More Honduran migrants seek to join U.S.-bound caravan in Guatemala

[Dextroden]

And years of US meddling in South America bears fruit.

There's nothing wrong with meddling. That's why it was only a war crime when Russia did it.

[Thage]

There's nothing wrong with meddling. That's why it was only a war crime when Russia did it.

Running dick-first into a situation, fucking everything up, then being surprised when everything's fucked up and calling foul when people come here looking for a fresh start and better future seems a bit myopic, don't you think?

I also like the "what about Russia?!" like that's relevant to my point (which was, US keeps fucking things up and acts surprised when the people whose governments they crippled come here for a better life, since the one back home's that of a third-world hellhole).

edit: Here is some helpful reading on the matter, especially the Cold War section, that pretty clearly set the world stage in Latin America and why things are so utterly fucked down there (hint: it's the same reason things have been utterly fucked in the Middle East and remain so: proxy wars, covert ops, and sloppy military action leaving power vacuums or propped-up puppet governments).

[NED funded]

Sweet. I haven't, so....

Machismo is not principled. The man calls himself a conservative while saying conservatives are authoritarian socialists is the biggest warning sign.

Also, big talk from no borders, no laws.

Not talking about you. Sulla was an avid supporter of Roy Moore.

[Dextroden]

Running dick-first into a situation, fucking everything up, then being surprised when everything's fucked up and calling foul when people come here looking for a fresh start and better future seems a bit myopic, don't you think?

I also like the "what about Russia?!" like that's relevant to my point (which was, US keeps fucking things up and acts surprised when the people whose governments they crippled come here for a better life, since the one back home's that of a third-world hellhole).

People had all sorts of time to care about this shit. But, just like with invterventions in the middle East, people are full of shit when it comes to hating this kind of stuff.

[Deficineiron]

Show up at a port of entry and make a claim. Not sneak across the Rio, knowing they don't qualify for asylum, and cry foul when we take their children from them and send them back where they belong. Crossing our borders illegally is a crime, we don't have to let them enter. If you disagree, take it up with your representative to change the law. If you think Trump isn't going to start locking these people up again, you're gravely mistaken.

I assume this whole show is timed for the detention photos to start appearing the weekend before the election. Presumably the photos have already been taken and they just need some folks to show up and be detained.

will it work? Photo manipulation has quite a bit of potential even when you know they are manipulating you.

[Dextroden]

I assume this whole show is timed for the detention photos to start appearing the weekend before the election. Presumably the photos have already been taken and they just need some folks to show up and be detained.

will it work? Photo manipulation has quite a bit of potential even when you know they are manipulating you.

They already fucked that up by posting an Obama era picture and trying to blame Trump for it.

[Deficineiron]

A lot of people in this thread want no borders. So I'm sure they'd be fine with no doors on their houses or bedrooms either. It's all community property right?

I doubt it is possible to determine it, but how many of those wanting no borders are US citizens?

[Independent voter]

Running dick-first into a situation, fucking everything up, then being surprised when everything's fucked up and calling foul when people come here looking for a fresh start and better future seems a bit myopic, don't you think?

I also like the "what about Russia?!" like that's relevant to my point (which was, US keeps fucking things up and acts surprised when the people whose governments they crippled come here for a better life, since the one back home's that of a third-world hellhole).

edit: Here is some helpful reading on the matter, especially the Cold War section, that pretty clearly set the world stage in Latin America and why things are so utterly fucked down there (hint: it's the same reason things have been utterly fucked in the Middle East and remain so: proxy wars, covert ops, and sloppy military action leaving power vacuums or propped-up puppet governments).

Why do you leftists always blame the US? The Cold War happened between 1945 and 1990, the US versus the Soviets. We won the Cold War, we're still here and they're all gone. Everything the US did during that period was in reaction to the Soviets.

A Southern American country would get ready to convert to communism, we'd take the non-communist side which was usually the military, Church and business people of a South American country. Mostly what we did is provide money, they did the rest. Yes we had favorites, the non-communist side.

[Deficineiron]

They already fucked that up by posting an Obama era picture and trying to blame Trump for it.

did the outlet that posted the photo in print every admit it to their readers?

at this point americans are almost getting news customized for particular biases from various outlets and I don't see why one cannot use bogus photos and simply never admit it, as many of their viewers avoid news sources that might tell them that otherwise.

[Tabrotar]

If the issues is that the crossing is illegal, make it legal. Simple fix if you ask me.

So if the problem to something is that it´s illegal we should just make it leagal?

So you would be ok with making killing people legal or making theft legal as well then hm?

[NED funded]

So if the problem to something is that it´s illegal we should just make it leagal?

So you would be ok with making killing people legal or making theft legal as well then hm?

No because there are other reasons why murder is bad besides it being illegal.

[Dextroden]

No because there are other reasons why murder is bad besides it being illegal.

You're right. We should focus on the better comparison. Like theft and trespassing.

There's nothing wrong with entering people's homes without consent, right? And I'm sure those hondourans wouldn't be massive hypocrites if someone went into their house and declared they lived there and couldn't be removed.

[Theodarzna]

Evidence on that happening in the US?? True that economic assimilation slowed but that is more of a product of deteriorating conditions for low skill workers. Adjust for that and immigrants are catching up to natives super quick.

Conditions for low skilled workers are bad, so lets import an unlimited number of low skilled workers..... I guess cause they make spicy food or something, idk.

[Dextroden]

Conditions for low skilled workers are bad, so lets import an unlimited number of low skilled workers..... I guess cause they make spicy food or something, idk.

No. Because they work for pennies on the dollar.

Now let's complain how businesses who can't pay living wages deserve to fail but defend American agriculture for doing just that. As long as apples and Apples are cheap, poor worker treatment is the tops.

[EnclosedOne]

if they won't come the legal way then pack them up and ship them back to whatever place they came from, i only wish we would do this for those already here illegally

[Thage]

Why do you leftists always blame the US? The Cold War happened between 1945 and 1990, the US versus the Soviets. We won the Cold War, we're still here and they're all gone. Everything the US did during that period was in reaction to the Soviets.

A Southern American country would get ready to convert to communism, we'd take the non-communist side which was usually the military, Church and business people of a South American country. Mostly what we did is provide money, they did the rest. Yes we had favorites, the non-communist side.

Why do we blame the US for doing shitty things when the US does shitty things like waging proxy wars, arming religious zealots, and cutting opportunistic deals with drug cartels, and call the US out when we're in turn surprised that our actions have long-term ramifications?

I mean, it's almost like major world events don't happen in a bubble and have long-term effects, and time doesn't absolve one of responsibility for their part in setting up the dominos.

[igualitarist]

Why do you leftists always blame the US? The Cold War happened between 1945 and 1990, the US versus the Soviets. We won the Cold War, we're still here and they're all gone. Everything the US did during that period was in reaction to the Soviets.

A Southern American country would get ready to convert to communism, we'd take the non-communist side which was usually the military, Church and business people of a South American country. Mostly what we did is provide money, they did the rest. Yes we had favorites, the non-communist side.

I thank USA wholeheartedly for helping us in 1964

[Machismo]

if they won't come the legal way then pack them up and ship them back to whatever place they came from, i only wish we would do this for those already here illegally

Make it legal, then you have no problem.

[ParanoiD84]

I can see them wanting to leave that shitty place, highest murder rates on this planet. Just hope they dont bring that shit into the us, or more seeing as most ms 13 members are from there and el salvador.

[Shaderas]

Sweet. I haven't, so....

Machismo is not principled. The man calls himself a conservative while saying conservatives are authoritarian socialists is the biggest warning sign.

Also, big talk from no borders, no laws.

IIRC he calls himself a Libertarian