Titanforging is here to stay

[Synthium]

Leaving aside that you're straight up lying about your ilvl example.

Do you think nothing has change about wf/tf chances between Guldan and now?

I would probably answer more politely had you done the same but since you didn't: I don't give a fuck what some casual moron thinks about whether I am lying or not, if you invested time and nerves to join a proper guild and actually work out strats and give your best to be 10/10M and someone is only 1 ilvl in difference while just spamming M+10 and Heroic, you'd be disheartened too.

Look, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by being against a system that benefits normal-raiding, M+7 dwelling casual like yourself, but that doesn't make me a liar so much as it makes you someone that wants to keep getting loot showered at him.

As for your question - I've seen enough 380 weapons and trinkets from normals and 390 from heroics to know that it's pretty damn similar.

[Casperite]

are u comparing something that has a 10% chance with something that has 0.001% ?

Are you saying 10% odds are not gambling just because its higher than .01%? You do realize in actual casino gambling there are games with higher than 10% odds of winning, would you sit there and say that's not gambling?

[Beefkow]

Do you not math?
First of all getting 385+ guaranteed with a regular TF chance is by far not the same as getting a 370+ with a much lower TF chance. M+ is by far the least reward for effort in the game. Ask any regular M+ runner, which I am guessing you are not. Secondly: if you are purely running Mythic raids for the ilvl loots, that sounds horrible. We all like loot, but I would hope you also like the raid progression itself.

I mean I saw people getting 390+ gear the other day via RNG M + though I agree with you that it's rare to find a titanforge on M + gear.

The problem that i am pointing out is that it is POSSIBLE to obtain gear equivalent to mythic raid content from doing casual activities. Meanwhile back when before titanforge didn't exist, it was IMPOSSIBLE to obtain gear that exceeded the next tier.

On another note, I somehow managed to obtain a 395 rival titanforged ring.... RIP.

[Alphatorg]

I would probably answer more politely had you done the same but since you didn't: I don't give a fuck what some casual moron thinks about whether I am lying or not, if you invested time and nerves to join a proper guild and actually work out strats and give your best to be 10/10M and someone is only 1 ilvl in difference while just spamming M+10 and Heroic, you'd be disheartened too.

Look, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by being against a system that benefits normal-raiding, M+7 dwelling casual like yourself, but that doesn't make me a liar so much as it makes you someone that wants to keep getting loot showered at him.

As for your question - I've seen enough 380 weapons and trinkets from normals and 390 from heroics to know that it's pretty damn similar.

You realize your data is readily available?

Like your top 1000 guild (congrats, buddy) killing Gul'dan on 29th of May and ToS being released June 20th. Guess you killed him 7 times in 4 weeks?
Or that 9% ranked log where you have 911 ilvl?

p.s. Weapon drops can not titanforge in BFA, buddy. I'd call you a liar again, but at this point I've got to wonder if you got more serious problems.

[Bhorin]

I would probably answer more politely had you done the same but since you didn't: I don't give a fuck what some casual moron thinks about whether I am lying or not, if you invested time and nerves to join a proper guild and actually work out strats and give your best to be 10/10M and someone is only 1 ilvl in difference while just spamming M+10 and Heroic, you'd be disheartened too.

Look, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by being against a system that benefits normal-raiding, M+7 dwelling casual like yourself, but that doesn't make me a liar so much as it makes you someone that wants to keep getting loot showered at him.

As for your question - I've seen enough 380 weapons and trinkets from normals and 390 from heroics to know that it's pretty damn similar.

380 weapons cannot drop from normal.. probably not making a good case for you not lying. If you mean 390 weapons from heroics you're lying there too, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt and say you were only talking about trinkets in the latter half.

[MechaCThun]

Why not just regulate Titanforging to +5 levels instead of potentially +15 or higher?

[Alphatorg]

Why not just regulate Titanforging to +5 levels instead of potentially +15 or higher?

Because that would defeat its purpose, especially in balance with M10+ loot.

I don't actually know the answer to this, because I quit after NH mythic progression as well - apart from Azerite gear not proccing TF, what has changed? Genuinely interested - I've been trying to follow this, but I haven't found details. Can you enlighten me?

I know when I started EN mythic, I only had 3 pieces without TF/WF procs and we sharded most of the loot from mythc bosses because it was just worse than the TF stuff we were wearing. The situation was a bit better in NH due to tier bonuses, but there was still lot of anxious hangwringing (and lot of theorycrafting) when someone had to replace their TF piece with lower tier bonus piece.

It wasn't very much fun.

Weapons cant forge higher than +10 and iirc there was a blue post saying they reduced the TF procc chance.

[Archmage Alodi]

I would be fine with titanforging if mythic gear had higher ilvl with no titanforging. I don't care what other people are getting , i just want to be able to get my bis gear and be done with the tier.

[threads]

hate TF and WF. so annoying when you kill a boss and some lucky retard gets the same item as you but 15 ilvls higher for pretty much no reason.

[Bhorin]

Severely reduced TF proc chance would have been extremely nice change.

If only that were part of the original post from Blizzard...

We restrict the ability of pieces like weapons or Azerite armor to Titanforge, and we’ve reduced the chance of extreme Titanforging in BfA.

[glowpipe]

Exactly, retail cant really be fixed at this point. Unless they introduce some sort of pristine server

outdated game with no future updates, no content patches etc. Yeah. Have fun with your 2 months max of "quality" outdated shit

[Bhorin]

Cool. No need to be snippy about it. I asked for info nicely earlier in the thread.

One might imagine you'd read at least the root post before spouting off your generic opinion about titan forging.. but I guess that might be too much to ask.

[miwonehema]

so basically this entire thread is about people being jealous? k

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I really don’t get how people can be upset with a system with no down side. Litteraly All of the problems are player made not system made.

[MalfLFT]

outdated game with no future updates, no content patches etc. Yeah. Have fun with your 2 months max of "quality" outdated shit

The way the current game works, no amount of content can Even last 2 months, so ty. The only good part about retail is pvp and they refuse to spend a single sec on it.

If you think vanilla Will last 2 months you simply dont understand how the game worked

[Khallid]

It's not jealousy... Jesus have a bit of common sense. It's about Ilvl inflation. When the ilvl is inflated and you have 0 luck with loot suddenly a lot of people will be 5 or 10 ilvl higher than you even though you play same amount. Guess who will get invited into groups and who will be constantly declined. Yes the unlucky guy. I don't care about other people's loot I care that other people are so insanely lucky and because of that it's harder to get into mythic groups or raids.

Common sense? Common sense says you should join a guild if your goal is to get gear fast. Common sense says don't rely on luck to meet your goals.

Obtaining gear is not just a function of amount of time played. It's mainly a function of the kind of content you clear and the types of groups you're in. You can do hundreds of mythic+ keys and play 10 times more than I do and still have lesser gear, and that will not be because I got luckier than you. Mythic raids drop gear much faster because their base ilvl is much higher. And that happens because titanforging is actually pretty rare.

[miwonehema]

Common sense? Common sense says you should join a guild if your goal is to get gear fast. Common sense says don't rely on luck to meet your goals.

Obtaining gear is not just a function of amount of time played. It's mainly a function of the kind of content you clear and the types of groups you're in. You can do hundreds of mythic+ keys and play 10 times more than I do and still have lesser gear, and that will not be because I got luckier than you. Mythic raids drop gear much faster because their base ilvl is much higher. And that happens because titanforging is actually pretty rare.

not to mention that a lot of people when actively trying to gear toons, stack their odds, like keys with full leather groups.

[HuxNeva]

I mean I saw people getting 390+ gear the other day via RNG M + though I agree with you that it's rare to find a titanforge on M + gear.

The problem that i am pointing out is that it is POSSIBLE to obtain gear equivalent to mythic raid content from doing casual activities. Meanwhile back when before titanforge didn't exist, it was IMPOSSIBLE to obtain gear that exceeded the next tier.

On another note, I somehow managed to obtain a 395 rival titanforged ring.... RIP.

One piece, it is irrelevant to the big picture. Your 'problem' is just that, your problem. And I don't mean that in a bad way, just that it is not a game problem.

[Spotnick]

I think Blizzard still don't get how fun mythic progression is when you don't need any loot from it because you do heroic a lot more and get titanforged gear in there.

Granted they nerfed it and mythic+ chest loot is 5 lvl below now, but still.

[Deleted]

outdated game with no future updates, no content patches etc. Yeah. Have fun with your 2 months max of "quality" outdated shit

Well bfa was dead after month so yeah.