

Kind of feeling useless lately...

**Softbottom** · 2018-10-12, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by grendle

100% agree with this - Im not surprised its hard to pug high keys on warrior, the shockwave was one of the few reasons an warrior could be an average choice and it's not out of line with stuns that other melee classes have e.g. DH/Shaman/monk.

That said Im not going to cry, pushing higher than 10 is only for bragging rights at the moment, arms is great for Uldir and Im enjoying arena, tanking in M+ feels a bit better after the (very small) buff so I don't mind switching anymore (I flat refused the last month when people asked me to after being one shot through shield wall by a non-fortified mob in motherload+8), its not like we're the bottom of the pile this expansion now is it.

Shout is nice to have for the HP increase but to push higher keys it's going to be rough. Shockwave was a staple that made us somewhat wanted.

**Esotaric** · 2018-10-12, 04:53 PM

sometimes affixs aren't on your side.

Did a +9 with two warriors and roflstomped everything

**Danvash** · 2018-10-12, 05:11 PM

When you get past dungeons that you faceroll, Commanding Shout and Execute are useful abilities that demon hunters and mages don't have. Admittedly I don't play a warrior, but they seem like they're in a good place in terms of damage and utility. Quite unlike shadow priests and boomkins who you basically take just for the utility because the damage just isn't there outside of huge lengthy pulls where they can ramp up.

**wink-** · 2018-10-12, 06:25 PM

Rogues bring skips, non-aggro CC, AOE snare, and survivability. DH's bring AoE stun, snare or single target stun, non-aggro CC, and survivability. That fills up the melee slots for pushing. People will be less classist once there is more gear and more people are making the time on 10's.

**Deciticus** · 2018-10-12, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Danvash

When you get past dungeons that you faceroll, Commanding Shout and Execute are useful abilities that demon hunters and mages don't have. Admittedly I don't play a warrior, but they seem like they're in a good place in terms of damage and utility. Quite unlike shadow priests and boomkins who you basically take just for the utility because the damage just isn't there outside of huge lengthy pulls where they can ramp up.

Shout is next to pointless in m+. Raid, it's a powerful tool. 5 mans, less so. And execute is not a warrior special ability.

**MisterBigglez** · 2018-10-12, 11:58 PM

The only unique utility we have is Rallying Cry and only your healer is gonna notice it...maybe. We don't do enough damage to justify the lack of utility so theres no reason to bring a warrior unless you have a rediculous ilvl. I honestly feel like i'm letting my friends down because I choose not to play a DH, Druid, or Rogue. I know how strong DH is because I thought about swapping but I just wasn't enjoying it, even though they were very good and very useful in m+.

Theres a few things they could change to make warriors more viable. Give us Shockwave. Bring back the glyph that made feared targets stand still. Make Dragon Roar knockback again or give us a aoe interrupt, like another shout that silences anyone casting. I think having some of these changes would make it more justifiable to bring a warrior.

**Gouca** · 2018-10-15, 04:44 AM

I'm also concerned damage-wise. I pop everything I have and I have a chance of competing against previously mentioned classes at trash packs, except that my DBtS is on a 3-min CD and I have zero survivability outside of it. Boss damage is below horrible without literally everything proccing ten times in a row.

**Gurg** · 2018-10-15, 09:02 AM