Taelia and Yrel are both unlikable Mary Sues. Correlation with bad expansions?

[ImpTaimer]

No. The correlation is that bad expansions have bad writing and you notice it more because you're not enjoying the game.

Cata
WoD
now BFA

We're in the cycle of shitty filler expansion and then real expansion.
Cata = Filler
MoP = Main
WoD = Filler
Legion = Main
BFA = Filler

J/K the reality is that since post-merger, B-team is full of nu-male(and feminist) narcissists that care more about culture and statistics than video games. They try to to inject a bunch of their bullshit ideas for an entire expansion regardless of how bad they are (ie Cata) and then for next expansion they go into the last-resort bag to make everyone forget. Repeat every other expansion.

They're just trying to see how far they can get away with their shitty ideas. Liberals in a nut shell.

[cparle87]

I have more of an issue with how new characters means kill off the characters we actually wanted to see in Blizzard's eyes.

You wanted Rastakhan? Too bad we're killing him off for his daughter that you've never heard of before. You want to see more Maraad the iconic Draenei from the cinematics whom hasn't gotten to do much ingame? Too bad he needs to die so Yrel can get a bullshit powerup. Apparently if you have a younger woman in your story you're 100% dead in Blizzard's narrative. I get that new characters need to be brought in but they don't need to be brought in on the corpse of an already established character.

Yrel didn't get a power up from Maraad. Maraad was using a now unavailable to players move called Divine Intervention which makes the target immune to all damage for a short time at the cost of the caster's life.

[laplacedemon]

Uhh... No. Just no.

[mickybrighteyes]

I have more of an issue with how new characters means kill off the characters we actually wanted to see in Blizzard's eyes.

You wanted Rastakhan? Too bad we're killing him off for his daughter that you've never heard of before. You want to see more Maraad the iconic Draenei from the cinematics whom hasn't gotten to do much ingame? Too bad he needs to die so Yrel can get a bullshit powerup. Apparently if you have a younger woman in your story you're 100% dead in Blizzard's narrative. I get that new characters need to be brought in but they don't need to be brought in on the corpse of an already established character.

this, so much this.

sometimes characters that were barely there on the side get killed offscreen even. How they did Taylor was a load of bull.

[Izalla]

In what world is Taelia a Mary Sue? She's done literally nothing.

People see the "I was better than the others at fighting when I joined, even better than my instructor" thing and lose their minds, completely ignoring the part where she says she was personally trained from a little kid by Cyrus. It's like whining that Jon Snow was a good swordsman already when he got to the Night's Watch.

That's the only thing I've seen anyone be able to bring up about her, and they aren't even correct about it.

[Dylamoo]

Whilst many companies have tried to insert horrible Female characters into Movies/Games etc specifically as a "RAWR I AM WOMYN!" type deal. It doesn't always mean Female Characters are these types. The only problem is, when a character is written entirely as a Mary Sue it is hard to differentiate between just a Bad writer or a "Stronk Womyn" writer.

So basically, don't confuse Bad writing with horrible identity politics.

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Broxigar was a Larry Stu. This Convo seemed to be about Mary Sues. But he was also written by a Guy with an insatiable need to make everyone a Mary Sue/Larry Stu. Knaak was a Bad writer.

I'd be inclined to agree, however this is an on going trend. It's not one or the other, it's most definitely both bad writing/forced agenda.

[Spiffums]

I don't really find Taelia to be a Mary Sue. She's just excited to finally have an adventure. If you listen to her we are the best thing since sliced bread to her. She grew up there and everyone knows her and her place in society. She's a good adventurer and tag along who is there the whole time and not annoying. Flynn............he's the annoying Mary Sue lol

[Psidum]

Man this is getting old. People viewing everything through the lens of their hyper political / social ideologies. You watch a movie or play a game and think nothing of it, then later you get this kind of dribble. Left wingers attacking anything that can possibly be conceived as offensive regardless of intent and right winger "we are the victims, the world is against us, everything is a conspiracy" shheesh.

The internet fucking sux these days.

[Motso]

As liberal/leftist ideals/ leftist ass.

The moment I see people trying to apply American social standards and their bizarre classifications to things outside the US political system, I know that nothing else they have to say matters.
Straight up. As soon as you start seeing these weird terms being thrown around, you know that the American in question has run out of real arguments, and is trying to frame this videogame in their own weird political bubble.

I mean legit OP, why didn't you just type FUCK WOMEN over and over again because that is your whole thing. I mean, there are some 'who hurt you' woman haters on here but you gotta win a medal of some kind.
Like goddamn, is your back ok? Bending backwards like that to blame.. actually who are you blaming again? Leftists? Femininsts? Women? Ion?
Aye, FUCK WOMEN 100 times would have been a clearer message than your wall of blustery directionless hate.

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Man this is getting old. People viewing everything through the lens of their hyper political / social ideologies. You watch a movie or play a game and think nothing of it, then later you get this kind of dribble. Left wingers attacking anything that can possibly be conceived as offensive regardless of intent and right winger "the world is against us, everything is a conspiracy" shheesh.

The internet fucking sux these days.

The fuck even is a left winger or a right winger? Come to Australia, and they mean literally the opposite of what they mean Stateside. And yet the planet is still expected to understand the US system, simply because none of you lot can talk about anything unless you can work out where to jam it into your political spectrum.

[Anevers]

Mary Sue

I don't think the OP knows what this word means, instead he lifted his idea from 4chan or some other red pill hole and is trying to ply it here, much the same way a child tries to shove a square block through a round hole...least he isn't ranting about feminists and leftists...

I want to believe in theory 2. I think Ion has a fetish for pink hair and horned rim glasses, but he doesn't want to defile the good xpacs with fanfiction-tier characters just for some fat leftist ass.

I spoke too soon.

[Muajin76]

Me thinks the OP was burned by some woman named Mary Sue....thus creating a *poor me* thread about said woman.

[SealMemeSix]

Your 4chan is showing OP. Neither of those two are "Mary Sues" when they are judged in Warcrafts context. Yrels OP for rising to a military leader from a civilian more quickly yet Broxigars a-ok after killing thousands of demons and wounding a being large enough to cause the ice age just by stepping foot on Azeroth?
Even if you pull the classic defence in "i only care about the in-game shit" then the worst you arguably claim is that their story arcs are full of cliches, bland and/or shallow and very unbelievable but in a world where Anduin exists this is still an incredibly dumb argument. Oh but he's obviously just fine because hes male!

What makes this amusing is you actually had a perfectly valid target available, that would also fit in with your wonderful views about "women who are fat, pink haired slugs with sociology degrees and no real skills" aka the typical aggressive basement dweller "regressive feminist views are ruining everything!!!1!11" rhetoric, in Talanji yet you stuck to Alliance characters. I somehow doubt you have a particularly broad mind.

Anduin is just fine because he has been trained to be king his whole life, not to mention that he has Greymane and Velen for advisors, one of whom is the longest living human king and the other is an ancient being who has been leading his people longer than anyone on Azeroth by a long shot. Your analogy is just as bad as the writing of the dumpster tier waifus that you are white knighting.

[Vakir]

Taelia's barely done anything, though...?

[Nomads]

Funny how I like both Taelia and Yrel... how about the Zandalari princess? Is she a Mary Sue too? It has been the criticism of literally every self-important internet critic to call characters "mary sue" for as long as I remember.

Also, all you women hating tripe is pathetic. Yes, WoW has a lot of prominent female characters. But so what? All the "villians" of BfA have been women so far... Jaina for Horde, Sylvannas for Alliance, and Azshara for both...

Is that feminist propaganda to you?

[tangers58]

Yrel didn't get a power up from Maraad. Maraad was using a now unavailable to players move called Divine Intervention which makes the target immune to all damage for a short time at the cost of the caster's life.

*sigh* I miss it so much

[Krawu]

In retrospect I think even though yes, Yrel had a bad case of being a Mary Sue I really liked how Blizz wrapped up her story. If you don't know what I'm talking about do the unlock quest for the Mag'har Orcs allied race.
Not going to spoil anything here, but it's a nice piece of speculation on what might happen if life keeps handing someone too many wins.

Funny how I like both Taelia and Yrel... how about the Zandalari princess? Is she a Mary Sue too? It has been the criticism of literally every self-important internet critic to call characters "mary sue" for as long as I remember.

Also, all you women hating tripe is pathetic. Yes, WoW has a lot of prominent female characters. But so what? All the "villians" of BfA have been women so far... Jaina for Horde, Sylvannas for Alliance, and Azshara for both...

Is that feminist propaganda to you?

Stop looking for misogyny where there isn't any.

[SealMemeSix]

Lol at the white knights slamming that "Heh OP is projecting" macro that they use every chance they get. Truly original and intelligent feedback. Wouldn't expect more from a bunch of regressive yes ma'ams. M'lady won't defend herself.

[CasualFilth]

Sylvanas and Anduin are more of a Mary-Sue than Taelia.

[matrix123mko]

Add Zekhan to this list. He is a boy, but he will have exactly same role.

[Lyvefire]

Anduin is just fine because he has been trained to be king his whole life, not to mention that he has Greymane and Velen for advisors, one of whom is the longest living human king and the other is an ancient being who has been leading his people longer than anyone on Azeroth by a long shot. Your analogy is just as bad as the writing of the dumpster tier waifus that you are white knighting.

Anduin was not training in combat whatsoever until very recently. That is a fact. Theres also a huge difference between training and actual experience in ruling and he has none of the latter for Stormwind nevermind the whole Alliance.

But nah, im just "white-knighting".

Boy king with no experience in combat being thrust into the leadership of arguably the largest Military organization on the planet with no combat experience, nor actual leadership experience and has burst out crying from simply being in a combat scenario is overnight, universally endorsed by said Alliance to lead it after previous leaders demise with no dissent = Good writing

Draenei/human who steps up from the sidelines to lead with some experience already evolving over the course of 10 levels into competant commanders who don't achieve anything noteworthy. = Unforgivably bad writing.

Sure Jan.