12 Killed at Thousand Oaks Nightclub shooting

[PACOX]

Short of a ban, there isnt much you can do to end the needless deaths. If you allow people to own firearms, in any capacity, there will be needless deaths.

You can curb the frequency of mass shootings by making it harder for people to just stockpile guns and ammo. Destigmatize mental health and actually support mental health advocatcy, not just in emergency situations when someone has a break.

I get the appeal but there's no reason for people to have AR15s (know one wasn't used in this incident).

If you're not getting a handgun, shotgun, hunting rifle, you should have to jump through hoops to get your gun.

I grew up in the South. I get hunting, I get having a gun because police response times are slower. The fantasy of arming yourself against the government is gone. Miltias won't stop a thing, not in the way they think. I get owning cool looking guns, but get an airsoft gun if youre into tactical porn.

No one wants to the one who is in charge of cultural change.

[Bakis]

On the plus side, since he is a vet this might not get shrugged away as yet another white man massmurdering people.
People might actually feel uneasy with this event.

[ONCHEhap]

Well, I think it's time to let go of the big scary "assault rifle" argument people make all the time. It was a handgun. I also like how he openly admitted it's a mental health issue, and with so many people with mental illness that's the root cause. So kudos to him for having a brain in a state full of democrats.

Just a handgun
It's okay guys,that means it's pretty much not a shooting,let's close the thread

[petej0]

You can curb the frequency of mass shootings by making it harder for people to just stockpile guns and ammo. Destigmatize mental health and actually support mental health advocatcy, not just in emergency situations when someone has a break.

I dont understand someone owning 20 guns either. I wouldnt mind having a limit on the number you can own, but you can only shoot one at a time anyways, two if you are using handguns.

We should destigmatize mental health, but that is a social problem. WE should be fighting that everyday, WE should be fighting that fight. Yet nobody cares.

I get the appeal but there's no reason for people to have AR15s (know one wasn't used in this incident).

There is nothing vastly different about the AR than any other semi auto hunting rifle. It doesnt have any special capability. If you want to talk about the damage they can do, we should look at the ammo. .556 which is smaller than some hunting rifles .762.

If you're not getting a handgun, shotgun, hunting rifle, you should have to jump through hoops to get your gun.

What other types of guns are left that are at issue? Handgun, shotgun, hunting rifle are the most popular types, these are the ones we should be looking at.

[muto]

Where do the gunmen get the guns from always?

You can buy them just about anywhere as long as you are 18. Wal-Mart, Sporting Good Stores, Pawn Shops, etc..

[kasuke06]

Well, I think it's time to let go of the big scary "assault rifle" argument people make all the time. It was a handgun. I also like how he openly admitted it's a mental health issue, and with so many people with mental illness that's the root cause. So kudos to him for having a brain in a state full of democrats.

Don't worry, the politicians will have it back to the "fully semi-automatic" level of derp-speech to try and scare people into giving up their rights pretty soon if they haven't already.

[petej0]

Don't worry, the politicians will have it back to the "fully semi-automatic" level of derp-speech to try and scare people into giving up their rights pretty soon if they haven't already.

Or Fully semi-Automatic capable of firing 60 rounds a minute. Ooooo sounds so scary.

[kasuke06]

Or Fully semi-Automatic capable of firing 60 rounds a minute. Ooooo sounds so scary.

Oh my lordy-lords, how can we exorcise this devil, how much will I have to contribute to your campaign funds to make sure my children are safe from the terror of criminals with guns by instituting more laws they aren't following anyways!?

[Ealyssa]

You inherently need a mental illness to be able to randomly kill someone.

You also need a gun. Since mental illness is only weaponised on internet...

[PACOX]

You can buy them just about anywhere as long as you are 18. Wal-Mart, Sporting Good Stores, Pawn Shops, etc..

Man I remember as a kid the gun section of Wal-Mart was part of my browsing routine.

We were allowed to look at the toys while our moms shopped as long as we were good. I go toys, then electronics, then sports/guns.

Weird how normal that seemed. Guns were right next to the toys.

[Zoldor]

Oh my lordy-lords, how can we exorcise this devil, how much will I have to contribute to your campaign funds to make sure my children are safe from the terror of criminals with guns by instituting more laws they aren't following anyways!?

Yeah, I mean the gunowner is so oppressed. So much restriction on owning guns or obtaining guns in America. It is so hard to get one I can't believe how tough things have gotten for the poor under represented gun owner! So many laws and loopholes to get a killing tool. It is so hard for them all they have to have money it is such a tough time, and not be a felon who hasn't applied for reinstatement of their gun ownership rights. It is soooo damn rough on gun owners I don't know how people handle going to a store with money and buying something. Where I live there isn't even a waiting period just have to not be a felon and have money. OH THE IMPUNITY OF THESE INFRINGEMENT ON MY RIGHTS!!!!!!!

Quickly run out and dump more money into the NRA! They are so under funded they can't protect your rights at all!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, there is so little gun control in most states it is hilarious when any gun owner complains. Hell sometimes I think it is people who've never bought a firearm but align with gun owners to complain about things that don't exist.

How do I know this? Gun owner, purchased both handguns and rifles, and I've helped felons restore their gun rights. It is a simple form and unless your crime was violent in nature, you are like 99% sure to get it reinstated. Darn, I have to have a license to purchase that automatic rifle made after 1986. I'll have to get my FFL oh noooossss I needed it today for.....reasons.

Hell only 10 states even have a waiting period. It is harder to get a damn driver's licenses and takes even longer. Quit your crying, you make all gunowners look like babies.

Most mass shootings are conducted by people who lawfully bought guns as well. The only time unlawful fire arms are used are normally in criminal activity related to other criminals or maybe a home invasion. School shootings and mass shootings are normally done with legally acquired firearms.

[LBStx]

Yeah, I mean the gunowner is so oppressed. So much restriction on owning guns or obtaining guns in America. It is so hard to get one I can't believe how tough things have gotten for the poor under represented gun owner! So many laws and loopholes to get a killing tool. It is so hard for them all they have to have money it is such a tough time, and not be a felon who hasn't applied for reinstatement of their gun ownership rights. It is soooo damn rough on gun owners I don't know how people handle going to a store with money and buying something. Where I live there isn't even a waiting period just have to not be a felon and have money. OH THE IMPUNITY OF THESE INFRINGEMENT ON MY RIGHTS!!!!!!!

Quickly run out and dump more money into the NRA! They are so under funded they can't protect your rights at all!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, there is so little gun control in most states it is hilarious when any gun owner complains. Hell sometimes I think it is people who've never bought a firearm but align with gun owners to complain about things that don't exist.

How do I know this? Gun owner, purchased both and hanguns and rifles, and I've helped felons restore their gun rights. It is a simple form and unless your crime was violent in nature, you are like 99% sure to get it reinstated.

Hell only 10 states even have a waiting period. It is harder to get a damn driver's licenses and takes even longer. Quit your crying, you make all gunowners look like babies.

Most mass shootings are conducted by people who lawfully bought guns as well. The only time unlawful fire arms are used are normally in criminal activity related to other criminals or maybe a home invasion. School shootings and mass shootings are normally done with legally acquired firearms.

Well, plus, even in California, possession of an illegal weapon is basically just a misdemeanor.

If you sell one to someone, it's a felony, but even in the most restrictive state in the country, owning one carries a lesser penalty than shoplifting a TV.

[Ghostpanther]

Well, plus, even in California, possession of an illegal weapon is basically just a misdemeanor.

If you sell one to someone, it's a felony, but even in the most restrictive state in the country, owning one carries a lesser penalty than shoplifting a TV.

In Ohio, it is a felony if you have in your possession a firearm concealed and it is loaded or the ammo for it is on your person, without a carry conceal handgun lesson. Open carry is ok unless you have a convicted felony criminal record. So no, there are some big differences between having a firearm illegally here than stealing a TV. Depends on the circumstances and the person.

[Zoldor]

Well, plus, even in California, possession of an illegal weapon is basically just a misdemeanor.

If you sell one to someone, it's a felony, but even in the most restrictive state in the country, owning one carries a lesser penalty than shoplifting a TV.

Shhhhhh their rights are under fire! They must protect. They are in danger of never owning a gun again. The guberment is coming for their guns!!!! Gonna be rounded up. This has nothing to do with the firearms market needing to give you reasons to horde guns to drive sales. No, there is a serious threat to gun ownership.

The NRA needs your allegiance now! Get that sticker for you car window to let people know, you've got a gun. That couldn't backfire at all. Put it next to your Mac Apple, Yehti Cooler sticker, and Toms shoes. Let them know you have all the nice things!

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In Ohio, it is a felony if you have in your possession a firearm concealed and it is loaded or the ammo for it is on your person, without a carry conceal handgun lesson. Open carry is ok unless you have a convicted felony criminal record. So no, there are some big differences between having a firearm illegally here than stealing a TV. Depends on the circumstances and the person.

Good thing he wasn't talking about Ohio? And about gun ownership and not what is required once you own the firearm.

[Ghostpanther]

You can curb the frequency of mass shootings by making it harder for people to just stockpile guns and ammo. Destigmatize mental health and actually support mental health advocatcy, not just in emergency situations when someone has a break.

I get the appeal but there's no reason for people to have AR15s (know one wasn't used in this incident).

If you're not getting a handgun, shotgun, hunting rifle, you should have to jump through hoops to get your gun.

I grew up in the South. I get hunting, I get having a gun because police response times are slower. The fantasy of arming yourself against the government is gone. Miltias won't stop a thing, not in the way they think. I get owning cool looking guns, but get an airsoft gun if youre into tactical porn.

No one wants to the one who is in charge of cultural change.

What is too much guns and ammo? And that would not have prevented this tragedy. He only used one handgun and just shot over 30 rounds. He did however, from what I read, used a illegal extended magazine. The handgun he had was only suppose to hold 10+1 rounds max. So if this is true, he was a criminal before he even entered the bar.

[Huulo]

So you actually believe terrorists and mass killers are sane?

Yes. You can be evil or irrational and perfectly sane. We should not automatically assume mental illness the moment news of an attack breaks. It does a disservice to the mentally ill. It could also create legal grounds for locking up people who have committed no crime.

[Ghostpanther]

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Good thing he wasn't talking about Ohio? And about gun ownership and not what is required once you own the firearm.

You can steal a TV, only get some jail time or let off with a minor charge and still buy a TV the next day. The same would not happen if you were convicted of owning a firearm illegally. And Ohio is not even among the most restrictive states in the US. Comparing the two cases is ridiculous.

[szechuan]

Shhhhhh their rights are under fire! They must protect. They are in danger of never owning a gun again.

Guns are made for Kids.

Only a Good Kid with a Gun can stop a bad kid with a gun.

[jackofwind]

The right needs the second amendment to protect themselves from you batshit crazy violent liberals.

Shouldn't need the NRA, anyone who trys to pass gun restriction bills should just be charged with treason against the constitution.

What's it feel like to be a meme?

[Knarg]

At this point it's safe to say that NRA members can't climax without fresh footage of a mass shooting.