Why can't the father choose not to pay the child support if he wants abortion?

[Hitei]

It has nothing to do with being for women and against men. It’s soley about taking care of the child in the laws eyes. Whether the parents like it or not, the,child exists and must be cared for.

It does have to do with being for women and against men, though. Because if the (female) parent doesn't like it, she can get an abortion or put the child up for adoption, but if a (male) parent doesn't like it, he is responsible.

I'm just glad this hypocrisy exists, so my taxes don't have to go towards paying for your poor choices. Pay for your damned kids.

All the hypocrisy does is make you pay for mothers who don't want a kid, but not fathers who don't want a kid.

[Aresk]

The parent with primary custody of the child is owed child support by the other parent. Sex doesn't play into this. While you could voluntarily end your parental rights, it's difficult to do without agreement from both parents.

Honestly, if you're male, if you want to be sexually active, and if you don't want kids, have a vasectomy. It'll cost a lot less than child support and can often be reversed. You could always store sperm samples as backup. That is a medical procedure that can be performed preventatively, and no woman can stop a man from doing it. Again, the only imbalance here is that women have a preventative (albeit more complicated) and reactive procedure while men have only the preventative, but there is still plenty you can do as a man.

[united]

Because life isn’t fair, and you’re a grown man (I hope) Wrap it up next time or don’t do it at all.

[Rendark]

So unless you want to give fathers the right to abortion (And remove bodily autonomy) they have the same rights. Case closed.

If people are so against the opt out of child support then maybe we should give them that right. A year or two of that and women would be begging for the opt out law.

[Hilhen7]

It does have to do with being for women and against men, though. Because if the (female) parent doesn't like it, she can get an abortion or put the child up for adoption, but if a (male) parent doesn't like it, he is responsible.

Not exactly she can't put the child up for adoption if the man invokes his parental rights. If he does he can get custody and make the mother pay child support...

[Hitei]

Okay then your not getting the point.

There are only 2 ways a mother can absolve responsibility...

1. Abortion
2. Adoption (Unless father wishes to keep the child)

Father has the same rights as the mother in case 2, and 1 isn't an option.

So unless you want to give fathers the right to abortion they have the same rights. Case closed.

At the risk of infraction, you are legitimately so dumb I don't know how to handle this discussion

There are two ways a mother can shirk responsbility:
1. Abortion
2. Adoption (Even if the father wishes to keep the child, because courts tend to side with the mother)

The father does not have the same rights as the mother, because if he wants to keep the child and she doesn't, she is only rarely asked to pay child support, but if he wants to put the child up for adoption but he doesn't, he will almost always be obligated to pay child support. So what do you fucking do:

You give the father this option, so that he has it compared to the mother's two options:
1. Opt out of paying child support.
2. Adoption

Wowee, so fucking simple. Holy shit.

[Hilhen7]

If people are so against the opt out of child support then maybe we should give them that right. A year or two of that and women would be begging for the opt out law.

Okay you can opt out an hour before having sex. Just have her sign the consent forms that state that she agrees that you won't be responsible in case sex results in pregnancy,

[Rendark]

Okay you can opt out an hour before having sex. Just have her sign the consent forms that state that she agrees that you won't be responsible in case sex results in pregnancy,

I would be ok with that. Won't help everyone but it would save some guys.

[Hilhen7]

At the risk of infraction, you are legitimately so dumb I don't know how to handle this discussion

There are two ways a mother can shirk responsbility:
1. Abortion
2. Adoption (Even if the father wishes to keep the child, because courts tend to side with the mother)

The father does not have the same rights as the mother, because if he wants to keep the child and she doesn't, she is only rarely asked to pay child support, but if he wants to put the child up for adoption but he doesn't, he will almost always be obligated to pay child support. So what do you fucking do:

You give the father this option, so that he has it compared to the mother's two options:
1. Opt out of paying child support.
2. Adoption

Wowee, so fucking simple. Holy shit.

False, when you give up the child for adoption the father still has parental rights and thus can claim custody and sue for child support.

[Baltasar]

Dont pay it,if the bitch dont wanna abort the baby,simple take a flying dragon kick into her stomach.

[therealbowser]

Because like it or not, you are the father of a child that very likely needs your help.

I wouldn't be against child support only being required if the father is actively working (including taking unemployment checks, at a reduced rate), or if the mother remarried and had the support of another father, but assuming that just because a woman can choose to keep a child doesn't mean a father should be able to choose not to support the child.

This is always mother vs father, what really should be considered here is the child.

All of this said, in a perfect world the father would have a say in whether or not to keep the child, but no say in whether the child should be aborted. In the real world, most men are not going to want to pay child support (virtually none) even if they convince someone that they would in the beginning. The mother ends up suffering, to be sure, but it's the child who would likely suffer the most. This would even likely force a lot of children into foster homes or worse since a lot of single mothers would not otherwise be able to fully support a child on their own.

The topic of abortion is a sensitive issue where there isn't a simple solution, but the topic of child support is far easier to resolve. Yeah, the father gets the short end of the stick. If you don't like it, don't have unprotected sex.

[VincentWolf]

Because this is a fucked up, gynocentric world and it's fucking disgusting.

[Jotaux]

Still could have used a condom to be sure, or not had sex.

Sorry, he's responsible for creating that life. She couldn't do it alone.

I see this argument a lot and its just laughable. Try saying that to a woman getting an abortion and see how that goes. I mean if you aren't going to use a real argument you've already lost the debate.

[Piando]

Instead of forcing women to have an abortion, why don't you just freeze down some sperm, in case you need it later, and get a vasectomy? Why should women be those who have to suffer an invasive intervention?
You are an adult, you take responsibility for your action. Either you get protection and learn to use it correctly or you shouldn't stick it into vaginas you don't want to give birth to your children. The amount of misogyny is this thread is sickening, really.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

She doesn't have to though, because she has a choice. Like even putting aside abortion, she could literally just put the child up for adoption.

But she choose to keep it and is actively taking care of it unlike the father who just wants to run away. I don't mind picking up the tab for her but not a lazy father who refused to use protection and just a get out of jail free card.

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"the mother has multiple options to pick if she feels she does not want the responsibility of raising a child, while the father has none."

Please actually read. Why do you keep trying to steer this into completely different issues?

The father does it's called wearing protection, vetting his partners, and not having sex if he is not capable of raising a child.

[Clone]

What's to stopmen from saying they want the abortion just to avoid paying?

[petej0]

What's to stopmen from saying they want the abortion just to avoid paying?

Well, if the man truly wanted children he would want to pay child support.

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The father does it's called wearing protection, vetting his partners, and not having sex if he is not capable of raising a child.

The woman has the responsibility. Just because she has the power to choose abortion does not absolve her of the responsibility of choosing a good partner, one that will leave her a single mother.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Well, if the man truly wanted children he would want to pay child support.

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The woman has the responsibility. Just because she has the power to choose abortion does not absolve her of the responsibility of choosing a good partner, one that will leave her a single mother.

I know and she now has to take a care of a child with less support those are the consequence. Taking care of a child and working a job isn't easy, I know women who finished college while working and taking care of children.

A child can slow down your life massively. It's not fun or an easy job especially if you want to raise a child well with no money. All women who've aborted chidlren have gotten ptsd from it. It's not consequence free.

[xskarma]

Since this thread has devolved into gender issue discussions and some terrible posting I'm closing this here.



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