do u support the death penalty?

[Freighter]

No - for three reasons:
1. It doesn't punish the criminal
2. It can't be fixed if you get it wrong
3. Formalised killing by society destroys society - society is punished.

How does it not punish the criminal?

[schwarzkopf]

How does it not punish the criminal?

They are dead ... they experience nothing.

Want to punish someone - they need to be around for it.

[Deleted]

Some people deserve to die. Serial killers, people who murder with intent. Child molesters. War criminals. Certain terrorists.

[Freighter]

They are dead ... they experience nothing.

Want to punish someone - they need to be around for it.

Dying is the punishment.

[Phlegethon]

do u support the death penalty? if u support it then for what crimes? why not?

Ofcourse not, it is barbaric.
Aside from that: the chance of killing innocents is too great.

[apples]

criminals are a result of a poor society. any society with criminals in it needs to be exterminated. for the sake of my alien overlords.

wait no i mean for the sake of humans and earth. how do i edit this

[schwarzkopf]

Dying is the punishment.

Not to the criminal... the criminal isn't around.

Punishment doesn't exist if they aren't there.

[Freighter]

Not to the criminal... the criminal isn't around.

Punishment doesn't exist if they aren't there.

Are you high? I'm asking because it's pretty much impossible to make sense of this.

[Tsar Bomba]

In very extreme circumstances, yes. Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy - people who we know beyond a shadow of a doubt are guilty and have killed multiple innocents in premeditated murder. I think there exists a sane medium somewhere between Texas execution express lanes and Norway's college dorm accommodations for Breivik.

[Burgerberg]

No. It’s antithetical to the three inalienable rights (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) as laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

There's no such thing as "inalienable rights". Human rights are a manmade concept that can also be restricted or taken away if the circumstances are right.

[schwarzkopf]

I'm asking because it's pretty much impossible to make sense of this.

No - it is trivial to make sense of it.

Once you are dead you are not able to experience ANYTHING.
One of the things you can't experience is PUNISHMENT.

If you get sent to jail for 20 years, you experience 20 years of punishment - then you are released (after the punishment is complete)
If you get the death penalty, you experience no punishment.

[Freighter]

No - it is trivial to make sense of it.

If you get the death penalty, you experience no punishment.

You can pick one, not both. It's not trivial to make sense of it when you're saying someone dying as their punishment was not punished somehow. I have no idea what kind of convoluted reasoning you use to arrive at this.

[schwarzkopf]

You can pick one, not both.

I pick rationality - death is not a punishment for the criminal. It literally can't be as punishment requires awareness.

Now - it is a punishment for the family, for society, for those that have to carry it out.
In addition - the imprisonment leading up to the death are a punishment for the criminal.

However - the only bit that isn't a punishment is the death itself. That's just a simple fact.

[Freighter]

I pick rationality - death is not a punishment for the criminal. It literally can't be as punishment requires awareness.

Now - it is a punishment for the family, for society, for those that have to carry it out.
In addition - the imprisonment leading up to the death are a punishment for the criminal.

However - the only bit that isn't a punishment is the death itself. That's just a simple fact.

Like I said, I have no idea what kind of convoluted reasoning you use to arrive at this. Death is the punishment.

[schwarzkopf]

I have no idea what kind of convoluted reasoning

Nothing convoluted at all, I'm sorry that something so simple is something you can't understand.

How can anything be a punishment if the target isn't aware of it.

If I steal a car and the police just secretly pretend to put me in jail, but never tell me about it ... is that a punishment ?

[Paperfox]

Even if you believe that there is nothing after death, then the ending of someone's life would be pretty significant punishment.

Look at all the people who commit horrific crimes then try to bargain with the prosecutor that they'll plead guilty if the death penalty is taken off the table.

[Freighter]

Nothing convoluted at all

It's convoluted as fuck.

[Deleted]

only if a death note its used

[schwarzkopf]

Even if you believe that there is nothing after death, then the ending of someone's life would be pretty significant punishment.

Well, we know there is nothing for us after death - and sure the family, society all get punished by the death. But it certainly isn't a punishment.

Look at all the people who commit horrific crimes then try to bargain with the prosecutor that they'll plead guilty if the death penalty is taken off the table.

Sure - if you tell someone they are going to die in 6 months, they will suffer the same amount for those 6 months whether they die or not after the 6 months.

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It's convoluted as fuck.

I just put a brick out in the hot sun for 3 months... I hope that brick never drops on my toe again, I'm sure the 3 months of punishment will convince it to behave better

[Deleted]

Only when 100% proven guilty by evidence. (Like a videorecording of the actual crime)