Incels/Right Wingers strike again. 2 dead in Florida

[Queen of Hamsters]

Are Incels right-wingers? Elliot Rodgers was subscribed to TYT.

The alt-right can feel proud to count them among their own. Incels tend to have enough hatred to encompass women as well as minorities.

[Kraenen]

What part of the pulse night club shooting by an Islamic terrorist (makes up 15%) tantamount to left wing terrorism. What the fuck are you on?

It's the stupidity of our more and more polarized politics. He's not on our tribe? I guess he's with the other people who are against us! Notwithstanding the apologia going on for Islamism coming from some leftists.

[Moralgy]

Are Incels right-wingers? Elliot Rodgers was subscribed to TYT.

I love watching Metokur videos but I'm far from someone who thinks "SJWs" are a real thing to worry about. I'm not sure what your point here was tbh.

[Themius]

It's the stupidity of our more and more polarized politics. He's not on our tribe? I guess he's with the other people who are against us! Notwithstanding the apologia going on for Islamism coming from some leftists.

Who is apologizing for Islamic extremism on the left?

[Scathbais]

The left isn't currently politically violent in the US.

???

Antifa says hi!

[LilSaihah]

I'm not sure what your point here was tbh.

My point is that I don't see what makes incels right-wingers.

[Queen of Hamsters]

My point is that I don't see what makes incels right-wingers.

Then I'd suggest you educate yourself.

They're alt-right. Not left, not center, not liberals, not even moderates.

[Moralgy]

My point is that I don't see what makes incels right-wingers.

If we are talking american politics of "right vs left", they are most definitely right-wing based on a few reasons.

Core ideology hinges on the right of women to choose what they do with their life is an affront to their existence. This puts them in line with the right via abortion rights and birth control rights. This also comes with a general agreement that "times were better in the past" when women did not work and relied on men, and you tick another "conservative" check box. Be it an outdated one that most conservatives don't even agree with these days, it is still a subsect of the conservative movement that believes this crap. Then add in a huge reliance on being "anti-feminist" in the sense they delve into right wing talking points regarding feminism such as "feminism is a movement to destroy masculinity" and you get a nice mixture of right wing talking points from various groups. You also get a mixture of the "immigration is destroying western culture" that appears from time to time in their groups and a "damn liburals are destroying the west" type ideas sprinkled in.

Basically the entire movement eats up right wing talking points because they are easily used to feed their self hate as well as their hatred for women. That isn't to say these right wing talking points are inherently doing that, but that is how the incel community tends to justify their hatred for women, through the lens of right wing shit.

[Eveningforest]

My point is that I don't see what makes incels right-wingers.

If you have a strong stomach, you can search and read what they say. They are very alt-right until 'pussy' gets mentioned...then it's socialism to the fullest with governmental distribution of sex, enforced monogamy, etc.
It's a really confused and pathetic bunch.

[LilSaihah]

Core ideology hinges on the right of women to choose what they do with their life is an affront to their existence. This puts them in line with the right via abortion rights and birth control rights. This also comes with a general agreement that "times were better in the past" when women did not work and relied on men, and you tick another "conservative" check box. Be it an outdated one that most conservatives don't even agree with these days, it is still a subsect of the conservative movement that believes this crap. Then add in a huge reliance on being "anti-feminist" in the sense they delve into right wing talking points regarding feminism such as "feminism is a movement to destroy masculinity" and you get a nice mixture of right wing talking points from various groups. You also get a mixture of the "immigration is destroying western culture" that appears from time to time in their groups and a "damn liburals are destroying the west" type ideas sprinkled in.

Basically the entire movement eats up right wing talking points because they are easily used to feed their self hate as well as their hatred for women. That isn't to say these right wing talking points are inherently doing that, but that is how the incel community tends to justify their hatred for women, through the lens of right wing shit.

Thankyou; I really appreciate the perspective and that you'd take the time for me. I don't really put myself too deep into this, other than as you said Jim's stuff. The most I know is the overlap between incels and NiceGuys.

[Moralgy]

Thankyou; I really appreciate the perspective and that you'd take the time for me. I don't really put myself too deep into this, other than as you said Jim's stuff. The most I know is the overlap between incels and NiceGuys.

I didn't really know much about them until the Eliot Rodgers shooting and the "incel" thing started going a bit more public, so I read into it, and on the outside they just seem like the "Nice Guys" but instead of only expressing their hatred towards women, there is a mixture of self hatred as well. What I saw as I read through it all was a heavy mixture of stuff you would see on places such as brietbart, t_d, or fox news about topics that overlap. I'm sure some left minded people are part of the group as it probably absorbed the "nice guys" people, and that tends to just be apolitical really, but if they have completely drank the koolaid, they likely have moved far more right without even thinking truly thinking about it.

[Kallisto]

Instead of pointing fingers at fucking groups of people and tallying which group is more responsible. How about we come up with ways to identify and deal with these people before they become problems?

I can just tell you're trying to push him away because he doesn't fit your view. Sorry but your bible is bullshit and saying "but but bible said look out for" doesn't hold water.

If they say they're christian, go to church. This whole vegan thing is bullshit and you're just being a retard saying it.

[Xirrohon]

???

Antifa says hi!

Seriously. Also, the person that shot up the synagogue was a far leftist and made numerous posts about how he hated Trump for helping Israel. Far lefties have committed way more violence than the right. Ferguson, Bmore. All the most violent cities are run by Dems. The thing is MSM wont report the shit, so if thats all you watch, which clearly is what the OP is doing, then youre going to have warped sense of whats really happening.

You can walk around talking about how much you love Hilary, but wear a MAGA hat and you take a chance of getting beat up crazy leftists.

[Moralgy]

Seriously. Also, the person that shot up the synagogue was a far leftist and made numerous posts about how he hated Trump for helping Israel. Far lefties have committed way more violence than the right. Ferguson, Bmore. All the most violent cities are run by Dems. The thing is MSM wont report the shit, so if thats all you watch, which clearly is what the OP is doing, then youre going to have warped sense of whats really happening.

You can walk around talking about how much you love Hilary, but wear a MAGA hat and you take a chance of getting beat up crazy leftists.

Don't be disingenuous. The dude was repeating actual far right, all the way to the fringe, talking points about conspiracies regarding "jews" controlling everyone, including democrats and republicans alike and Hitler level hatred of Jews. You calling him a "far leftists" is no better than people trying to blame that one on Trump.

[Logwyn]

Don't be disingenuous. The dude was repeating actual far right, all the way to the fringe, talking points about conspiracies regarding "jews" controlling everyone, including democrats and republicans alike and Hitler level hatred of Jews. You calling him a "far leftists" is no better than people trying to blame that one on Trump.

You are spot on. I don't get the point of trying to label extremists Left or Right. Doesn't really matter in the long run they are just evil people. Are people that do this hoping to have anyone on the "right" thrown in jail or something?

[Endus]

Seriously. Also, the person that shot up the synagogue was a far leftist and made numerous posts about how he hated Trump for helping Israel.

That's a far-right talking point. Anti-semitism is largely a right-wing thing, pretty much by definition. His other views were all radically right-wing, too. Where the balls did you get the misbegotten delusion that he was left-wing in any way?

Far lefties have committed way more violence than the right.

Absolute bullshit. You have no idea what you're talking about; you are wrong on the facts on this.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-conten...rorist-attacks

Any reasonable analysis puts left-wing violence at near-zero in the last two decades, while right-wing violent extremism is the largest single threat vector in terms of extremist violence. And not by a narrow margin.

Ferguson, Bmore. All the most violent cities are run by Dems. The thing is MSM wont report the shit, so if thats all you watch, which clearly is what the OP is doing, then youre going to have warped sense of whats really happening.

Are you seriously citing angry protests and general criminality on the political leanings of mayors? And you expect to be taken seriously?

Big cities have issues with poverty and density, and the combination of the two leads to crime. That's about it. Most cities tend to lean more Democratic than surrounding rural areas. There is no ideological connection to be had, here.

[DinardJoulien]

Fuck you, I say. You are denying reality. Right Wing Terror. That's what i'm calling it until someone comes up with a more accurate name. It's certainly not "Left Wing Terror" or "Liberal Terrorism"

Or maybe just "terror", but keep lumping everyone into this bullshit.

[Moralgy]

You are spot on. I don't get the point of trying to label extremists Left or Right. Doesn't really matter in the long run they are just evil people. Are people that do this hoping to have anyone on the "right" thrown in jail or something?

People need to argue about things is the tldr of why it is even discussed, with a slight mixture of people trying to blame an "entire side" for x/y/z. I mostly just care about where talking points/ideas come from. The only idea that really came from the normal "right" with that dude is the hysteria over the caravan, but it wasn't a main motivating factor behind the guy.

I kind of view "finding the side crazies fall on" in more of "what you say is not said in a vacuum" type deal. Such as with the guy who sent bombs to people Trump constantly labeled the enemy of the people, or when Bill O'Reilys talking points were regurgitated almost verbatim by a man that murdered an abortion doctor. Watch your words when you have a microphone or else this kind of stuff escalates, and people who are fans of those people need to hold them accountable.

[Endus]

You are spot on. I don't get the point of trying to label extremists Left or Right. Doesn't really matter in the long run they are just evil people. Are people that do this hoping to have anyone on the "right" thrown in jail or something?

You might notice that this basically only comes up because right-wingers are desperately trying to twist the facts and blame political violence, dishonestly, on their opponents, and only their opponents.

Posts like mine, here, pointing out the prevalence of right-wing extremist violence pretty much only get made in response, to point at the actual facts, and correct that disinformation.

No, the goal isn't to try and tar all right-wingers as extremists. It's to get them to acknowledge the facts of radicalization in the USA, rather than making up fake propaganda as political slander.

[Moralgy]

Or maybe just "terror", but keep lumping everyone into this bullshit.

"Islamic terrorism" was a huge thing "the right" in America want(ed) to call terrorism involving a Muslim, so what that poster is saying is kind of par for the course really.