Irregular arrivals to the EU, 2007-2018

[Machismo]

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about, but I'll break it down simply enough for even you to understand. What is the practical difference, if any, between a market completely controlled by government edicts and legislation or by a corporate monopoly? A free market is indeed not completely overseen by a governmental body, but labour and the consumer are also on a fair footing with capital and the supplier. Without choice of the consumer or freedom of the supplier you don't have competition and you don't have a free market.



Did you? Not wanting to import en masse an ideology that has attacked me and caused major trouble for my Muslim friends isn't nationalism. I'm exceedingly happy that we do have the variety of people and cultures that we have in the U.K, and I'd like to see them thrive, mingle and make something greater, it's something cultures just do. Some cultures however are incompatible with tolerance, freedom of thought, democracy and all that other good shit.

And you are actively trying to limit that free market. That's what restrictions to immigration do, they limit competition within the marketplace. Welcome to the conversation.

You are citing nationalism, and saying it's not nationalism... The greatest irony, is that you are seeking to restrict freedom of thought.

[Deleted]

You mean, aside from the masses of documentation from independent sources, the numerous terrorist attacks that have occurred with almost monthly frequency in Europe and others? How about this a constantly updated and verified map of migrant crime in Germany: https://www.refcrime.info/en/Crime/Map

Look around and take your pick man.

That's not what I said. Can you provide numbers that show a significant procentual increase of violent crimes in all nations that have received refugees and prove that this significant procentual increase is only and directly the result of more refugees?

[Vathoren]

And you are actively trying to limit that free market. That's what restrictions to immigration do, they limit competition within the marketplace. Welcome to the conversation.

How are you this dense? Labour has to be on an equal footing with Capital. If Capital can import more Labour when it chooses, the collective bargaining power of Labour is lowered and Capital has an advantage. That is not a free market. Please leave the conversation and go read for a bit.

You are citing nationalism, and saying it's not nationalism... The greatest irony, is that you are seeking to restrict freedom of thought.

Yes, because I don't want religious fundamentalists imposing their laughably medieval ideas on others, it's me who wants to restrict freedom of thought. Get the fuck outta here.

[Machismo]

How are you this dense? Labour has to be on an equal footing with Capital. If Capital can import more Labour when it chooses, the collective bargaining power of Labour is lowered and Capital has an advantage. That is not a free market. Please leave the conversation and go read for a bit.



Yes, because I don't want religious fundamentalists imposing their laughably medieval ideas on others, it's me who wants to restrict freedom of thought. Get the fuck outta here.

And that is the free market. Period. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it any less so. In there is a demand for labor, and you seek to restrict the supply via government force... a restriction of the free markets.

Like I said, you are pushing nationalism. You don't want others to impose their ideas on you, but you want to impose your ideas on them... got it.

[Vathoren]

And that is the free market. Period. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it any less so. In there is a demand for labor, and you seek to restrict the supply via government force... a restriction of the free markets.

You can insist that all you like and you can still be completely wrong. I've tried to explain it in the simplest of terms, but you don't want to learn.

Like I said, you are pushing nationalism. You don't want others to impose their ideas on you, but you want to impose your ideas on them... got it.

Impose my ideas on them......? You mean like me moving to say, Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia and start promoting gay marriage? Or perhaps you mean not putting up with a bullshit Sharia patrol accosting me in Stepney Green? Or not wanting my Muslim friends to be harassed and accosted in their own Mosque because they're the "wrong sort of Muslim"? If these people want to practice being fundamental Islamists by themselves, sure, they can go right ahead, but you fail to understand that a guiding principle of fundamentalist Islam is spreading it and imposing it on others.

Keep spamming whatever automated line you want to man. You don't want to think or engage, you're a waste of my time.

[AeneasBK]

Strange. I was under the impression that the filthy Muslim invasion was going to be perpetual until they supplanted the native population with their inexhaustible horde. And now you're trying to tell me it was a temporary situation caused by specific geopolitical events? Inconceivable.

I, too, am wondering why I haven't becomne an ethnic minority in my own country; lord knows there were enough posters here telling me it was all part of Soros' Final Solution.

[Machismo]

You can insist that all you like and you can still be completely wrong. I've tried to explain it in the simplest of terms, but you don't want to learn.



Impose my ideas on them......? You mean like me moving to say, Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia and start promoting gay marriage? Or perhaps you mean not putting up with a bullshit Sharia patrol accosting me in Stepney Green? Or not wanting my Muslim friends to be harassed and accosted in their own Mosque because they're the "wrong sort of Muslim"? If these people want to practice being fundamental Islamists by themselves, sure, they can go right ahead, but you fail to understand that a guiding principle of fundamentalist Islam is spreading it and imposing it on others.

Keep spamming whatever automated line you want to man. You don't want to think or engage, you're a waste of my time.

You can explain it all you want, that doesn't make you any less wrong.

You are pushing nationalism, and fighting against the free markets. Once again, your progressive beliefs make the opposition to the free markets a no-brainer. Your realization that you are opposing the free markets is clearly lacking. You want the government to prevent the movement of labor, you are trying to restrict the marketplace and competition for labor... by limiting the supply of that labor.

As for your nationalistic beliefs, that is plain as day. You want to forcefully keep people out, and practice thought policing.

[Alteiry]

Strange. I was under the impression that the filthy Muslim invasion was going to be perpetual until they supplanted the native population with their inexhaustible horde. And now you're trying to tell me it was a temporary situation caused by specific geopolitical events? Inconceivable.

They ran out of Syrias to bomb.

[Cizr]

Back to normal? Stopping illegal immigration would be better

[Machismo]

The worst about this is, that people like you will never realize how big a part of the problem that is the extreme far right are.

Oh, I'm well aware of how big a problem the far right are in Europe. The spread of nationalism and fascism is a cancer.

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Back to normal? Stopping illegal immigration would be better

Make it legal, problem solved.

[Vathoren]

You can explain it all you want, that doesn't make you any less wrong.

You are pushing nationalism, and fighting against the free markets. Once again, your progressive beliefs make the opposition to the free markets a no-brainer. Your realization that you are opposing the free markets is clearly lacking. You want the government to prevent the movement of labor, you are trying to restrict the marketplace and competition for labor... by limiting the supply of that labor.

As for your nationalistic beliefs, that is plain as day. You want to forcefully keep people out, and practice thought policing.

Markets controlled by Capital are free.
Wanting people to live and believe as they see fit without violent opposition is thought policing.
You are a progressive Nationalist.
Freedom is slavery. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.

Machismo#32547896 NPC is firing on all cylinders folks.

[Machismo]

Markets controlled by Capital are free.
Wanting people to live and believe as they see fit without violent opposition is thought policing.
You are a progressive Nationalist.
Freedom is slavery. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.

Machismo#32547896 NPC is firing on all cylinders folks.

And yet, how do you propose to keep people out who have beliefs and thoughts that you don't like?

[Dhrizzle]

Well, the room is still flooded, you've just turned off the taps.

Let's be realistic, there's still a bit of a puddle and we turned off the taps.

[Ryme]

Let's be realistic, there's still a bit of a puddle and we turned off the taps.

Yeah I was being hyperbolic.

[Deleted]

Well that's certainly nice to see.

[Machismo]

You're either willingly misunderstanding or really that dense / incapable of grasping a sentence's meaning. I just can't say anymore.

Well, you said:

"The worst about this is, that people like you will never realize how big a part of the problem that is the extreme far right are."

Now, take a look at it, and see if there's some things you can do to fix the structure.

[Deleted]

Well, the room is still flooded, you've just turned off the taps.

Flooded? O.5% extra people?

Really?

[Cizr]

Oh, I'm well aware of how big a problem the far right are in Europe. The spread of nationalism and fascism is a cancer.

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Make it legal, problem solved.

Make murders legal too while you are at it. No wait! Make everything legal! Now there is no crime at all. Genius!

[Machismo]

Make murders legal too while you are at it. No wait! Make everything legal! Now there is no crime at all. Genius!

Well, you said you wanted to stop illegal immigration, I offered a very easy way to do it. It save billions, and allows for more freedom. You seem to want to oppose both principles. Also, the act of illegal immigration does not harm others, unlike murder.

Methinks that this is really about something else for you... like ethno-nationalism.

[Ryme]

Flooded? O.5% extra people?

Really?

I was being a bit hyperbolic, the point I'm getting at is that mass migration is still there, you can't just walk away from it because the current flow is back to normal.