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  1. #221
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    The fuck you on about? Does the guy need to get fucked by the mafia due some shady ass loan to be considering gambling? It’s only cases with extreme consequences can be considered gambling? Is that the point here?
    Do you know what kind of situation gambling addicts are in? Do you know the sort of debt they pile up? Do you know the consequences of not paying your debt to a loan shark?

    People who play Magic The Gathering buy products. Buying products isn't gambling. You are not buying a product when you go into a casino with 1000$ and go out with 0.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Yeah, I hear that a lot from people playing the lottery as well.
    You have zero clue what you are talking about. You can sell TCG cards, often for a higher price than you spend on them. End of discussion. Deny this and you are just being ridiculous.
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  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Necroxis View Post
    Except it's not baseless legislation in any stretch of the word.

    Also children are not you.

    Shockingly people can care about others that are not ourselves.
    It's baseless if they don't legislate against similar products that have chance. If they do, it goes far beyond just games. Anything that is assorted and sealed to be hidden will be counted as gambling. It would expand the legal definition too far. So again... baseless.

    Oh please use the whole "it's for the children" shtick. Same thing said about opponents to violent video games, rap and rock music, and pornography. Guess loot boxes will be another scapegoat for bad parenting.
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  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Oh please use the whole "it's for the children" shtick. Same thing said about opponents to violent video games, rap and rock music, and pornography. Guess loot boxes will be another scapegoat for bad parenting.
    Except for, you know, the actual science behind it. Of which nothing has ever been shown that violent video games, rap music, and pornography have caused any increase in anything. Meanwhile children interacting with lootboxes for even as limited an amount of time as lootboxes have been a thing shows it already having a deleterious effect very similar to other kinds of gambling.

    Again it amazes me that people defend billion dollar corporations whose goal with lootboxes is to siphon any kind of cash left out of you under some deluded "Muh gubbment overreach" bullshit.

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    Whilst I maintain that Lootboxes are trash. I will never see them as Gambling. Since they aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroxis View Post
    Except for, you know, the actual science behind it. Of which nothing has ever been shown that violent video games, rap music, and pornography have caused any increase in anything. Meanwhile children interacting with lootboxes for even as limited an amount of time as lootboxes have been a thing shows it already having a deleterious effect very similar to other kinds of gambling.

    Again it amazes me that people defend billion dollar corporations whose goal with lootboxes is to siphon any kind of cash left out of you under some deluded "Muh gubbment overreach" bullshit.
    I never debated psychological effects of loot boxes, only that you are still scapegoating bad parenting. A young child also has psychological effects if exposed to graphic or pornographic content, and the correct response was to put a rating/warning for consumers to be aware. It is still entirely on the parent(s) to raise their kid. If their kid has an addiction or trust issue, they need to resolve it.

    The only thing I'm defending is common sense. Claiming that loot boxes is the same as hitting a casino or buying a lottery ticket is the exact opposite of common sense. Can't just hate on a business move and say "Hey, let's try to outlaw/legislate against this", it would very well fall under government overreach.
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    I never debated psychological effects of loot boxes, only that you are still scapegoating bad parenting. A young child also has psychological effects if exposed to graphic or pornographic content, and the correct response was to put a rating/warning for consumers to be aware. It is still entirely on the parent(s) to raise their kid. If their kid has an addiction or trust issue, they need to resolve it.
    No, a young child doesn't have anywhere close to the same psychological effects if exposed to graphic or pornographic content. I'm not scapegoating anything. Fuck this bullshit that there's nothing nobody else than the parent can do in order to mitigate the effects of a deleterious psychological practice that a private company is purposefully taking advantage of in order to hurt kids. You can do both at the same time.

    There's a reason that alcohol and cigarette commercials aren't played on children's networks and/or during hours when a network airs children's programming. And there are plenty of other examples of us doing basic things as a society so that we don't fuck up their psyche for money.

    You're wasting your time with some joke of a libertarian argument in order to defend companies that give no shits about you and practices that are actively ruining the gaming industry.

    And no, outlawing a corrupt practice of a private business actively harming their customers (Children or otherwise, since you seem butthurt that I'm against companies fucking over children for money for some reason) isn't government overreach by any stretch of the imagination. We already do it to plenty of other companies and industries.
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    The longer things keep going the more I want a western gaming industry to crash

    The inclusion of lootboxes should automatically make a game 18 rated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Whilst I maintain that Lootboxes are trash. I will never see them as Gambling. Since they aren't.
    Yeah, they are much worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcitng View Post
    Yeah, they are much worse
    If you think lootboxes are worse than actual gambling, you have serious issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    If you think lootboxes are worse than actual gambling, you have serious issues.
    It's no biggie, it all comes down to whether or not they share the formula with you on what's inside along with its odds. Who wants to toss money into a pit and buy into a dream? It's similar to lotto and should never be accessible to kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Whilst I maintain that Lootboxes are trash. I will never see them as Gambling. Since they aren't.
    Except they are.

    I work with recovering gambling addicts FOR A LIVING and I even showed them a loot box opening video....they outright said it was exactly like a slot machine, and if they were still active gamblers they would likely play a game...JUST TO BUY THESE BOXES and open them.

    They operate with the same machanics and tricks as a Slot Machine: Flashy Lights/Sounds when ya win, and they tempt you with free plays...just like a slot machine.

    Gambling DOES NOT require a monetary award. For someone who will be addicted, it's about that dopamine rush, and these boxes give the exact same rush and work on the same parts of the brain as pulling the lever on a slot machine.

    And I know this because I've legit had to help people who were addicted to loot boxes, and the treatment? Exactly the same as gambling...and it works. GA meetings, counseling, and having a family member (spouse, child, sibling, etc) set up controls on their accounts to block them from buying the boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    It's no biggie, it all comes down to whether or not they share the formula with you on what's inside along with its odds. Who wants to toss money into a pit and buy into a dream? It's similar to lotto and should never be accessible to kids.
    People with gambling problems don't care about the odds. You can show them that they have a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance to win, and they will still put their money in and play. For them it is not about winning or loosing. It is about the action between. The unknown, and that dopamine rush they get when they get to SEE whether they win or lose, but not the win or loss itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keile View Post
    Except they are.
    Except they aren't. They are no more gambling than a Collectible Card Game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Except they aren't. They are no more gambling than a Collectible Card Game.
    Except they are. Even the National Council on Compulsive Gambling recognizes them as such.
    Oh and TCG's are too.

    Gambling is simply trying to predict the outcome of a game of skill or chance (as defined by Gamblers Anonymous). So that little voice in your head? The one that goes: "I HOPE I GET X!"...that's the bet right there.

    I work in the industry and with the people. I know Gambling better than you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    If you think lootboxes are worse than actual gambling, you have serious issues.
    Everyone on the internet loves to throw this gem around but nobody ever specifies just what issues I might have...

    Oh and you're wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keile View Post
    Except they are. Even the National Council on Compulsive Gambling recognizes them as such.
    Oh and TCG's are too.

    Gambling is simply trying to predict the outcome of a game of skill or chance (as defined by Gamblers Anonymous). So that little voice in your head? The one that goes: "I HOPE I GET X!"...that's the bet right there.

    I work in the industry and with the people. I know Gambling better than you do.
    They clearly got serious issues too, according to the Professor Meat Rubbing Specialist.
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  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Except they aren't. They are no more gambling than a Collectible Card Game.
    collectible card games are not focus tested out the ass to have opening animations that do things like show a single frame of a legendary/max rarity item to force a false positive dopamine crash to indoctrinate habit forming users to get a "i was so close, just one more" mentality. Loot box animations are literally designed to brainwash and form an addiction in susceptible people. Thats a fact.

  16. #236
    Are Lootboxes gambling? for the most part yeah. I still don't have a problem with them so long as they are only cosmetic items. The only game I play that has loot boxes is Overwatch and I really don't have a problem with the lootboxes in that game. That being said I would not miss them if they went away. It just seems to me that alot of people who are against lootboxes are just using the whole "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" shit out of convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sails View Post
    The inclusion of lootboxes should automatically make a game 18 rated
    ^ this.

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  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    collectible card games are not focus tested out the ass to have opening animations that do things like show a single frame of a legendary/max rarity item to force a false positive dopamine crash to indoctrinate habit forming users to get a "i was so close, just one more" mentality. Loot box animations are literally designed to brainwash and form an addiction in susceptible people. Thats a fact.
    So if loot boxes openings are dull, it's all good? So many stretches people are trying for to tie some in-game rng to gambling.
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  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Except they aren't. They are no more gambling than a Collectible Card Game.
    learn what dopamine is and save us all the hassle of your debates.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    So if loot boxes openings are dull, it's all good? So many stretches people are trying for to tie some in-game rng to gambling.
    Crazier concept: You unlock things like skins by playing the game. Shocking idea i know. But of course the stretches addicts go to validate their addiction as somehow not 'paying money for random chances at on disc content' is nothing new, they are just having their rush/fix threatened and for some reason think championing for AAA lockboxes is the heroic stance to protect 'the little guy'.

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