I blocked Raider.io - who else is in the club?

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Sorry but it has nothing to do with raiding. All it has to do with is the ability to Zerg a timer. That isn't skill.

And now we know why you don't have a good IO score.

[Benitora]

I use it, but I don't really care about it's scoring system. I use it to track my own progress, don't really care about other people's, as I often don't pug.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

My point is that there isn't 0 room for error. I said 'Unless your groups damage output is super low there is quite a bit of room for error'
I didn't mean to make it sound trivial, because it certainly isn't.



But since you asked, sure
I can't post links apparently, so just take out the space
twitch. tv/videos/326295188
raider. io/characters/us/hyjal/Stubkill
01:10:00 - In the Siege we lost ~3 min to a botched pull, wiped on snipers, and nearly wiped because I made a bad call and still made time.
04:24:40 - In freehold we had to reset the first boss and still made time.

First of all: Nice runs! Kudos!
Second of all: You guys are all 18-20k DPS, bursting higher, which is a good bit more than the average group running keys.
So I guess it's all relative. I'm a pleb pushing out +10s, and I'm happy to have ONE player in group hitting your average numbers.

[Caprix]

First of all, "RIO is just a number" is a very stupid statement. RIO SCORE is just a number, but RIO itself is a very reasonable tool to track people's prior experience in the environment you're inviting them into. People who operate only on the score is as dumb as people who blindly hate on the site and addon.

Second, "You haven't curve and 1k rio? you are sux." Well, kinda true. Lets be honest, who have more chances to turn out a good player? A player with curve or a player without curve? I hope I don't need to explain it thoroughly.

Third, problem with top 500 runs is on a Blizzard's side. RIO devs can't really do anything about it. But if you're running pubs (if not, and you're only doing your own guild group then why are you even discussing it here) it's very easy to get proper score as it needs at least one player in a party from a lower populated server for all team to be scored.

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Pretty much. RIO is just a more convenient way to track your previous runs.

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I'm reading a lot of these RIO flaming threads and I honestly never heard at least one proper reason why it's bad.
Most of the time its something along the lines:
1) I don't have time, but I'm like the best player ever
2) I just want to do a weekly +10, but it's hard to find group because I'm lazy to do a lot of dungeons
3) LITERALLY CANCER ELITISM BULLSHIT

Sorry, but this mentality of "I would be a great carpenter or dancer if I wanted to do it, but just don't" doesn't work here. You can be a good player, but you can't be good in something you haven't done before - running specific dungeons in our case.

I'm not sure why you quote a post, then list "unproper reasons" that don't match what is outlined in said quoted post:
Raider.io doesn't work for low/mid key (up to timed 11 depending on server). "Blabla not their fault/play on reset/play with randoms from low pop servers". Doesn't change it plain and simple doesn't work for the guy who just plays the game and then is told he doesn't have the experience he actually has.

[HuxNeva]

I have 7/8M progress" or "i have several +13-15 keys in 3 dungeons

You do realize raider.io will show all of this, right?

[Battlebeard]

Raider.io and all logs site makes me sick, thank God for this option!

[Playintrafic]

And now we know why you don't have a good IO score.

I don't have a good io score because I don't do m+. I raid, I'm in a raiding guild not an m+ guild. I don't know if those are a thing. And I get the playstyle is appealing to some, however the hard part is the trash, once you know the route and the skips it becomes about racing the clock. The bosses are easier than trash. It didn't appeal to me in legion. It doesn't now. But in legion we didn't have people refusing you for raids because you didn't do keystones.

It's basically gearscore all over again.

[reauxmont]

Raider.io and all logs site makes me sick, thank God for this option!

Are you bad?

[ReD-EyeD]

I'm not sure why you quote a post, then list "unproper reasons" that don't match what is outlined in said quoted post:

Because it wasn't about the quote and it even had ---UPDATED--- underline?

[Tiwack]

It's by elitists for elitists, proceed with caution.

You have every right to interact and handle your data as you see fit.

[ReD-EyeD]

Raider.io and all logs site makes me sick, thank God for this option!

How does making your own logs private makes it better for you? Serious question.

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[Nizah]

Fuck Raider.io.
I did a Motherlode +8 and a Shrine of the Storm +8 hoping to be done with it and that crappy site score. Turns out Raider.io forgot I actually ran that content. At first I thought it just had to update the page still, but then I did a +10 ToS and it showed.
So I still have +5 both in Mother and Shrine listed there and I'd rather level another char to 120 than slog through them again.
If people are gonna regard a site like it's a Book of Truths, it better work.

do you even know its based on a leaderboards? jeez

[Enkrypt]

Sorry but it has nothing to do with raiding. All it has to do with is the ability to Zerg a timer. That isn't skill.

Your logic is that raids have mechanics? You don't think Mythic+ has mechanics? I see you said you don't do them, so what makes you think you have the knowledge to make a stupid comment like the one I quoted?

All raid bosses are is a repetitive set of mechanics that basically have to be memorized in unison before the boss can be killed. That isn't skill either, that's repetition. So what do you have to say to that?

[Battlebeard]

How does making your own logs private makes it better for you? Serious question.

Because I know myself and what I can do. 13 years of Rogue and always keeping up with whats new leaves a mark. Having said that, I do slack a lot, usually playing Hearthstone in the background when i raid (not raiding mythic atm), and logs tend to be unfair, they only show what I do regular runs where I tend to slack, and not what I CAN do when I focus.

And even if you don't play HS, everyone can have a bad day and if that get logged it's not fair.

People should listen to experience etc instead of logs. But they always take the easy way out and just look at numbers.


Making my logs private could result in 2 things, less invites or people will actually listen to me instead when I write them.

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Are you bad?

No, but I am tired of ignorant leaders. Have I done any M+ this expansion? Not much, no. Can I handle it anyway? Yes. Why? Cause I did +25 in Legion and boosted 100+ dungeons CM Gold in WoD and MoP as well as quite good personal times. I can handle dungeons with hard mobs and time pressure.

These things are still not pro in anyway, but certainly above avarage. Can I do a +10 BFA dungeon with my experience pre-BFA, OBVIOUSLY yes, but Raider.io only show current exp, like that would be more important than years of dungeon experience.

[glowpipe]

this thread and newbie like you are the reason we need elitism

newbies like me. Im not the one who need artificial scored groups to be able to finish keys in time.

[Naiyano]

Do I invite someone with no score at all or someone with 200 score? Well none of these two I guess but if I totally had to choose one I would take the 200 score player.

It's a solid option to never get invited or get invited to four other players that are even shittier than you are. Whatever floats your boat.

[Theangryone]

Sweet, bfa version of gearscore and talent inspection

[Zandara]

Being a casual doesn't mean you have to be a bad player. I play around a hour a day, I don't raid and have 379 ilvl. What's your excuse? Oh, you're a casual that hides behind the casual mask and hides logs from everyone because you're ashamed of them

379 with an hour of play a day seems unlikely. Or you have more luck with titanforged gear than 99.9999% of the player base.

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R.io is trash. Aotc on two toons and because I barely have any m+ my score is pathetic.

Raid should count more than all the m+ added together. It's not dungeoneer.io.

I don't do m+ it's not raiding. I'm a raider. I like to clear in one night or two. Rest of the time I'm a be leveling, it farming old content.

Not gonna run every m+ on reset to push score.

You're kind of funny.

Raiders that don't do m+ tend to be the worst kind of person to take a medium or high key.

You don't know mechanics. When to interrupt or stun or fear etc. You don't know which trash have lethal cone attacks. You don't know pathing and skips and tend to be that guy that pulls unwanted packs.

[Wries]

For a period of time I went anonymous on wowprogress because I believed chasing the meters for a higher personal parsing score in a mythic raiding setting more or less could make me a worse team player and it would be better if I could just feel that the personal rating didn't exist. It worked OK.

For mythic + I see no reason. First off the rating doesn't depend on you sacrificing group play, if you have a high rating that means you've been in successful runs and likely contributed your part. If you hide your rating I'm just going to assume you're really bad and have an even lesser chance of getting invited than if you had a "low" score.