Breastfeeding. Objections?

[Levelfive]

I'm having a hard time deciding between it not being the insurance agents problem that she may have had a hard time finding a baby sitter for the duration of the meeting. And the insurance agent needing to suck it up if she couldn't find a babysitter.

I'm trying to put myself in both their shoes. But looking at things from outside of both their situations, it keeps ringing in my head that infants can be quite the distraction, and it should be pretty common sense to realize that the child could interfere with the meeting.

Hindsight: Perhaps it would be best, if you have a child that you will need to bring with you, to let the person hosting the meeting know that you will be doing so. If the child needs to feed, let the agent know, and they may be able to find a quiet, and comfortable place to do so (not the bathroom).

Where I work, we have 'quiet rooms'. These are used to make personal or confidential calls. We also have meditation rooms, which would be an even better place to send a guest to who would need to care for their child. I'm thinking there may have been a place at the office where the woman could have some privacy, and quiet comfort to care for her child.

Just kicking around thoughts. I'm not against breast feeding in public, but I feel in a private business, there might be better ways to do it. Perhaps, simply communicating ahead of time would make all parties feel more comfortable.

I mean, he could have also said, "Hey, let me know when you're done," and left the room if it was all that upsetting to him.

[Kathandira]

I mean, he could have also said, "Hey, let me know when you're done," and left the room if it was all that upsetting to him.

That I totally agree with. I said in an earlier post, If I walked in on it, I would had been a gentleman and asked exactly that.

[vindicatorx]

Im amazed that those most often complain about this are often the ones on the right that in the next breath complain about "PC culture" is running rampant and that people need to grow thicker skin and stop worrying about getting offended. Ironic if you think about it.

I love how the children these days compare apples to oranges in their sad attempt at logical equivalency. Again, it's rude. I know you probably think it's ok for you to act however you please in public being rude in general is a common thing anymore. I hate to break it to you there are some of us who still observe basic manners at least in front of other people.

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That I totally agree with. I said in an earlier post, If I walked in on it, I would had been a gentleman and asked exactly that.

Yes, you come into his office and act inappropriately he should be the one to leave, not you, right?

[Wyshbonez]

My wife and I were at our favorite local eating establishment and i looked over in the next table and this mother proceeded to start feeding her baby under a blanket. I thought it was beautiful, i was ready to jump up and defend her ability to feed her baby while she feeds herself and her partner went to the bathroom shortly before all that started. Basically if you don't like something don't look. Breast feeding is beautiful and natural, people have been doing it for thousands of years.

[Kathandira]

Yes, you come into his office and act inappropriately he should be the one to leave, not you, right?

Professional etiquette would dictate this.

You walk in on a woman breastfeeding in your office. You excuse yourself, and allow her to finish. She lets you know when they are done. You then apologize for walking in on them, and ask her to let you know next time so you can make appropriate accommodations for her to have comfort and privacy.

[Levelfive]

I love how the children these days compare apples to oranges in their sad attempt at logical equivalency. Again, it's rude. I know you probably think it's ok for you to act however you please in public being rude in general is a common thing anymore. I hate to break it to you there are some of us who still observe basic manners at least in front of other people.

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Yes, you come into his office and act inappropriately he should be the one to leave, not you, right?

Feeding babies isn't "inappropriate." I'm guessing the vast majority whose delicate sensibilities are being offended at her inconsiderately feeding a hungry one month old would hardly notice a woman bottle feeding a new born in the same situation--in which case, yes, the hangup is yours, and yes, you should get over it.

[aeuhe4yxzhds]

Most of you supporting breastfeeding in public/out in the open wouldn't be fine with a guy scratching his groin or adjusting his package.

Breastfeeding while talking with your insurance is just retarded and not the place to do so. Its just more propaganda/agenda to push shit

I mean, he could have also said, "Hey, let me know when you're done," and left the room if it was all that upsetting to him.

She could have avoided doing it while in a meeting, could have asked. Its all on her. Not Him for fuck sake

[Levelfive]

Most of you supporting breastfeeding in public/out in the open wouldn't be fine with a guy scratching his groin or adjusting his package.

Breastfeeding while talking with your insurance is just retarded and not the place to do so. Its just more propaganda/agenda to push shit

Aside from the fact that men do this all the time in public, touching your penis and feeding a baby are not equivalent.

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Most of you supporting breastfeeding in public/out in the open wouldn't be fine with a guy scratching his groin or adjusting his package.

Breastfeeding while talking with your insurance is just retarded and not the place to do so. Its just more propaganda/agenda to push shit



She could have avoided doing it while in a meeting, could have asked. Its all on her. Not Him for fuck sake

He's the one who had a childish issue with it--it really IS all on him.

[tikcol]

I love everything about boobs. No objections to boobs on display whatsoever.

[Sesshomaru]

You know who is bat shit crazy? People who get bothered that a child is getting fed. That get upset that they see a nipple or a woman's breast.
Those are fucking snowflakes that seriously need to grow up.

Never underestimate cultural differences.
For us Norwegians (and probably the rest of Europe, quite unsure about them), we have little to no qualm regarding breastfeeding in general as it's the most natural thing.

None of my female relatives who have had, or currently has a baby, have ever been questioned regarding the decency of breastfeeding in public.
That obviously does not mean (to use phrase that is often occurring in this thread) they'll "whip it out" at every opportunity, but are somewhat obligated to the baby in question to provide food/nutritious milk that they have no other option than to breastfeed in public.

Personally I see breastfeeding as something that is the most natural and pure thing to do.
To compare, I have more issues regarding people who openly drinks alcohol (and therein gets drunk) as they are often harder to get away from than a single baby.


Also, as pointed out by @Lanfall: The case scenario as posted by @Aitch, regards breastfeeding while in a meeting with her insurance adjuster. She breastfed her infant son under her clothes, meaning he did not see anything "indecent" regarding the whole process. Alas, I see no reason for her being told to leave.

That said, if I change the point of view to his view, as in being put into his shoes; obviously I would've felt annoyed if someone started breastfeeding right in the meeting without anything spoken prior to it, but I would've rather solved it by having a short break (if it was possible) or go through the paper work as swift as possible, without having the need to have her leave.

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Most of you supporting breastfeeding in public/out in the open wouldn't be fine with a guy scratching his groin or adjusting his package.

Breastfeeding while talking with your insurance is just retarded and not the place to do so. Its just more propaganda/agenda to push shit

I mean, he could have also said, "Hey, let me know when you're done," and left the room if it was all that upsetting to him.

She could have avoided doing it while in a meeting, could have asked. Its all on her. Not Him for fuck sake

May sound weird, but adjusting the package and breastfeeding is for me more or less the same. Sure, the live baby makes a big difference, but it's all down to solving ones problems and needs. Need to scratch/adjust? Do so. Baby hungry? Breastfeed it.

There is a time and place for everything and I wholly agree she should've said something, maybe asked for a tiny break so she could've fed her son, but apparently no such thing was asked (basing on what OP has written).
Regardless, I feel both are in the wrong here. The mother for interrupting the meeting and the insurance adjuster for not seeing the complete picture.

[Kathandira]

I didn't think you could possibly come up with anything stupider to post. It is HIS office. A random person should not be in there unattended to begin with.

First off, don't insult me. I've been a customer service professional for a billion dollar international software company for 6 years now, and have a decade more experience in the field elsewhere prior.

Second, you think professional etiquette is stupid? You can argue with the person, or you can make amends and get on with your business. Which do you think will help your company?

[vindicatorx]

Professional etiquette would dictate this.

You walk in on a woman breastfeeding in your office. You excuse yourself, and allow her to finish. She lets you know when they are done. You then apologize for walking in on them, and ask her to let you know next time so you can make appropriate accommodations for her to have comfort and privacy.

That's in no way, shape or form of what happened. She decided mid-meeting to start breast feeding.

[Kathandira]

That's in no way, shape or form of what happened. She decided mid-meeting to start breast feeding.

You are right. What I wrote was how I would have handled it. I thought that was quite clear within the flow of the conversation I was having.

[Garkanh]

I don't have an issue with breastfeeding in public, but i still think it's incosideret to start breastfeeding somewhere like a restaurent. I won't complain about it, but the baby should be able to be fed from a bottle. If you know you are going out for a prolonged amount of time, collect some milk in a bottle for the kid. Especially if you know your child might get hungry while in a very public area.

[Starla]

I didn't think you could possibly come up with anything stupider to post. It is HIS office. A random person should not be in there unattended to begin with.

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No. Your response is the childish one. I'd never have even let her enter with the baby to begin with. He at least put up with it being there until she started to feed it. I would have ejected her even if it was a bottle.

And again, the company apologized for the insurance agent and his manager's rude behavior.

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I don't have an issue with breastfeeding in public, but i still think it's incosideret to start breastfeeding somewhere like a restaurent. I won't complain about it, but the baby should be able to be fed from a bottle. If you know you are going out for a prolonged amount of time, collect some milk in a bottle for the kid. Especially if you know your child might get hungry while in a very public area.

Breastfeeding a baby is NORMAL....say it with me people.

You have a problem...it's your issue, don't look.

[Levelfive]

Never underestimate cultural differences.
For us Norwegians (and probably the rest of Europe, quite unsure about them), we have little to no qualm regarding breastfeeding in general as it's the most natural thing.

None of my female relatives who have had, or currently has a baby, have ever been questioned regarding the decency of breastfeeding in public.
That obviously does not mean (to use phrase that is often occurring in this thread) they'll "whip it out" at every opportunity, but are somewhat obligated to the baby in question to provide food/nutritious milk that they have no other option than to breastfeed in public.

Personally I see breastfeeding as something that is the most natural and pure thing to do.
To compare, I have more issues regarding people who openly drinks alcohol (and therein gets drunk) as they are often harder to get away from than a single baby.


Also, as pointed out by @Lanfall: The case scenario as posted by @Aitch, regards breastfeeding while in a meeting with her insurance adjuster. She breastfed her infant son under her clothes, meaning he did not see anything "indecent" regarding the whole process. Alas, I see no reason for her being told to leave.

That said, if I change the point of view to his view, as in being put into his shoes; obviously I would've felt annoyed if someone started breastfeeding right in the meeting without anything spoken prior to it, but I would've rather solved it by having a short break (if it was possible) or go through the paper work as swift as possible, without having the need to have her leave.

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May sound weird, but adjusting the package and breastfeeding is for me more or less the same. Sure, the live baby makes a big difference, but it's all down to solving ones problems and needs. Need to scratch/adjust? Do so. Baby hungry? Breastfeed it.

There is a time and place for everything and I wholly agree she should've said something, maybe asked for a tiny break so she could've fed her son, but apparently no such thing was asked (basing on what OP has written).
Regardless, I feel both are in the wrong here. The mother for interrupting the meeting and the insurance adjuster for not seeing the complete picture.

He wasn't even in the room when she started breastfeeding--she didn't interrupt anything. He was squeamish about a baby being fed discreetly--he's in the wrong, so much so the company apologized over it.

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I didn't think you could possibly come up with anything stupider to post. It is HIS office. A random person should not be in there unattended to begin with.

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No. Your response is the childish one. I'd never have even let her enter with the baby to begin with. He at least put up with it being there until she started to feed it. I would have ejected her even if it was a bottle.

Let me know how it goes for you when you do.

[Ehrenpanzer]

Theres a time and place for everything.

Right.... try explaining that to a hungry 8 month old.... I'll wait here......

Its literally FEEDING A HUNGRY CHILD. If that is too much for people pea sized brains to be able to handle, perhaps purchasing a toaster and taking a hot bath is in order.....

[Kyphael]

Theres a time and place for everything.

Newborns and babies should be fed when hungry. If you don't like it, look away.

[Kathandira]

As long as they don't get mad at people staring I don't care, and if they do get mad, they can go fuck themselves.

hehe, food porn...

[Katchii]

It says in the article that he came back in the room and realized she was breastfeeding, at which point he told her she needed to leave because it was making him "uncomfortable."

"The adjuster can be heard returning to the office after getting paperwork and noticing Cosgrove was nursing her baby. At first, the new mom thought she was being kicked out for recording the meeting.

'At this point Ashly I do have to ask you to leave the room,' the insurance adjuster can be heard saying, 'because this is making me very uncomfortable. This is a professional environment and it feels like this is particularly unnecessary at this point in time.'" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.4872909

It has also has a picture of the woman with the baby tucked under her headscarf, which she claims--and which no one has thus far disputed--was the situation at the time: "Ashly Cosgrove says her one-month-old son was tucked under her headscarf while she was nursing."

People can decide for themselves whether she looks to be immodest or indiscreet. Frankly, a grown man's "discomfort" with it is pathetic.

Whether you find it pathetic or not isn't really relevant, it's his office. He may not have handled it appropriately, but he has every right to ask her to do it somewhere else. No one is even arguing that she was indecent, but just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. It made him uncomfortable in his own work space, he has every right to feel comfortable in HIS space. She didn't NEED to do it right then and there, she could have easily gone somewhere else and fed her baby and come back within a few minutes. Basically saying, fuck you I don't care if it's his office or not...it's MINE now, until I finish, is an entirely unreasonable expectation or mentality and is an infringement on his rights.

If anyone is uncomfortable that's their problem. They don't have the right to tell the lady who is feeding their baby they need to leave or stop. The woman and baby's rights overrule the other person's feelings.

if you're in my house or work space and you do something I don't like, makes me uncomfortable, or I find inappropriate, I'll ask you to leave. Be mad at me all you want and call it my problem...fine. It's MY problem then and I'll address it how I need to, as is my right on my property.

Their rights really don't though overrule his feelings, considering he didn't infringe on her rights just by asking her to leave. He asked her (albeit impolitely) to leave the room, not to stop feeding her child. Semantics, I know, but it was his office and she doesn't have any right to push him out of his own office to do something because he didn't want to see it or be part of it, that's his right, and he's not infringing on her rights by asking her to do it somewhere else.

The baby isn't going to starve or be neglected if she has to take a couple minutes to find somewhere else to feed it.

I'll amend my statement regarding his and her rights, whose rights take precedence is dependent on whether the office is considered private or public. If it's a public office, her rights prevail, if it's a private office his rights do. This is based on the article itself.