Returned to Wow, wanted a void elf, but nope, rep grind first..

[Satelliteyears0o]

No. It's moronic that a returning player has to go back to the other expansion to create a playable race. I get mounts etc. but not the most important part of an RPG.

I'd do the same as the OP and request a refund.

My friend who I invited back did the same - he saw that he could be a cool elf now in the horde but nope - had to grind. And he's not the kind of player who grinds... unfortunate.

its about high time he get to it then and stop being such a wimp.

[Deleted]

"man I wish they would use the whole world instead of just the areas from the latest expansion"

"what do you mean I have to do content from an old area ??"

If you played back then, then you already have the races.if you didn't, think of it as a new quest, not outdated content.

But then logic has nothing to do in this conversation so why do I even try.

[Soon-TM]

NEW RAID - Siege of Dalaran!!

Recover the magical city from its void-corrupted rulers, and prevent N'Zoth from claiming its vast arcane knowledge as his own! Defeat the echoes of some of the most powerful archmages Azeroth has ever known, along with the newly arrived Old Gods' minions! Stroll around the great city's main district, sewers, catacombs, and magical prisons! Make yourself worthy to the great Rhonin's successors and claim your prize!

(Deep into the fine print)

Requires Exalted status with Kirin Tor

Am I doing it fine?

[Dejiko]

Let`s not pretend the process to unlock AR is anything but unintuitive.
Do you feel closer to unlocking the races when your reputation goes from neutral-friendly-honored and so on?
Sure you can look at the rep bar and see that it`s going up but does your relationship with the void elves feel better?

I imagine it`s a strange experience for someone returning to the game after quitting in either MoP or WoD and entering into BFA with the
intention of say playing a blood elf model on the alliance side after having read up that it`s a possibility.
Though i`m not immersed in the lore and such but it feels really strange that none of the new races can be a death knight,
i think they could introduce some by creating new introduction cinematics,
making the short summary of your character story up until you`re raised in the Acherus race-specific.

[Bathory]

"Earn the respect" by grinding rep for a completely different faction that has nothing at all to do with void elves? Yes, that's very clear what it means.

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But you never rep up with the void elves. They don't have a rep faction.

Neither do Mag'har or Dark Iron for that matter. You have to grind reps that are completely unrelated to them.

Well, that IS the void elf rep. Tying Mag'har + Dark Iron though behind rep, I think is silly.

[Wyrt]

Well, that IS the void elf rep. Tying Mag'har + Dark Iron though behind rep, I think is silly.

No, no it isn't. Argussian Reach is the broken eredar rep, has nothing at all to do with void elves. Completely unrelated.

[Malix Farwin]

No, it's fine. There's a lot of races available, as well as a lot of content to go through. You don't need to play that specific race to play the game. That race is a reward, to earn a reward you need to work for it.

Its actually not fine. Maybe if the races were Legion races but just to be able to unlock them requires BFA which means that its BFA content. IT has set 2 precedents here, 1 is that its okay to put races behind a rep grind and 2 to put the grind in old xpac. In Legion people assumed the rep grind was only there until BfA content and allowed you to get the races early if you worked for them which would of been an amazing idea but now that BfA is out being forced to do Legion content for BfA rewards feels really bad and ive had those races unlocked since February.

[Taus]

Anyway, then there's the whole having to do content that has literally no challenge and you're just limited by world quest cooldowns from a previous expansion that is just a kick in the nuts for new or returning players

I'm honestly pretty pragmatic about the whole thing, but even I have to admit that this is what I consider to be the biggest problem with the whole thing. Stuff gated behind reps and a feature design that's obviously geared to keep people subbed and incentivize them to "complete" current content so they don't have to worry about this stuff? Fine. I get it. But let people focus their time and grind it out if they want to. Currently if you run out of WQs, you're done working on that for that day, no way to progress. I think this is fine for current reps but when people are working towards a goal in old content I can see how it's very frustrating.

[Bathory]

No, no it isn't. Argussian Reach is the broken eredar rep, has nothing at all to do with void elves. Completely unrelated.

I'm saying technically, as a means to unlock them, I'm aware they don't have one.

[Nuvuk]

You had 2 years for the horde allied races reps and 1 for the alliance, now they are cutting a week grind in half yet people are quitting because they want something handed to them. Everybody gets something, raiders get dungeons and raids, pvpers have bgs and arenas, the casuals have the open world.

[Shadowsgrace]

What do you mean by "least amount of work"? Is there a magical way to spawn more world quests players don't know about? Is there a secret dungeon that awards rep? Are there mobs that can be killed that give rep? Nope. Its all time gated, so no matter how much "work" player wants to do, time gating prevents player from "working".

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Does any of it require to play on completely different character instead of playing your main and meanwhile not being able to play latest content? Nope. So your comparison is invalid.

Quite often people will only do what they need to do, so while there is a point in the Questline that does unlock the WQ on Mac'Aree, there is more Questline after that, that can reward more rep. This is a step that some people, who don't want to do the work required to get some, skip.

[KaPe]

I'm honestly pretty pragmatic about the whole thing, but even I have to admit that this is what I consider to be the biggest problem with the whole thing. Stuff gated behind reps and a feature design that's obviously geared to keep people subbed and incentivize them to "complete" current content so they don't have to worry about this stuff? Fine. I get it. But let people focus their time and grind it out if they want to. Currently if you run out of WQs, you're done working on that for that day, no way to progress. I think this is fine for current reps but when people are working towards a goal in old content I can see how it's very frustrating.

What I don't understand is how some people claim this helps Blizzard keep people subscribed. Does anyone really go "I bought this new expansion, but I have to do outdated world quests before I can play one of the new races. I'd totally quit the game if I could roll a Void Elf immediately, being locked out of it for several weeks is MUCH MORE FUN!"

If anything, I'd expect them to go "I wanted to try a new race in new content, I'm not going to waste my time killing random demons, fuck that". What's the benefit here?

[Super Kami Dende]

You mean you have to do content in a game to unlock something?

Well damn.

They should've made it like every other Exalted Rep item like Mounts or Toys and made them instantly free and accessible the next expac.

Oh wait..

[KaPe]

You mean you have to do content in a game to unlock something?

Well damn.

They should've made it like every other Exalted Rep item like Mounts or Toys and made them instantly free and accessible the next expac.

Oh wait..

Yeah, just like Blood Elves required you to grind exalted with Argent Dawn back in Vanilla.

Oh wait...

[skannerz22]

wow it's almost as if blizzard didn't want it to be pay to win and wanted you to play the game to get it

[chrisnumbers]

I stomp my feet, kick and scream, whenever a company decides they want to try a new thing.
Why won't billion dollar companies do what I say?

[CaptainV]

wow it's almost as if blizzard didn't want it to be pay to win and wanted you to play the game to get it

Hey remember when I bought an expansion and the features were actually there when I bought it, like the Death knight, the draenei and blood elves, the goblins and worgen, the pandaren, the demon hunters.

Remember when I got something an expansion offered that I *paid* to attain?

I mean... its not even pay to win if, quite literally speaking, the only thing you get is basically a race with minimal customisation and very little racial benefits.

Honestly this argument annoys me from people that think a game you *PAY* for should have its features denied to you that it LITERALLY advertises as *available* from the get go.

Ever heard of misleading advertisement?

Blizzard literally states in BFA's content that allied races would be a feature, of course leaving out the part where you rep grind them, which is *misleading* sorry to say it.

Frankly, they should remove the rep requirement for the allied races and instead give you the racial mount/transmog based on you earning exalted with said faction instead.

[Naked Snake]

Hey remember when I bought an expansion and the features were actually there when I bought it, like the Death knight

You needed a level 55 character to create a Death Knight.

the demon hunters.

Level 70.

Remember when I got something an expansion offered that I *paid* to attain?

You get to play through all of the content.

You can go right to Kul Tiras and Zandalar. You can level your characters to level 120. You can do quests and dungeons.

Honestly this argument annoys me from people that think a game you *PAY* for should have its features denied to you that it LITERALLY advertises as *available* from the get go.

It doesn't deny its features to you. You have to unlock them through playing. In the same way that you have to get to max level before you can enter a raid. Does that mean the game denies you its content? What about mounts you get for exalted reputation with a faction? Is that content that is denied to you? Allied Races are unlocked with exalted reputation. Not any different than any other reward you get for exalted reputations.

Ever heard of misleading advertisement?

Blizzard literally states in BFA's content that allied races would be a feature, of course leaving out the part where you rep grind them, which is *misleading* sorry to say it.

It is a feature of BFA. That is not misleading advertising. Why would they put that information into advertising? That is way too much information and is totally unnecessary. Did you know beforehand that the races needed to be unlocked? Chances are, if you are browsing these forums, you did. 4 of the races were available prior to launch of BFA. People knew the process. It was also announced that the races needed to be unlocked.

Frankly, they should remove the rep requirement for the allied races and instead give you the racial mount/transmog based on you earning exalted with said faction instead.

I hope they don't. It would be unfair to those who have put in the effort to unlock them.

[Zorachus]

When Blood Elf's came in BC, did you have to grind old vanilla content to unlock them ? No

When Panda's and Monks came in MoP, did you have to grind old Cataclysm content first to unlock Panda's ? No.

When Demon Hunters came in Legion, did you have to grind old WoD content first to unlock them ? No.

[NihilSustinet]

After having a big break from Wow, I have returned and before purchase of bfa, I read all of new bfa features on official website, I subbed to play an allied race from scratch, but now I need to return to ols content and grind a slow reputation. The world objectives give like 150 and the respawn time is very slow. Thanks Blizzard

Requested bfa refund and sub , this is a shitty implementation post bfa launch.

came back to wow. wanted full epic gear, but nope. had to level and do content first.

Requested bfa refund and sub , this is a shitty implementation post bfa launch.

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Hey remember when I bought an expansion and the features were actually there when I bought it, like the Death knight, the draenei and blood elves, the goblins and worgen, the pandaren, the demon hunters.

Remember when I got something an expansion offered that I *paid* to attain?

I mean... its not even pay to win if, quite literally speaking, the only thing you get is basically a race with minimal customisation and very little racial benefits.

Honestly this argument annoys me from people that think a game you *PAY* for should have its features denied to you that it LITERALLY advertises as *available* from the get go.

Ever heard of misleading advertisement?

Blizzard literally states in BFA's content that allied races would be a feature, of course leaving out the part where you rep grind them, which is *misleading* sorry to say it.

Frankly, they should remove the rep requirement for the allied races and instead give you the racial mount/transmog based on you earning exalted with said faction instead.

so all content and features have to be openly available to all players upon launch with 0 effort? have you ever played an MMO?