Ivanka Trump shows Trump Family Hypocrisy

[Underverse]

How does this have 4 pages of comments?

Hillary was the SECRETARY OF STATE. And, mysteriously, all her emails were deleted.

Ivanka is just the first daughter and part of the admin. If the emails in question were deleted, then we can talk. Otherwise, just take a look at their content, slap her on the wrist (if there was nothing too serious sent), and be done with it.

So we should have an FBI investigation?

Also, "just part of the admin" - is this supposed to be an excuse? Quite pathetic.

[Kumorii]

It's funny how both sides jump on this to show the other side being hypocrites. Making themselves hypocrites in the process...

[Martymark]

I'm willing to lock up Ivanka, the day after we lock up Hillary.

[Underverse]

I'm willing to lock up Ivanka, the day after we lock up Hillary.

But your boss won't like that?

[Jibjub]

So we should have an FBI investigation?

Also, "just part of the admin" - is this supposed to be an excuse? Quite pathetic.

So, in your mind, there is no difference between Secretary of State and an unpaid adviser? lol

I'd be fine with an FBI investigation if there was cause (i.e., if a cursory glance at the emails in question showed that sensitive material was indeed sent and that thousands of emails were mysteriously disappeared). Sure. But I wouldn't want to waste too much money on an investigation if the reason to look at her emails about which dress to wear to which party was just because libs are upset and think they found some sort of parallel here.

And, of course, whatever punishment we deem fit for Ivanka (if she sent sensitive materials and is convicted) would also be applied to Hillary. I am 100% on board with ya, my brother or sister!

[Independent voter]

If it's true and she used personal email for sensitive government business then she should lose her security clearance.

Otherwise it's much to do about nothing.

Gizmodo.com is not the best of news sources.

[Skroe]

Escort her off the premises. Right now.

Hillary Clinton was a principal officer, the Senate confirmed Secretary of State. A position named in the Constitution. The Senate could have taken action if it chose to.

Ivanka Trump is technically an Executive Branch employee, namely an Adviser to the President. "First Daughter" isn't any more of a position than "First Amigo" or "First Dog" or "First Stuffed Animal".

We literally just had a stupid 20-something semi-new guy escorted off the premises last week for for blowing it with regards to company security policy (I won't go into further details). The same standard must apply to the fucking White House.

As an employee of the Executive Branch, who broke policy and potentially the law (Federal Records Act) she must be fired and escorted out. Immediately.


Any opposition to this is lowering the standard because it is Ivanka Trump, period. The rules are the rules.

[Martymark]

But your boss won't like that?

I asked Clint, the assistant branch manager what he thought. He's ok with jailing Ivanka the day after Hillary too.

[Underverse]

So, in your mind, there is no difference between Secretary of State and an unpaid adviser? lol

I'd be fine with an FBI investigation if there was cause (i.e., if a cursory glance at the emails in question showed that sensitive material was indeed sent and that thousands of emails were mysteriously disappeared). Sure. But I wouldn't want to waste too much money on an investigation if the reason to look at her emails about which dress to wear to which party just because libs are upset.

And, of course, whatever punishment we deem fit for Ivanka (if she sent sensitive materials and is convicted) would also be applied to Hillary. I am 100% on board with ya, my brother or sister!

No, there's certainly a difference. But you'd be ignorant to think that Ivanka's current role in government is entirely limited to that of an unattached, unpaid advisor. She almost definitely has more power over the presidency - in some ways - than Clinton did as Secretary of State, simply due to relation. It seems like you're keen to ignore that.

But, it doesn't really matter whether or not there's a difference. The magnitude of difference needs to be large enough to justify different treatment. You haven't made an argument to support that.

Also, you would need an investigation in order to know whether emails had disappeared or if sensitive material was sent. It's the investigation that you should be supporting. Whether or the there would be a punishment is questionable at best - I would say that there probably wouldn't be, as justified in either case.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

This is largely relevant because Trump and Graham are still threatening to investigate and prosecute Clinton.

Either it's a crime or it isn't, and if it is then Ivanka Trump might want to fit herself for a few prison jumpsuits.

[Projectmars]

It's bad and she should lose her job over it.

It was bad when Hillary did it and if she had got caught while in office she should have lost her job over it as well. Instead it was a major reason why she lost the presidency.

[Underverse]

I asked Clint, the assistant branch manager what he thought. He's ok with jailing Ivanka the day after Hillary too.

No no, the other guy you mindlessly follow. Chunky fellow, partly demented and wearing a bleached skunk on his head.

[Jibjub]

No, there's certainly a difference. But you'd be ignorant to think that Ivanka's current role in government is entirely limited to that of an unattached, unpaid advisor. She almost definitely has more power over the presidency - in some ways - than Clinton did as Secretary of State, simply due to relation. It seems like you're keen to ignore that.

But, it doesn't really matter whether or not there's a difference. The magnitude of difference needs to be large enough to justify different treatment. You haven't made an argument to support that.

Also, you would need an investigation in order to know whether emails had disappeared or if sensitive material was sent. It's the investigation that you should be supporting. Whether or the there would be a punishment is questionable at best - I would say that there probably wouldn't be, as justified in either case.

I do not ignore it. I just don't assume anything precisely because I am ignorant. Neither of us know what she is privy to in her role and how much power she truly has (while we know to some extent the role of Secretary of State). You have chosen to assume the worst and vilify her. I have chosen to shrug my shoulders and accept my ignorance.

I think the difference matters in the type of information they have access to--it could make a very big difference. If a bazillion white house officials and generals came out and said, "She doesn't know shit, libs, stop getting your panties in a wad," then I'd be perfectly content with that.

I don't think you'd need an investigation if the above were true. Let's call it a "preliminary investigation" if that helps ... does she or does she not have access to highly classified stuff and is that what she was sending?

We don't even have the whole story on Clinton to make a judgement.

[Fincayra]

Misdirection is hardly a Republican only tactic. As evidence of the sheer amount of Liberals that say they champion Women/Children etc yet keep getting outted as Rapists/Pedos etc.

That's literally my favorite part of politics. I remember in the 90's to early 2000's several unabashedly anti-gay republicans were caught in gay love situations.

[Jibjub]

Well this is just flat out lies.

Which part was the lie? I don't work in the white house, so beg your pardon if you do and you know what Ivanka was emailing!

[petej0]

They should be focusing less on her emails (unless they uncover that it had some crazy shit in it), and focus more on the fact that this woman has no fucking qualifications to be in her role. It's nepotism at her finest, and she has no fucking reason to be there. Republicans would be fucking crying if Hillary put her daughter in an assistant role.

Of course they would but being in any political position nobody would expect any different. Politics and business is full of nepotism and cronyism, is almost expected at this point.

So Hillary's emails are bad, but you're handwaving Ivanka using yahoo to do government business and Trump using an unsecured iPhone that Russia and China are tracking?

Hypocrites, every last one of you Trump supporters. Dirty rotten unethical hypocrites.

its not handwaving, its just not on the same level. Hillary was 4th in line of succession, she has access to heads of state in her normal daily work. She had a private server hidden from scrutiny and FOIA requests. Bottom line is nobody knew what the hell she was doing.

Ivanka is a glorified personal assistant and it hasnt been confirmed what work she is doing and what type of email (Private/public server) she was using. Seeing how they were able to FOIA on her emails, it sounds like she was using something akin to a yahoo or gmail account.

[Jibjub]

I don't think there should really be any punishment (unless it turns out something else was going on, but whatever) and I really hope Democrats don't shoot themselves in the foot slobbering over this.

That said, it should at least be "looked at" in the context of knowing what was exposed. Nothing more, though.

Agreed. Let's have a look. If she sent Nuke codes, then let's lock her up. If she didn't, then let's call her a doofus ignoramus and be done with it.

[Skroe]

They're claiming she didn't know you couldn't do that(even though her father was yelling about emails for months). Which is pretty special.

And also not an excuse!

[Themius]

Misdirection is hardly a Republican only tactic. As evidence of the sheer amount of Liberals that say they champion Women/Children etc yet keep getting outted as Rapists/Pedos etc.

Sexual assault is not a partisan issue. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[Ragedaug]

If only Reps weren't hypocritical they might see the humor in this.

But does it justify the smear campaign against her?

The hilarity is that WaPo will go out of their way to be hypocritical just to show the other side is hypocritical.


I would say, if Ivaka broke the law, she should be held accountable, just like I believe Hillary should have been.

Otherwise, the reason Republicans will defend her is because they are tired of seeing their representatives being held accountable and tossed out for doing the same stuff Democrats do and are not held accountable for. So I know they are being hypocritical, and I'm not excusing that, but I can understand why when we see Hillary continued to be celebrated, with no chance of being charged with anything, based on what Trump said after the election.


*and I do give credit to my liberal friends here at MMO-C. For the most part you guys are being consistent (at least what I've read so far) saying you don't care about Ivanka's email habits.