What timegate is acceptable for the Premium Specific Azerite Piece?

[Darknessvamp]

It really shouldn't be weekly time-gated or anything of the like. It should be based on how dedicated a player is on getting the piece e.g. if they focused on farming high level mythics non-stop they would be able to get it within the week. Basically effort put into getting the piece should be worth more than waiting and the weekly mythic chest should be there to support them towards their goal and to be a boon to those who don't want to farm mythics endlessly. So I guess playing timeframe one week or less for people seriously going for a piece and one-two weeks for random and two-three weeks for specific for people playing casually and banking on the chest boosts more.

[Deleted]

It really shouldn't be weekly time-gated or anything of the like. It should be based on how dedicated a player is on getting the piece e.g. if they focused on farming high level mythics non-stop they would be able to get it within the week. Basically effort put into getting the piece should be worth more than waiting and the weekly mythic chest should be there to support them towards their goal and to be a boon to those who don't want to farm mythics endlessly. So I guess playing timeframe one week or less for people seriously going for a piece and two-three weeks for people playing casually and banking on the chest boosts more.

But Blizzard already said it will take around 2-3 weeks to buy the random version.
So the specific will probably take even more than that.

[chooi]

Assuming a current M10 weekly chest for 385 Azerite pieces I think that 1 week for a random piece and 2 weeks for a specific piece is reasonable. But I think they will go for 2 weeks random piece, 3-4 weeks specific piece.

[Makorus]

People got this notion that this is anything but bad-luck protection and their intended way to gear.

It's not. It's supposed to take long.

[McFuu]

It's important to remember that this will be a 385 piece, after the ilvl cap increases into the 400s. That being said, 1 1/2 to 3 weeks. Depends on how much of this currency scrapping gives you.

[Powell]

Again they said "LONG term for TOP players." so yes maybe, again this my interpretation based on the 2-3 week to be able to purchase token based around your ilvl gear you would be getting.

The rewards will scale with new content patch.
Long term might just mean that its for players that primarily do M+ and have something to look forward to during the entire expansion.

[tacoloco]

1-2 weeks for one piece of BiS, anything more is ridiculous and blatantly trying to artificially extend lifespan (which they definitely would never do for an expansion as weak as this one right)

1-2 weeks for *BiS*. Yeah. No.

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It's not. It's supposed to take long.

Yep.

And without any guarantee that someone will ever get the item they want.

[Deleted]

Yep.

And without any guarantee that someone will ever get the item they want.

Its guaranteed!
The specific azerite piece is guaranteed!

Now all that matters is how much time it will take.

For me the acceptable is 2 months of farm.
3 months becomes...something crazy
More than that....forget it.

[Spike`]

Its RNG Blizzard,

expect no less than 1 month or even 1 month and 1-2 weeks for 1 item

they need you to get subbed for at least 3.5-4 months for their beautiful quarter report every 3 months

and its easy to confirm with the random Azerite Armor taking 2-3 weeks to get phrase, dont believe will be 3 weeks for premium so 4 weeks or more

[protip]

If the idea is that we can mix and match, or use different pieces for different situations, this gear should take no longer than two weeks per piece to acquire. For PvP, for a single spec, you are likely to want 2-3 different pieces per slot to be effective with and against different comps. For PvE you would likely need different gear for 5 man vs raid content. How long should it really take to get the best gear for all of those situations? Even two weeks per piece means that for a single spec it would take 3-5 months of consistent play to get the best gear even if you only PvE or PvP. If it was to take any longer, it would be literally impossible to gear for multiple specs at a high level even for one aspect of the game, because the patch cycle would run faster than the gearing process.

[Deleted]

If the idea is that we can mix and match, or use different pieces for different situations, this gear should take no longer than two weeks per piece to acquire. For PvP, for a single spec, you are likely to want 2-3 different pieces per slot to be effective with and against different comps. For PvE you would likely need different gear for 5 man vs raid content. How long should it really take to get the best gear for all of those situations? Even two weeks per piece means that for a single spec it would take 3-5 months of consistent play to get the best gear even if you only PvE or PvP. If it was to take any longer, it would be literally impossible to gear for multiple specs at a high level even for one aspect of the game, because the patch cycle would run faster than the gearing process.

That is an acceptable train of thought...

But Blizzard already said it will take 2-3 weeks to get the random version. random!
So the "premium"...will be a scary amount of time.
Probably...not sure. By the way it was phrased like "long term goal" and such.

[Darknessvamp]

But Blizzard already said it will take around 2-3 weeks to buy the random version.
So the specific will probably take even more than that.

Yes I know but you were asking what would be acceptable. I mean at the moment their proposed system only rewards the currency from the chest scaling based on your highest mythic run and scrapping/disenchanting Azerite gear which pretty much means the chest is going to be a lump sum and Azerite gear will give barely anything. So the time-gate is as a result of waiting for the following week to even get the currency and basically binning any other piece of Azerite gear you can randomly get. What I was proposing is playing the game to get the prize rather than ticking the requirement and wait till next week to do the same.

Its guaranteed!
The specific azerite piece is guaranteed!

Now all that matters is how much time it will take.

For me the acceptable is 2 months of farm.
3 months becomes...something crazy
More than that....forget it.

Well take into account how wildly they seem to be nerfing/buffing the Azerite traits and lets extrapolate that they'll probably do it more in the future and imagine working for two months towards the guaranteed premium piece you've identified as your BiS and you finally have it and... they decide to nerf the hell out of it because DHs are benefiting too much from it. How acceptable is that grind then?

[Deleted]

I think 6 weeks is a perfectly acceptable time to get 3 out of the 15 pieces of BiS gear, yes.

Well yeah, 6 weeks is more than 1 month...which is a lot of time.
But with the information we already have...it seems to be more.

2 months for me is the break deal.

3 months...i will get depressed.

More than that? Forget about it. Sadness is all that is left

[Ealyssa]

3-4 times longer would be fine IMO. So arround 2 months for a specific 385 piece.

You gear with random until fully geared, then you may target specifics.

Pretty much like what they did with legiondaries right at then end of Legion.

[Deleted]

Well take into account how wildly they seem to be nerfing/buffing the Azerite traits and lets extrapolate that they'll probably do it more in the future and imagine working for two months towards the guaranteed premium piece you've identified as your BiS and you finally have it and... they decide to nerf the hell out of it because DHs are benefiting too much from it. How acceptable is that grind then?

Yeah, DH's got butt sexed.
I felt it.

Just so you know, i am the biggest fan of the Azerite System. I love the customization.
So it will feel like a slap in the face if they only reward Mythic raiders and leave us casuals in the dirt with 6 months to get all 3 pieces.

[Raetary]

1 piece of gear? Better be less than 1 week.

the currency drops from the mythic chest and scrapping azerite pieces.


so unless you just scrap an immense amount of azerite gear, there is no way of getting an item in less than a week.

[Deleted]

Except you could get enough essences to buy a legendary in a matter of days, not 2 months

Yeah @Ealyssa. Where did you get the 2 months from legendaries?
It was 1-2 weeks.

[FlubberPuddy]

If the idea is that we can mix and match, or use different pieces for different situations, this gear should take no longer than two weeks per piece to acquire. For PvP, for a single spec, you are likely to want 2-3 different pieces per slot to be effective with and against different comps. For PvE you would likely need different gear for 5 man vs raid content. How long should it really take to get the best gear for all of those situations? Even two weeks per piece means that for a single spec it would take 3-5 months of consistent play to get the best gear even if you only PvE or PvP. If it was to take any longer, it would be literally impossible to gear for multiple specs at a high level even for one aspect of the game, because the patch cycle would run faster than the gearing process.

Most of your comment has to do with PvP in which they said

We recognize that PvPers want more options and choice too. We're talking about that separately.

So for right now the system is in place for PvE side of things, and more particularly M+. Since Raids offer more chances at getting Raid specific Azerite gear. Raids themselves also offer more loot sharing options for Azerite gear over M+ (since absolutely no Azerite gear drops from M+ runs thus no sharing).

To me I think it depends on whether they still cap the currency at a certain keystone level which will determine the length of time needed to get that BiS M+ piece (A M+ team that can push 15/16+s shouldn't be held back in currency by those running only a 10+ for the week).

But honestly, if they're saying that it should take 2-3 weeks to get the random ilvl pieces appropriate to the keys you're running AND the specific 385 is "long term goals for top players" then logically that'd mean it'll take >3 weeks of M+ runs.

But it being your BiS means you will "only be required" to do it 3x at most (or 6x if you're specifically trying to worry about single-target/aoe situations as DPS) for most peeps.

I'm thinking it will probably take 4-6 weeks per BiS piece just deducing from what they've said IF they've placed a cap per week on the currency amount.

And from their line of thinking, it appears you should be aiming for BiS if you know you're sticking to one role whereas it'll probably be more worth it for those that are trying to engage in multiple roles on the fly to purchase the cheaper random boxes.

But we recognize that with six or more options per slot, this may still not be enough control for high-end players who want to be able to work towards a specific piece that perfectly complements their build.

This goes in line with Ion saying that he wants those commit to one role to get some reward from that vs those that are trying to play multiple roles.

[Thorbalt]

the currency drops from the mythic chest and scrapping azerite pieces.


so unless you just scrap an immense amount of azerite gear, there is no way of getting an item in less than a week.

they also said the currency will only scrap from items dropped after patch hits

[Deleted]

It doesnt matter this change will still be shit blizzard need work more to provide less stupid RNG