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Well that's just rude and asking for trouble on the best days... I was more referring to the general burning of flags and calling Merkel Hitler 2.0 things that happened back then. But it doesn't matter anymore, we're all crossing our fingers that you can sort it out, though.
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But national governments legislate under instruction of EU policy, imposing levels of taxation and regulation as a result of this.
The amount of tax and regulation you personally, more importantly businesses, are subject to directly affects how competitive and what the growth of enterprise is.
The EU could choose to encourage or it could stifle an economy, unfortunately it always chooses the latter. That is why the EU is so scared of an unfettered Britain just off its shores and seeks to constrain its competitive ability by binding it ad infinitum to EU rules.
I'll just drop this in here as proof.
Despite Brexit! Were any economists predicting that at the time of the referendum? Were they hell.
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13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
the first consequence of-not-so-certain HoC vote has emerged: Japan PM Shinzo Abe's visit is now postponed until january. May needs all her focus to bring the vote home, but Abe's visit was scheduled to give some support to Brexit.
But will she even stay in office until then ?
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
easy counterproof:
"Today’s we’re getting the first proper economic analysis of the Brexit deal agreed between the UK and the EU and signed off at yesterday’s Brussels summit. And it says that, under this plan, after 10 years the UK economy would be almost 4% smaller than if it would if the country remained in the EU."
source: Guardian online article
flip a coin and decide who to believe ...
btw: meaningful vote is within 2 weeks.
"Labour sources are saying there could be as much as five days of Brexit debate in the run up to the meaningful final vote on or around December 12"
dec12 is a wednesday, so debate would arise wednesday next week or so unless HoC plans to sit on weekend too.
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It's just fascinating to read his posts. In one post he argues that the EU stifles growth and the UK is doing great just because of brexit, which hasn't happened yet, to then say that despite everything the UK was not stifled by the EU, and apparently the EU isn't even trying to but they are trying to chain the UK to abide EUs rules forever.
How is factual reporting of figures propaganda? It is quite fair to say that Germany might be in recession by the end of the year and if Germany is in recession you might as well say the EU is in recession. And soon without the safety net of British charity subsidies to offset it. You could also summarise, if that is the case, that the EU economy is about to fall off a cliff without a UK parachute to save it.
A lucky escape we have had indeed.
The UK, as far as it can, tries to filter as many EU rules away as possible to enable industry. Other nations embrace them all down to the finest minutiae and stifle enterprise as a result. It isn't that hard to understand post Brexit, as long as we don't get Mays deal, how the UK economy can fly set free of this burden.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
So there's going to be a debate most likely and labour for some reason think they can get a better deal because a single european prime minister said there might be a chance for that, what they won't find a majority for between two parties.
And everyone who wants brexit that isn't potentially devastating is considered undemocratic since it doesn't match the fringe movement wishes of a brexit what seems to be build of nostalgia and smoke screens, essentially banking on the idea the EU isn't as insane and wants to prevent social bloodbaths due to an economic shock, unwilling to accept that the EU has been preparing for a no deal scenario for quite some time, unlike the UK who have yet to reach any consensus of how the brexit should look like, while at the same time dismissing all 'experts' and trading them in for populist politicians, who most likely all come from money or have money and so are able to withstand the economic train wreck better, and i suppose being in denial does make people sleep better.
Maybe all of this is some sort of long term plan to go back to the era of lords and servants, although i probably give the average brexiteer far too much credit in the headspace department when saying that.
I wouldn't want to be accused of exaggerating though, I mean its bad enough from an EU perspective already? But then again some wise sages have said in the past Brexit would hurt the EU more than it would the UK!
And oh yes am I counting the days. It will soon be time to organise the street parties and other celebrations, me I'd make Brexit day a national holiday. In time perhaps it will be and brexiteer heroes given the true recognition they deserve.
Anyhow here is where we are...
So many ways for the EU puppet Maybot to lose, a minefield to navigate for the win.
Tick tock.
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13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
as mentioned ago, the time is set for the stage to play this charade before dec12, now with a real schedule:
CCLA (scheduled for wed 12) means Commons Consideration of Lords Amendments, the vote itself is on tue 11.
theresa may wants to debate corbyn on tv
she's a masochist lmao
I honestly have no idea where this idea for a televised debate has come from and seeing as the public are not involved in whether May's proposal (or whatever) is accepted it all seems a little pointless.
"Donald Trump has delivered a weighty blow to Theresa May’s hopes of steering her Brexit deal through parliament, saying it sounded like a “great deal for the EU” that would stop the UK trading with the US."
UK should be glad; they will escape the greedy businesses ?
I assume by pointing out the disaster a no deal scenario will create and making the electorate put pressure to vote Yes for this deal.
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Oh look Russia's prime bitch is trying to further make an already volatile situation more problematic. not that this will change much about the public opinion the deplorables will eat this up and the same people will ignore him.
My money is on the ECJ saying it has to be accepted by the member states unilaterally. What the original draft intended is only one of the methodologies to interpret the law, practicality also comes into it.
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Populists hyperbole. Of course the UK won't stop trading with the US regardless of the outcome. That's just as preposterous as saying the UK won't deal with the EU in a no deal scenario. People are way too prone to just believing anything they're told, if it only sounds scandalous enough.
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