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    Quote Originally Posted by arr0gance View Post
    This is the kind of player who would suggest that you're not playing real Vanilla WoW if you're not trying to run it on a Pentium III with Windows XP.
    Don't forget dial up 56k modems... in 2004 ~50% of Americans were still using dial up. I don't recall when my folks got it. But I do remember playing on dial up, and having my parents pissed at me for tying up the phone line. I don't remember the date exactly, but we got DSL as soon as it was available in our area. I had been playing for a while though at that point. I definitely remember raiding MC and having shitty connection problems and disconnects, not only for myself, but for other guildies also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I'm just saying it'll have a record number of people playing the first month, but people will cry about the quality of life changes within the first 24 hours. After a month of most people not reaching the max level, they will quit.
    I definitely agree that by a month, Classic will have shed the dead weight of people who don't belong there.

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    Unfortunately there will be many players who WON'T like Classic or who will play for a while and then quit before getting to 60. But there will be many who DO stay and play. so the leveling experience will weed out the weak, basically, with only the most dedicated staying to play Classic when they could just go back to Retail.

    so I don't see it as a problem.

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    I used thotbott plus a map marker in vanilla. That's it. Anyone who wants to play Classic without addons will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    Because this totally needed to be a topic, instead of added to one of the thousand other 'changes for classic??????????' topics.

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    I have never used 30 addons. Where do you need 30 addons to play this game?

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    I raided all content in vanilla and I never had 30 addons. Vanilla is perfectly playable, and might just not be for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    Add-ons aren't a problem. If you can use the old API for add-ons it will even be easier than today because you had things like decursive, other raid markers, raid markers that would be triggered by boss ablities and so on. Equipping different items and managing sets also isn't a problem because add-ons like outifitter did work back then. A lot of QoL improvements we have today were seperate add-ons back then that everyone was using so Blizzard just copied then and put them in the game. The old add-on API was broken and you could automate a lot of things. Even in classic Blizzard had to cut some functions from the API because it broke the game or made it too easy. Also today we know so much more about what we can do with the API than back then. Like automated raid markers were discovered in WotLK but were possible back in classic and combined with DBM made raid encounters a lot easier to a point that Blizzard cut that function.

    What will be different is the pace of the game. Leveling took a lot longer and fights in general took longer with your breaks in between to eat and drink something. Also inventory space will be a problem. Maximum bag size was like 20 slots and as a hunter you needed a quiver and as a warlock you needed better have a bag for soulshards. Also slow riding skill at lvl 40 if you can afford it and going back into a city after each level up to learn a new or upgraded version of a skill.

    Everything takes more time and makes the game in general slower. Searching a group could take hours and depending on the build they'll use you can't even port people because summoning stones were added later. Also lots of group quests and high level zones with packs of 3-5 mobs that you probably can't kill by yourself. Classic forced you to socialise and make friends or join a guild because if you didn't there was a lot of content that you couldn't do which includes simply questing in specific zones.

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    This is a very simple fix. All blizzard needs to do is update the API. this will allow addon writers to create an all-in-one addon that gives all of the benefits of live wow. People have been backporting popular addons like elvui for a while to classic, but its difficult because of how primitive the api is.

    Fix this, and people will write the addons to better your individual experience, while allowing purists to play a completely vanilla experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Jackdaws View Post
    I'm strongly agreeing with this...

    It's the very reason why I and most people I know already made up their minds not to touch Classic with a ten foot pole. Not even making this up, not trolling, not trying to rile people up... just the honest truth, everyone I know and play the game with have a very strong "fuck that shit" opinion about Classic, and the main reasons given are indeed the lack of all the quality of life changes and remembering just how basic the gameplay and mechanics were back then...

    I have no hat in this race though, if it does well, all the better.

    But I'm extremely skeptical.
    When you see how many people play Classic, you will play Classic, then you will probably complain about classic (along with other people) and attempt to ruin classic. This is the circle of life.

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    I don't recall needing that many addons in Vanilla, just a few. As a hunter I had one Feed'O'Matic, Baggon (or something like it), Xperl (or something like it), Fishing Buddy, Bartender (or something like it), a swing timer for when I could move between auto-shots, a range finder, and a Peggle/Minesweeper/Pinball addon for long flights.

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    Did only use something like bartender/bongos, mail addon, decursive, atlasloot, casting bar, skada, lazypig and bossmods. Can go up to 30+ but not needed for end game content in order to be successful.

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    every bit of this is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    Yup, that's a great point actually.
    Calling it unplayable is not fair though. Don't make outlandish claims like that, it harms your position.

    However, I do feel like this should be noted. People have done some pretty big addon overhauls in Classic including options for modern logging and data collection and a questhelper like addon that effectively tells you everything you need to do to level.

    Ironically, most of the "Quality of Life" changes that came to the live game were addons first.
    If people REALLY want classic, they wouldn't be using these modern addons.

    However, they probably WONT be, because obviously they will need to be redeveloped for the new classic client and that may take a large amount of time, or simply never happen if the addon authors are no longer interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    All this classic nonsense must end.

    Classic was immersive and rewarding but not that complex.

    Just play with macros and time your stuff.

    Players knew the distances from mobs and abilitys just by instintc already. If you were a good player ofc.

    Stuff like changing forms for druids could be called a mini game by today standards.

    It was all part of the skill set in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    Oh look.... another utterly useless "I don't like X thing personally therefore it shouldn't exist and everyone else should dislike it too" posts.

    /yawn

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    I am for no changes, but I won't be surprised if things like auto dismount and the current tab targetting make it into classic. They're probably going to use the retail client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONCHEhap View Post
    If you need addons to play vanilla,maybe you just suck at the game tbh,you don't need addons to play even in mythic raids today
    And you need them even less to play Vanilla
    Then you don't play the game at the highest level. You don't need addons but Blizzard balances all the encounters assuming you have them. The people who always say addons are a crutch are the same people who die to the stupid stuff that a simple addon would fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Goodman View Post
    I have never used 30 addons. Where do you need 30 addons to play this game?
    Why not? Some people aren't satisfied with the default UI and want to customize it. Blizzard allowed us to do this so taking advantage of it doesn't mean they are necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    How horrible... folks demanded vanilla, they should get vanilla. Good and bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    Absolutely, I do I really do believe you started in 2005, but you just level'd I doubt you got to 60 before TBC and if you did I doubt you ever even cleared UBRS let alone got attuned to MC or BWL

    Vanilla wow had no mechanics, saying players won't be able to transition from a 5-6 button rotation to 2 is dumb. Saying people won't be able to transition from 10 mechanics to 1 is dumb. You never did anything. Go away

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    Short answer for a useless post. Classic is not for people who never played it. They can try it but it's not target to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenthovind View Post
    Before you get your pichforks, I started WoW in summer of 2005 and have played retail ever since.

    WoW has gotten a lot of quality of life changes over the years, things we take for granted now but have gotten used to, such as autodismount, shiftclicking on equipped items to replace items, stuff like that.

    Vanilla WoW is will be damn near impossible to transition to for people used to the convinient new non-gameplay systems. How do I know that? Because people use like 30 addons to make vanilla wow "playable".

    People who raid on a competetive level use like 30 addons lul. Should blizz update life quality changes for the things that people use addons for anyway?
    People will adapt easily.
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