Apathetic Players.

[Irian]

Yeeep.

That's been the pervasive feeling since about WoD. Blizzard has developed a game design that leads to players just wanting to "get shit done" and then players eager to defend this flawed design turn and bite at the people who point it out.

Now that we see the cracks in the foundation in BfA people are finally done biting at each other but the damage has already been done and Blizzard doesn't seem keen to try to mend it. The community is full of people clinging to WoW like an addict clings to a drug, hoping to get that high that they simply can't get anymore from the current game.

[Necromantic]

I have spent the last 24h defending exactly this point. There are very few exceptions of nice social guilds and the normality is either mute guilds where because of mass inviting noone knows each other OR hardcore raiding guilds that have a very limited and very specific purpose in game "mythic raiding".

There is no denying that blizzard has known that for years and thats why they made all the tools I have mentioned before.

The only thing that could revive guild would be to allow cross realm recruiting. Instead they made communities. And then they burried communities so you can only find them if you search forums etc.

I don't know if it's coincidence or not but my guilds seemed more social and active back when guild ranks and all the perks were still a thing.

[Doffen]

The only thing that could revive guild would be to allow cross realm recruiting.

Curious about this, how would it be better than guilds that we have now that is formed within realms?

If it's a good reason, I'll buy it, just wondering.

[Aoyi]

I don’t really see an issue with buying each new expansion and olaying for a couple months until you get bored, then waiting for the next one. If you don’t enjoy the end game content, there’ ma really no need to stick around. I will say that I’m finding BFA to be far less interesting than previous expansions. Part of that is the story. Part of it is the bugs (I literally got a pair of 370 boots yesterday that looks like a pool of metal thats rubber-banding between my feet), and part of that is I’ve been playing this game for over a decade now.

I’ve also noticed a lot of players in my guild aren’t logging on as often as they did even toward the end of Legion, which is surprising for an expansion that’s only been out 2 months. They log in to get their mythic chest, do a mythic plus, and on raid days. Outside of that, I’m noticing less and less of the people that were always on in Legion. Hell, I’m catching ip a lot on my neglected game library too right now which is something I usually only do at the end of an expansion.

[potis]

Curious about this, how would it be better than guilds that we have now that is formed within realms?

If it's a good reason, I'll buy it, just wondering.

Reality is, the majority of the people that still care to raid Mythic are still and will always be the College/Uni students with free time.

Especially EU side, where 25 euros for a transfer can be 1 day of work, or even 2 days of work for the poorer countries and for a Uni student in this economy, etc etc etc.

You get my point, making cross realm guilding/recruiting possible, eliminates the need to transfer, it also will never happen since Blizzard will lose income.

Also if it does happen, it will only create a cycle where you can gquit freely all the time considering you dont have to pay to go to the next guild.

He makes a point, but also is completely wrong with his statement.

[Deleted]

There seem to be a few people like that cause Blizzard broke the in-raid competitive aspect of raids with a ton of RNG and AP grinding, so, some people just tune it out like it's a habit to raid and carry on. I used to be like that and i'm still sad they broke that part of the game. Beeing hardcore in WoW is no longer rewarding.
Playing casual though, you will be having a blast and you won't have to do anything you don't enjoy.

[RunyonJustin]

Did not understand why people did not liked Legion so much

[Velshin]

Look how you keep up the discussion. Insults and innuendos. Now back at me. Data. Sorry but I refuse to converse with you. Feel free to keep bashing all that it will do to you is get you reported.

I am not insulting at all it was you who insulted others by calling them liars just because their experience is not the same as you? pretty ironic because it was you who started all of that argument and now you are backing away when you find someone who has more experience than you and challenge your argument eh? again just because Blizzard implemented features like community and stuff like that, it doesn't mean guilds are dead or irrelevant with that logic then raids were dying before they added the LFR feature system at the end of Cataclysm eh? see? who is the liar now?

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Last Expansion I was a demigod with a Legendary Weapon hunting arguably the most brazenly evil army that has ever existed across the entire WoW Universe.

This expansion I'm a shmuck with a talking necklace.

Time for a break.

[Debased]

I find most people that complain about lack of community/Socialness in WoW these days are just Anti-Social people that fail at making connections in game.

Literally every often played character I have is in a different guild atm and every guild I am in is highly social and full of people I enjoy playing the game with.

Maybe people need to just try to actually be social.

Not untrue, but that's a different matter entirely. I'm new, but my guild has been together for over 10 years, generally they're all friendly and sociable.

I'm talking about apathy towards the game and to reiterate among the semi-competitive crowd at that.

[Velshin]

It’s shocking how you can read but not understand a single thing. I leave you talking to yourself and will continue the discussion with serious posters.

Oh I read and understand your logic but you called people liars for those who think guilds are still a thing and you disagree with them which is fine but that is your opinion and personal experience. Don't state your personal experience as facts and don't call people liars because they have different experience than you.

You just said it, you are in medium realms. So join a high populated server then you will see how wrong you really are about guilds not being a thing anymore.

[Velshin]

When will people stop posting this massive lie. Guilds haven't been relevant to WoW since Wotlk unless they are M raiding guilds.

Pretty sure you were bashing people about posting stuff related to guilds being relevant which is opposite of your argument here.

[Segus1992]

I NEVER said "keep only the communities". I said that guilds are IRRELEVANT in the sense that whether you re in a casual guild or a semi hardcore guild IT DOES NOT MATTER anymore unless you are raiding.

I mean I literally said: My friends are in server X. I am in server Y. WE CANT BE IN A GUILD. SO GUILD IS IRRELEVANT. But we are together by btag and community. What is so hard to understand man? lol

So anecdotal evidence = fact. Gotcha, we're not dealing with average levels of intelligence.

Your irrelevance rambling has nothing to do with what the guy said to begin with anyway.

[Velshin]

You seem confused mate. No one “has to join high pop servers” to experience the game. I hope you can realize how silly that is. Secondly I didn’t call anyone a liar I said that the relevance of guilds is a lie. I’m not English but I have a good enough grasp of the language to know what I said so stop putting words in my mouth the only one name calling here is you.

Guilds are irrelevant that’s my personal opinion I will not back off from it I will not change my opinion and I don’t give a duck who believes me. So please stop stalking my posts already you and me disagree. You will never change my opinion so stop bothering me.

Btw: everyone’s personal experience is a fact. I hope you can get past your ego and realize that your personal experience is just yours and everyone else has their own personal experience.

Your personal experience fact for you but not for the entirely of the game. I don't have ego at all but I don't like new players who recently joined the forum and pretend they know all about the state of the game and pretend to know that (insert feature system name) in your case the guild system not being relevant in the game which is totally wrong. Why not be a Blizzard developer and fix the guild issues if you see it so wrong and irrelevant then instead eh?


Your personal opinion is not fact about the game its like someone who is playing in a very low populated realm and complain about the game being so anti social and not many players are there to play with? well duh? guess what? there is a reason why it is called low populated realm man open your eyes. And I am not talking about my personal experience alone when I said my guild is good and social and all of that jazz. I am talking about the state of the game when it comes to good populated servers like Kazzak in EU and there are so many others as well. It was the state of almost any high populated realm not just my own personal experience here.

[Velshin]

Pretty sure it is none of your damn business how I post. Stop stalking me

And it is none in your business either I am merely correcting your mistakes. You lack the knowledge but refuse to admit that you are wrong and you lack it that is all.

[Borgmore]

Guilds....not much point anymore....the game is full of assholes

[Velshin]

I am new in the forum now? Hahahahaha that’s rich. In case you didn’t notice, we pay the same sub and the vast majority of servers resembles mine not yours. So my experience is the experience of hundreds of thousands of players who don’t make friends in guilds and don’t hold hands and don’t become friends for life. In the rare case that they do it’s an exception.

Your kazzak experience does NOT reflect the average experience and you can only speak for yourself not for others. And no you can’t keep saying “if you get in my shoes you will see how wrong you are”. Well yeah and if you get in my shoes you will see how it is to drive a Porsche. See how stupid this sort of argument is? Really man stop it.

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Correct yourself mate you have no rights over me.

I have every rights when someone posting BS and so many wrong info based on his limited experience of the game and saying it as fact which is totally wrong and it is not just my right it is the right for everyone to correct someone if he is totally wrong.

You joined the forum in 2014 so yes you are new and you didn't play during Pandaria so yeah.

[Velshin]

I have put this guy in ignore because I am here to exchange opinions not shove mine down someone’s throat as some posters habitually try to do.

I play wow since vanilla and was in three guilds x14 years. We had bonds of friendship but it all ended. Now my bond is with my battle tag friends, 2-3 people in a guild where just us use the chat and the rest just hangs around and yeah the general consensus is guilds are becoming IRRELEVANT.

So: My advice to a new player is NOT find a guild and make friends. They won’t be your friends. “Friends” is a very serious word to be used for people you just met in a game. My advice to new players is PLAY FOR YOURSELF. PLAY FOR YOUR OWN INTERESTS. JOIN COMMUNITIES.

Sure if a guild comes along that you feel you can fit in join it. But don’t expect to bond, don’t expect loyalty, don’t expect a rise tinted world where the guild will save you and make your life easy. This stuff almost doesn’t exist. So let’s not keep pretending it does for the sake of arguing.

P.S. My sincere congratulations to the people who against all odds keep having these wonderful guilds that make playing wow awesome. For the rest of us our truth is that guilds serve no specific purpose. Apart from funky names and cool tabards.

Because I am correcting you I guess haha. Again your personal experience in a very low populated server is not the state of the entire game which doesn't mean Guilds are irrelevant. And I speak as myself yes but also the state of the server.

[Stricks]

I haven't really played since Pandaria. Yeah, I leveled through WoD and Legion but for whatever reason I quit shortly after the launch of each.

Here I am. Back for BFA and I'm "all in", oddly eager for another year(s) long WoW experience. But this isn't how I remember it. Nobody seems to be having fun, nobody really seems to care. Everyone just seems to be here because it's "what they do". At least among the "semi-competitive" circles (m raiders, high rating PvPers). It's almost depressing. Does anyone know what I mean?

You said what I was thinking without knowing I was thinking exactly this until you said it.

[Segus1992]

Your posts are as anecdotal as mine. Every opinion is anecdotal and based on the personal experience. We are here sharing personal experiences we are not posting scientific metrics. Ofc we occasionally (or well rather frequently) get people here who think that their anecdotal opinion is better than the anecdotal opinion of everyone else and with bullying and insults they try to push others out of the conversation. I’m not sure why you feel such a need to insult me to get your anecdotal point across. You can’t change my opinion with insults try raw data and civility.

Do point out what part of my argument is anecdotal. Dude, you even agree with my entire argument, the rest of it is pointing out that your argument is either anecdotal or off topic.