The hate on LFR

Deleted · 2018-11-13, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Zanarika

It's simple. Some people hate LFR because they cannot stand the fact they don't get to be special in a virtual world, even as Mythic was created Blizzard had to cater to the elitist folks by giving them gear with some extra particle effects because they knew stats alone wouldn't make them feel special in comparison to the "filthy casuals" that only run LFR or Normal. But they cannot be happy about it, no, they feel obligated to still come to the forums and let people know how mad they are that LFR is a thing and they still queue on LFR even though they massively outgear it just for the free runes and sheer ecstasy of calling other people offensive slurs instead of actually trying to share some tips and tactics.

God forbid people who don't play on their level get to see the raids and experience the game events...I honestly can't wait for classic, maybe they will migrate.

Same can be said about you. Who you are to demand same level of rewards in terms of gear and content when you have done 99% less woork than rest of players? Only reason why you defending LFR is fact that you hate players what are more sucesfull than you and you want to be on exact same level as them and at same time you try dismiss their rewards for their effort. Becouse if you cant be special nobady can.

**Raelbo** · 2018-11-13, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Akka

Because it forced the entire game to tailor itself around an activity that completely lacks challenge while dishing out increasingly powerful rewards. and making all content so easily accessible it cheapened the entire experience and made a huge part of the game obsolete (including social interactions).

Not really hard to understand provided one really want to understand.

Sure, if LFR was indeed all those things you say it is, then it would be perfectly understandable. But how anyone could come to such ridiculous conclusions does, indeed, defy comprehension.

Deleted · 2018-11-13, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Nagrash

People come up with alot of bullshit reasons every time this gets discussed but it really boils down to some people being petty and elitist and not wanting "casuals" to get their gear or anything that looks like it, not doing the their content or making raiding feel like less of an activity... because it's all about what other people think.

The reality is LFR probably got more people interested in raiding other difficulties than before, offered more transmog options, helped gearing up(optional not mandatory) and offered those not interested in organized raiding the ability to see the fights/lore.

LFR actualy made more people quit organized raiding than it bringed into it.

I completly lost any intetest in organized raiding day LFR came out. There is no point anymore.

**steristumpie** · 2018-11-13, 02:56 PM

We live in a online social media world where working, living, hobbying isn’t just something you can do anymore. Everything you do has to be the best, or at least better than most.

And it has to be publicized. Self importance is worthless nowadays unless other people can see your achievements. With upvotes, likes, +1’s etc. being a social currency now, you can’t live your life or enjoy a basic computer game without that essential “nod” from peers.

What does this have to do with LFR? Kids and manchildren are more concerned about what other people are achieving than with their own accounts.To them “not doing it if you don’t like it” is heresy that deserves the harshest lambasting. ( I’m on a diet, so no one gets to eat doughnuts).

**Marrilaife** · 2018-11-13, 02:57 PM

Only thing I hate about lfr was the WOD addition of augment runes, no, they didn't exist in Dragon Soul or MOP when there was lfr too. But Blizzard wanted to reward lfr crowd and make difficult modes even more expensive to progress in by adding this crap. Instead of adding more meaning to professions (I swear JC died in WOD when they drastically lowered number of sockets) they added a consumable primarily grinded through lfr.

**Nebron** · 2018-11-13, 03:02 PM

Like others said before, a topic that has been discussed over thousand times.

But let it be... I will summarise it.

LFR simply kills the desire to get better. It provides gear for people incapable to play on particular level of difficulty. It doesn't make people better, it just provides them something for no reason. I simply believe in giving a man a pole, not a fish, so that in a straight way leads to GET BETTER.

People say there is an option: you may, or not use the LFR. This is entirely false. Whenever the whole server use the LFR to get the gear, it automatically force me to do the same. A quick example: I remember that some people from my enviroment boycotted 2018 FIFA World Cup that took place in Russia by not watching the opening ceremony. What does it change overall apart from their personal feelings? NOTHING. This is exactly how LFR works - what would it change, if I didn't use it? Nothing, becuase the rest of the WoW's population use it.

And about the "limited time" argument... I don't care about the fact, that you have no time to do the raid. And i truly don't believe it. It doesn't take much time to complete normal raid in few first weeks of release with a PUG group. Becuase of that lazy argument, the game is in the terrible place it is.

Ain't got time for playing? - don't play, but in the same way, don't expose other players for the terrible consequences of your lack of time. The consequences that are conntected with developers decisions to make this game easier for YOU.

Ain't got skill for raiding? - don't raid, or try to get better through other activities.

Nobody wants to invite you? - for f.ck sake - MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP! (preferably group of online-friends which is called... a guild).

Because all those lazy and noobish players, we, the ones that once praised the game, are complaining and we are devastated. And because Blizzard is a company (and this arguments is on their side), they care for their finances, and by that, they have to care for all the idiots. Also those idiots the game produces nowadays.

I hope you understand what LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES are. I don't believe in humanity anymore.
I also hope you understand now, why LFR is a bullshit.

Bye

**tankbug** · 2018-11-13, 03:04 PM

Raiders used to feel quite special, proudly displaying the fruit of their labor, investing a lot of time to beat the hardest content, and receiving admiration of the casuals. Their guild mattered, everyone knew the top players of the realm. Maybe it could be compared to an old feudal system, just with the opportunity to improve your life, from peasant to nobility. The american dream! Suddenly the realm gets mixed in with others, anyone can experience the end game content and get "free" epics, and the necessity for guilds and guild identity and fame fades. Only the global leaders remain relevant. This "communist utopia" is what the raiders can't stand, because it seems unfair that people can achieve a lot of the things that were limited only to the best, which makes them just another player running around in a global arena where you don't need to network or interact with locals. This might also have had a negative effect on player's incentive to improve their abilities, but I seem to remember people were generally shittier in vanilla/TBC, so I don't know.

**owbu** · 2018-11-13, 03:05 PM

I think the hate used to be because Blizzard made the lfr rewards so appealing to organized raiders that you were "forced" to participate. And if you are an organized raider, doing lfr every week ruins the feeling of progression during the actual raiding.

That has been fixed years ago though (havent entered an lfr raid since MoP, I think?) so now a lot of it is just the typical behaviour of [Group who used to have all the Power] reacting negativly to [new group that also gets to play with your toys]. If you create an enviroment that is hostile to eveyone but people like you, chances are that there wont be enough people liking something else who could take over and demand your content to be cut.

**A Chozo** · 2018-11-13, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by AceofH

my problem with LFR is that it was a perfect opportunity for people who don't raid to get interested in raiding and learn how to handle mechanics before maybe trying normal mode.

There's no way to make people suddenly like raiding.

Overall, for the majority of gamers, raiding sucks. It's time-consuming, it's too social, etc. That's why it's a dying freature - even Mythic+ is more popular.

**lummiuster** · 2018-11-13, 03:10 PM

Here is the complete answer on how it killed the game.
Before (in TBC): To raid Sunwell you need gear from Black Temple, to raid BT you need gear from Hyjal, to raid Hyjal you need gear from the eyes and sherpentshrine, to raid those 2 you need gear from kharazan/Gruul/Magtheridon, to start raiding you need heroic dungeon gear.
To get in any of these raids, you need to socialise and be good and find a guild.
Today: you get max level, you raid LFR of the last raid tier, the week after you raid normal and then heroic. Here you feel like there is muuuch less content because you only do 1 raid forever. You don't have to invest as much in your character so you lose the feeling of being a super hero when raiding one of the last raids since evryone does. There is no relevance to heroic dungeon (most people never ran them).

**Temp name** · 2018-11-13, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by rbigrq

no. lfr sucks because you can't make your own group

You absolutely can. Invite 24 other people and there you go, your own LFR group that you made yourself.

**druenos** · 2018-11-13, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dottywotty

I think the excuse of not having enough time is probably only true to a very small amount of players. There are plenty of guild who can clear mythic while devoting 2 days a week / 6-8 hours.

LFR players are known to be toxic, lazy, greedy and incompetent. I also see the excuse of "wanting to see the raid" quite often which is probably only slightly true. If this was really the case, why would you care at all about the gear? If you don't raid or pvp, gear is unnecessary, yet you see so many people complaining that they can't get gear because the content they do only offers so much.

LFR itself isn't a problem for me, it's the players who use it and expect more for doing so little.

In my experience it's the heroic and mythic raiders who feel forced to do LFR for whatever reasonthat are the ones who are toxic.

**Maldarious** · 2018-11-13, 03:17 PM

If LFR was removed I think more players would come back then players that would leave while many, many players would just deal with it and realize after awhile that it was for the greater good.

**khalltusk** · 2018-11-13, 03:22 PM

I did LFR a couple of times just for the call to arms rewards. Other than that I have not stepped foot in it. I did Normal and Heroic Uldir with the guild and there is talk of Mythic alt runs with social players. So maybe I will give Mythic a go too.

LFR is there for players who can't or won't stepup to the other raid modes. It does the job fine. Mythic plus and world quests do more for gearing up players (and Mythic dungeons too which are 340 level) than LFR does.

LFR does a job just fine, let the guys running it enjoy it with out all the salt.

**crono14** · 2018-11-13, 03:23 PM

There are so many reasons why it's bad for the game but overall it rewards people for failing, and also rewards mediocrity while not challenging players to get any better before trying to venture into more challenging content.

Get your gold star for participation.

**cparle87** · 2018-11-13, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by rbigrq

no. lfr sucks because you can't make your own group

You can invite as many friends and guildies as you like, then queue for LFR and it will fill the empty spots. So your statement is untrue.

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Originally Posted by Maldarious

If LFR was removed I think more players would come back then players that would leave while many, many players would just deal with it and realize after awhile that it was for the greater good.

Why would removing LFR make people come back? "I hated LFR even though I didn't do it and hated people who did it, now that it's gone no one can do it so I'll come back"? That's some twisted thinking.

**Twdft** · 2018-11-13, 03:27 PM

The most mind boggling thing about the lfr hate is that it only comes from people who could just ignore it. I don't like pvp, I don't like pet battles, I don't like lfr... and guess what I just don't participate in either of those activities and feel just fine. No reason to hate, if anyone else likes it then fine.

Also that argument that lfr steals raiders from higher difficulties: why would you care? A player who is fine with lfr only would slow your progress down anyway.

**Raelbo** · 2018-11-13, 03:31 PM