250k new U.S. jobs added in the month of October.

[Dontrike]

My idea is to go in debt so I can earn ~$24k more a year actually. The average high school salary is 35k, where the avg bachelor's degree holder is earning 59k. On top of that, unemployment for high school degree holders is ~5.8% vs ~2.8% for those with a bachelor's.

So yeah, I'll take on 30k or even 50k in debt, to make nearly double the money for the rest of my life. Keep in mind, liberal arts degrees, dance majors, etc all bring that average down. Accounting for that, I'd be surprised if that gap doesn't increase to ~$30,000 annually. With STEM, law, and medical degrees earning even more than that.

I'll be over here comfortably paying my bills and doing what I want, while sitting in an air conditioned room cracking jokes with my coworkers while you flip those burgers bro.

It's funny because this is so bullshit. You'll go into debt 50k, spend 120k paying it back, all so you can barely increase your salary, in which you fully lied about how much it increases it by. Your bachelors doesn't increase your pay magically like it's a video game.

You can keep talking that hippy bullshit about "A degree makes rainbows and miracles happen" while I can point to you hundreds of people with great degrees that can barely find work, but do go ahead how that piece of paper solves all your problems. Does it cure cancer too?

[Cebel]

It's funny because this is so bullshit. You'll go into debt 50k, spend 120k paying it back, all so you can barely increase your salary, in which you fully lied about how much it increases it by. Your bachelors doesn't increase your pay magically like it's a video game.

You can keep talking that hippy bullshit about "A degree makes rainbows and miracles happen" while I can point to you hundreds of people with great degrees that can barely find work, but do go ahead how that piece of paper solves all your problems. Does it cure cancer too?

You can literally go search for average salary of a high school graduate vs a bachelors. It's all out there for you. You're so fucking delusional. I had 32k in student loans, I paid them back in 3 years, grand total: 36,500 roughly. Most of them didnt even accrue interest. Just because you dont know wtf you're talking about, doesn't mean what I said is bullshit. Maybe if you'd spend less time watching my little pony, you'd understand how the real world works.

Sorry your friends suck at interviews, they probably lack social skills like yourself. Making them fall into the 2.8% of the unemployed population with a bachelor's degree.

P.S. - You're right bachelors DOESN'T increase your pay "magically". It increases your pay because you improved your skillset and have a way to prove that to employers. Is it the only way? No absolutely not. But is it a good way to do so? Absolutely.


P.P.S. - I love how you're telling me that I absolutely wracked up $50k in debt for my degree. As if you've seen my bank records or credit report. Like lmao, you can't be serious.

[Acidbaron]

Can you live of those jobs or do you need multiple ones to sustain a basic quality of living? If it's the latter those jobs are meaningless and do nothing for the working class.

[Cebel]

Can you live of those jobs or do you need multiple ones to sustain a basic quality of living? If it's the latter those jobs are meaningless and do nothing for the working class.

Get a roommate. I know plenty of people who live on a single minimum wage job. They dont live it up by my standards, but they do what they can. They split rent 2-3 ways with friends, car pool, etc... but they're not homeless and living in squalor.

[Acidbaron]

Get a roommate. I know plenty of people who live on a single minimum wage job. They dont live it up by my standards, but they do what they can. They split rent 2-3 ways with friends, car pool, etc... but they're not homeless and living in squalor.

I'm of opinion that a minimum wage should allow you to easily live independently, you might as well say that it's not so bad if you move back in with your parents. But thanks for answering regardless, i figured as much.

[Cebel]

I'm of opinion that a minimum wage should allow you to easily live independently, you might as well say that it's not so bad if you move back in with your parents. But thanks for answering regardless, i figured as much.

If minimum wage let everyone live comfortably no one would have any incentive to do anything but.

[Orbitus]

If minimum wage let everyone live comfortably no one would have any incentive to do anything but.

Considering that is what minimum wage was when it was made? You have to be ignorant of the history of minimum wage to think that people would just settle for that for the rest of their life.

[Dontrike]

Sorry your friends suck at interviews, they probably lack social skills like yourself.

You know you don't have an argument when you need personal attacks.

P.S. - You're right bachelors DOESN'T increase your pay "magically". It increases your pay because you improved your skillset and have a way to prove that to employers. Is it the only way? No absolutely not. But is it a good way to do so? Absolutely.

Oh so the degree is on the hope of more pay. Again, you speak of miracles and magic rainbows. A piece of paper guarantees you nothing and would more likely be useful as a coaster than for getting you more money.

Get a roommate. I know plenty of people who live on a single minimum wage job. They dont live it up by my standards, but they do what they can. They split rent 2-3 ways with friends, car pool, etc... but they're not homeless and living in squalor.

Needing to live with someone else means that minimum wage job isn't a livable wage. If you are unable to live on your own then what's the fucking point?

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If minimum wage let everyone live comfortably no one would have any incentive to do anything but.

Minus wanting an even better life, or if you have more than one person to take care of, or bettering yourself, but outside of those obvious points there's absolutely no incentive. I guess that degree didn't come with common sense.

[Acidbaron]

If minimum wage let everyone live comfortably no one would have any incentive to do anything but.

That's a weak and nonsense argument since you are using wide generalizations. Sorry to tell you this but you aren't unique a large group of people aren't complacent and strive for a better future.

Right now to put it bluntly you are in favor of making young adults slaves to their debt being it either healthcare or education bills. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen and when did you feel the need to become so unpatriotic?

[Blur4stuff]

Millions of adults work low wage jobs. They can't all be filled by teenagers. The only reason most of the workers get by at all is because of welfare and charity.

Next time you see a report about declining birth rates for white Americans feel free to remember this is part of the reason why. Republicans like to make these ridiculous arguments about getting better jobs and attacking welfare while forgetting their own voters are the ones suffering the most.

It's not the brown immigrants doing this to you.

[Mayhem]

If minimum wage let everyone live comfortably no one would have any incentive to do anything but.

So you're saying that the only thing that motivates you to do anything is a job that isn't paying you enough? You know, not everyone is a lazy as you?

[Cebel]

So you're saying that the only thing that motivates you to do anything is a job that isn't paying you enough? You know, not everyone is a lazy as you?

Your reading comprehension levels are out of this world. Jesus.

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That's a weak and nonsense argument since you are using wide generalizations. Sorry to tell you this but you aren't unique a large group of people aren't complacent and strive for a better future.

Right now to put it bluntly you are in favor of making young adults slaves to their debt being it either healthcare or education bills. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen and when did you feel the need to become so unpatriotic?

Lmao. No. Im not in favor of them being slaves to anything. Im in favor of them learning a fucking skill or gaining an education to be successful. Anyone can flip a fucking burger. Hell most of those jobs wont be here in 10-20 years and will be replaced with computers. If ANYONE can do the job, you dont deserve to be paid 15$ an hour. Period. Thats not unpatriotic. Thats a fact. Sorry you think everyone should just be handed a comfortable life because they breathe air and contribute hardly anything to society.

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You know you don't have an argument when you need personal attacks.



Oh so the degree is on the hope of more pay. Again, you speak of miracles and magic rainbows. A piece of paper guarantees you nothing and would more likely be useful as a coaster than for getting you more money.



Needing to live with someone else means that minimum wage job isn't a livable wage. If you are unable to live on your own then what's the fucking point?

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Minus wanting an even better life, or if you have more than one person to take care of, or bettering yourself, but outside of those obvious points there's absolutely no incentive. I guess that degree didn't come with common sense.

You are so fucking clueless its mind blowing. Have a nice day. Can't have a discussion with a wall. You refuse to look at facts, and you literally think a bachellors degree is some kind of magic fairy dust. Lmao. It's not a personal attack btw to say you have no social skills. It's very evident by your lack of social skills on these very forums, and likes attract likes. So yeah, safe to assume your friends you spoke about also lack said social skills. Enjoy watching your weeb shit all day today while you're not working.

And on your last point... Lmao. If everyone on minimum wage could afford a comfortable life, yeah, there would be no incentive. You wouldn't need to care for others, they can just go get their minimum wage bullshit job that requires minimal brain power and motor function to live their comfortable life too!

Why can't you just admit what you want is pure and unadulterated socialism, and it has never fucking worked. Good grief. You think you're so smart, yet you're over here spewing bullshit by the gallon.

[Adam Jensen]

Your reading comprehension levels are out of this world. Jesus.

Your minimum wage comprehension is a Republican level of out out of this world.

And wrong.

No minimum wage hike has resulted in a net loss of jobs.

People working 40 hours a week should be making enough to live independently in their area.

It won't kill incentive because people will still want better, they'll still want more. Minimum wage keeps you out of poverty, it doesn't make you wealthy. There's always more to achieve.

The conservative arguments against minimum wage have always been stupidly wrong and constructed specifically to protect the profits of the 1%. Because god forbid people like Jeff Bezos invest a little bit more in his workers, I'm sure that would be so devastating for his 100 billion dollar wealth and Amazon's bottom line.

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Why can't you just admit what you want is pure and unadulterated socialism, and it has never fucking worked. Good grief. You think you're so smart, yet you're over here spewing bullshit by the gallon.

Oh, I guess I shouldn't have bothered with an argument then, since apparently you're one of those "everyone left of me is a commie!" types.

[Cebel]

Your minimum wage comprehension is a Republican level of out out of this world.

And wrong.

No minimum wage hike has resulted in a net loss of jobs.

People working 40 hours a week should be making enough to live independently in their area.

It won't kill incentive because people will still want better, they'll still want more. Minimum wage keeps you out of poverty, it doesn't make you wealthy. There's always more to achieve.

The conservative arguments against minimum wage have always been stupidly wrong and constructed specifically to protect the profits of the 1%. Because god forbid people like Jeff Bezos invest a little bit more in his workers, I'm sure that would be so devastating for his 100 billion dollar wealth and Amazon's bottom line.

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Oh, I guess I shouldn't have bothered with an argument then, since apparently you're one of those "everyone left of me is a commie!" types.

My friend, when will you brain deads realize, the 1% aren't going to be the ones that pay the increase in minimum wage? It's not gonna happen. They'll just hike the prices of their products/services to make up the difference... Le sigh.

[Adam Jensen]

My friend, when will you brain deads realize, the 1% aren't going to be the ones that pay the increase in minimum wage? It's not gonna happen. They'll just hike the prices of their products/services to make up the difference... Le sigh.

Which usually equates to a few dozen cents. If Walmart raised their wages to just $11, that's a 3 cent price raise on goods.

I think we can afford that.

[Mayhem]

Your reading comprehension levels are out of this world. Jesus.

My reading comprehension is fine, it's a problem with you understanding what you're saying. That or the word everyone somehow doesn't include you. Are you an alien?

[Acidbaron]

Lmao. No. Im not in favor of them being slaves to anything. Im in favor of them learning a fucking skill or gaining an education to be successful. Anyone can flip a fucking burger. Hell most of those jobs wont be here in 10-20 years and will be replaced with computers. If ANYONE can do the job, you dont deserve to be paid 15$ an hour. Period. Thats not unpatriotic. Thats a fact. Sorry you think everyone should just be handed a comfortable life because they breathe air and contribute hardly anything to society.

Even people unemployement contribute to society if you understand how the economy of western nations work however i'm not going to delve into that deeper. Lifting people out of poverty by giving them a livable wage ensures that future generations have a greater chance of moving beyond their parents.

A person should not have to work multiple jobs to obtain a wage they can live on in their area, if a person has to work multiple jobs to obtain that status than something is wrong, but you have already admitted to that by providing solutions such as having to bunk together with friends as people are generally unable to afford housing on their own what is a basic human need.

Not sure what you gain out of it personally or why you prefer the area near you to remain poorer, although i believe closed off communities is a thing in the US, what is simply just another form of apartheid if you ask me, so enjoy that and enjoy the increase in crime and violence in your nation.

[Zan15]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...bor-us-economy

Some more good news for the US economy. Have fun trying to explain it away.

U.S. employers added a better-than-expected 250,000 jobs in October, soaring past expectations for an increase of 190,000 jobs in the last jobs report before the midterm elections and on the heels of an incredibly volatile month for the stock markets.

The unemployment rate remained at 3.7 percent, the lowest rate in nearly 50 years, while the labor force participation rate increased to 62.9 percent from 62.7 percent during the month. Average hourly earnings meanwhile rose by five cents to $27.30.

So where were you last two disappointing reports??

Good to see he is back to Obama's monthly average.

Oh and labor participation rate is back to where it was when Trump took over so no gain there and one of the most retarded measurement to even brag about

[Tierbook]

So where were you last two disappointing reports??

Good to see he is back to Obama's monthly average.

Oh and labor participation rate is back to where it was when Trump took over so no gain there and one of the most retarded measurement to even brag about

U-6 is at it's lowest level since April 2001 from what i've heard.

[Easo]

I love how OP tried to avoid mentioning Obama presidency for so long, but got defensive about Trump.