Shockadins and Boomkin

[xindralol]

Priest levelling was fun, think you used to level using a wand for attacking as you had a talent for it that made it powerful

yeah slow dps but no downtime as you were outside the 5sec most of the time so always near full mana

[BicycleMafioso]

No, you could do what group expected you to do, or you didn't get a group. Wow is an mmo you need 4 other people to clear the basic content and 39 other people to clear the hardest.

These nich playstyles and specs existed in pvp mostly because in random instance pvp the other people didn't have a say in it. NO ONE was happy having a Shockadins on the random team when they could have a pure healer or pom pyro mage instead.

Right. But this guy's main focus is leveling. He wants to level with shockadin / boomkin and "maybe do mc far later". Yet everyone is telling him bullshit advice about raiding or grouping at max level. He wants to find a spec to have fun with on the journey there.
For many people, vanilla is about reaching 60 and then (maybe) finding something to do at 60. For others, it seems to be to get leveling over with so you can start the game finally.
This guy just wants to level. Let him get advice on that instead of arguing how someone is wrong based on end-game.

And no, you would not want a pom pyro mage on your team in a BG over a shockadin, because they would be useless for 3 minutes. Elemental mage was the skill spec that you would ideally want on your team, otherwise deep frost.
Besides, shockadins weren't a dps in pvp and didn't play as one. They were a healer with burst damage. You would want that on your team. Paladin is the most important class for the alliance in both pvp and pve. But you are right that the class description did do much, much harm to paladins.

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yeah slow dps but no downtime as you were outside the 5sec most of the time so always near full mana

Yeah, before level 40 you were 5/x/5. Wand spec, spirit tap and the rest holy. Do a bunch of holy burst, SW pain, wand. Sometimes a pw shield before pulling, depending on mana and expected damage. Surprisingly fun, I enjoyed that and even forewent the respec to shadow at 40, because I could just keep going. My priest stopped around 48 before I stopped having time for it, with the end game on my main before tbc came though.

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Right. But this guy's main focus is leveling. He wants to level with shockadin / boomkin and "maybe do mc far later". Yet everyone is telling him bullshit advice about raiding or grouping at max level. He wants to find a spec to have fun with on the journey there.
For many people, vanilla is about reaching 60 and then (maybe) finding something to do at 60. For others, it seems to be to get leveling over with so you can start the game finally.
This guy just wants to level. Let him get advice on that instead of arguing how someone is wrong based on end-game.

And no, you would not want a pom pyro mage on your team in a BG over a shockadin, because they would be useless for 3 minutes. Elemental mage was the skill spec that you would ideally want on your team, otherwise deep frost.
Besides, shockadins weren't a dps in pvp and didn't play as one. They were a healer with burst damage. You would want that on your team. Paladin is the most important class for the alliance in both pvp and pve. But you are right that the class description did do much, much harm to paladins.

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Yeah, before level 40 you were 5/x/5. Wand spec, spirit tap and the rest holy. Do a bunch of holy burst, SW pain, wand. Sometimes a pw shield before pulling, depending on mana and expected damage. Surprisingly fun, I enjoyed that and even forewent the respec to shadow at 40, because I could just keep going. My priest stopped around 48 before I stopped having time for it, with the end game on my main before tbc came though.

then problem solved there is no shockadin till you have that specific gear set gained from mid to late vanilla raids. also holy shock was an end talent.

he can level like every other paladin. with his seal on and watching porn hub whilst auto attacking.

[EternalBany]

It was invented in vanilla iirc with super geared paladins making PvP videos, but in TBC is when it became "mainstream" yea

No it did not
TBC health pools were just too big for shockadins
Shockadins are only Vanilla, cause the spell dmg trinkets and Hp permit it

[freezion]

No it did not
TBC health pools were just too big for shockadins
Shockadins are only Vanilla, cause the spell dmg trinkets and Hp permit it

Shockadins were a fairly solid and used concept in TBC, and FAR more common and successfull than it ever were in vanilla.
Not as oneshot wonders, but as a way of having your healer contribute with damage in arenas and BGs.

Their damage output were just fine (although bursty), had great surviability and did fine healing.
It became a fairly used playstyle in PVP as gladiator gear got easier to obtain.

[BicycleMafioso]

No it did not
TBC health pools were just too big for shockadins
Shockadins are only Vanilla, cause the spell dmg trinkets and Hp permit it

In tbc, spell power gear being ubiquitous (since it was one of the three paladin pvp sets if nothing else) meant that it was available en masse.
It was very viable in tbc due to item effects scaling with spell power. Skullflame Shield, Six Demon Bag et cetera. Six demon bag with judge and holy shock was heavy damage with wings.

[chooi]

leveling your first toon as a warrior is .... painful. Always rage starved and no self healing what so ever so if you fight more than a mob or two at equal level you will die. Make sure to save all your cloth to make bandages and remember you cant rend shit that logically wouldnt bleed

That's why you level 1h+shield and 2h Fury with Blood Craze and Bloodthirst until at least 40/50 for solo content.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

Also if we're gonna talk misinformation, then the bigger crime is you trolls leading on these poor noobs into thinking things like this were remotely viable.

Paladins were buff bits and spot healers, that was it. Dont try and mislead people into rolling paladins thinking they will ever be allowed to dps in a raid or be competitive out side of healing in pvp.

Wow classic coke is patch 1.12. With phased releases to AQ which 99% of wow classic players won't Evean see the inside of. That means no reck bombs, no spell power gear, no avenging wrath and no dps paladins.

I'm genuinely curious: Why do people like you, who clearly didn't play during Vanilla, insist on trying to convince utterly random and anonymous people on the Internet who neither know who you are or give a flying fuck even if they did that you played during Vanilla? To the point of spreading blatant misinformation and, when getting called out on how fucking ignorant you are while simultaneously proving you weren't playing in Vanilla, then proceed to bitch, moan, and accuse everyone else of not knowing what they're talking about?

Seriously.

Why the fuck do you liars do that?

I'd really like to understand the psychology there.

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I'm genuinely curious: Why do people like you, who clearly didn't play during Vanilla, insist on trying to convince utterly random and anonymous people on the Internet who neither know who you are or give a flying fuck even if they did that you played during Vanilla? To the point of spreading blatant misinformation and, when getting called out on how fucking ignorant you are while simultaneously proving you weren't playing in Vanilla, then proceed to bitch, moan, and accuse everyone else of not knowing what they're talking about?

Seriously.

Why the fuck do you liars do that?

I'd really like to understand the psychology there.

because i did and i haven't been called out, everything i have said is true bar misremebering when holy shock was added to the game. which is understandable as the prot tree was best for both healing and damage.

now my question to you, as im genuinely curious, why do you feel such a need to think only people who hold your opinion played vanilla ? and why do you think your opinions are correct and gospel, not every one who played vanilla enjoyed it for the game play. some and i dare say most played because there friends played. vanilla as far as MMO's go was casual trash compared to ever quest.

and why do you feel the need to mislead people into thinking
1. vanilla was hard, it wasn't it was just time consuming
2. it was less cookie cutter, no it was more cookie cutter than even today, you played what you were fucking told to play or you didn't raid
3. it was more accommodating and less toxic, nope people who raided and did high end pvp still called you scrubs and laughed at you and trolled you.

you are the kind of person that likely never saw the inside of molten core or never actually played vanilla. and has some fantasy vision based on the nostalgia of older players.

id like to understand the psycology of some one who thinks they can take forum posts and make whole judgments about people, because we have a word for people who do that.

the point people are making is we had a shit experience in vanilla because of bad class choices, so don't make the same mistake.

same reason i warn people against smoking even though i smoke.

[Rothg]

Holy Shock has a 30 second cooldown in vanilla. Have fun with that "shockadin".

Also boomkin is garbage in PvE because you run out of mana super fast and can't use debuff slots.

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Step down off the high horse, elitist. Not everyone has explored every zone.

I've been playing since 2007 and in private servers I discovered so many new quests/areas that I just didn't end up visiting back in the day.

Also not going to be doing much leveling with Holy Shock, considering its the final talent in the tree.

[LionSinMaikeru]

No, you could do what group expected you to do, or you didn't get a group. Wow is an mmo you need 4 other people to clear the basic content and 39 other people to clear the hardest.

Not true at all.

Did you read the post I quoted? If you work with your team and everyone knows what you're doing / trying to do it'll work.

Nobody is suggesting you say F U to the rest of the party and do your own thing without telling them. Also consider this is 2018, not 2004. People know where gear drops, how to do things better in general, etc. I guarantee we'll be seeing more variety than original vanilla had because we know more now than we did back then.

[RobertMugabe]

There's nothing actually wrong with them apart from competitiveness. I would choose a regular dps class in a raid if given the option but I wouldn't just exclude specs because getting 40 players isn't easy. Especially every week.

Raiding is basically the only real content that excludes people and I think that's fine.

Both of these specs are also incredibly boring (even for vanilla standards), even when you're not out of mana. And boomkin does not offer like any extra utility, nor does it fit a niche or whatever. Boomkin for example is just a totally unfinished spec.

So I don't get what the appeal to these specs is except that some people want to be the "underdog" intentionally.

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Not true at all.

Did you read the post I quoted? If you work with your team and everyone knows what you're doing / trying to do it'll work.

Nobody is suggesting you say F U to the rest of the party and do your own thing without telling them. Also consider this is 2018, not 2004. People know where gear drops, how to do things better in general, etc. I guarantee we'll be seeing more variety than original vanilla had because we know more now than we did back then.

yea like what doesn't work and what holds the group back. there will be even less variety than in vanilla because 1. theres less misinformed people and barley any one is still a kid. and 2. there will be less people in general there for less people able to get the high gear needed to make the niche specs work.

this dude can spend forever leveling a paladin and finally get holy shock then go into a BG and get his arse handed back to him by a rogue / lock / warrior or w/e within a few globals but unless masochistic he wont be around for long after that.

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Both of these specs are also incredibly boring (even for vanilla standards), even when you're not out of mana. And boomkin does not offer like any extra utility, nor does it fit a niche or whatever. Boomkin for example is just a totally unfinished spec.

So I don't get what the appeal to these specs is except that some people want to be the "underdog" intentionally.

old youtubers.

some people got fame by taking these really random specs, stuff that like you said was unfinished and never intended to work, getting a list of specific items that would allow these specs to have now and again moments of OP. fliming it with good old fraps and stitching the clips together showing only the BIG crit one shot moments that in reality happed once every few BG's sticking rock music over it and banging it up on YouTube or the old google videos, hell i had a shitty pvp vid on google videos(because for some reason it would only upload there and not youtube). and all that was was 3-4 days of wsg and AB spam then stitching together the odd time i actually killed some one with stacks of reckoning. 90% of the time i was actually just getting shat on and being a drag on my team, and deservedly getting abuse for it. it was cringy as only a 16 year old could make it. had ace of fucking spades playing over the top, also my pc was shit so the recording looked worse than fucking runescape >.<

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Please atleast try to look things up before you post if you are unsure. Spreading missinformation is doing noone any good.

Holy shock was the last talent in the holy tree. And Shockadins was a thing with really geard bored ppl.

Let's also point out though that Holy Shock is utterly worthless (for Healers, because DPS Paladins didn't exist even as Ret, much less as Holy) in Vanilla. It is juuust barely worth using in an emergency IF and only IF you're currently moving. 30s CD. 31-point talent.

[BicycleMafioso]

Also not going to be doing much leveling with Holy Shock, considering its the final talent in the tree.

Which you normally get at level 40. Which is less than half the way to 60. (I think 47 - 48 is the actual halfway point in terms of experience or time)

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Let's also point out though that Holy Shock is utterly worthless (for Healers, because DPS Paladins didn't exist even as Ret, much less as Holy) in Vanilla. It is juuust barely worth using in an emergency IF and only IF you're currently moving. 30s CD. 31-point talent.

Its scaling for healing is also incredibly bad compared to other healing spells, further emphasising its origins as a damage-only spell. It has the same damage as healing, so it is only meant, as you say, in emergencies when moving and when you don't need to cleanse or need to LoH (or don't want to lose all your mana)

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Which you normally get at level 40. Which is less than half the way to 60. (I think 47 - 48 is the actual halfway point in terms of experience or time)

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Its scaling for healing is also incredibly bad compared to other healing spells, further emphasising its origins as a damage-only spell. It has the same damage as healing, so it is only meant, as you say, in emergencies when moving and when you don't need to cleanse or need to LoH (or don't want to lose all your mana)

but no spell power plate. and it does pritty shitty dmg at rank 1 at level 40.

and you missing out on seal of command, or reckoning or vengance or more importantly precision if you want to hit things more than once a blue moon.

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Which you normally get at level 40. Which is less than half the way to 60. (I think 47 - 48 is the actual halfway point in terms of experience or time)

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Its scaling for healing is also incredibly bad compared to other healing spells, further emphasising its origins as a damage-only spell. It has the same damage as healing, so it is only meant, as you say, in emergencies when moving and when you don't need to cleanse or need to LoH (or don't want to lose all your mana)

im trying to get what your angle is here. are you trying to get the OP to play a class thats already slow and frustrating to level and do it in a very sub-optimal and frustrating way, thats likely to get him laughed at.

whats your gain here ?

[BicycleMafioso]

but no spell power plate. and it does pritty shitty dmg at rank 1 at level 40.

and you missing out on seal of command, or reckoning or vengance or more importantly precision if you want to hit things more than once a blue moon.

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im trying to get what your angle is here. are you trying to get the OP to play a class thats already slow and frustrating to level and do it in a very sub-optimal and frustrating way, thats likely to get him laughed at.

whats your gain here ?

First quote.
That is hyperbole. Besides, I clearly answered the question given without any other kind of agenda. I just answered the question.

Second quote.
My gain? I care about letting people have the kind of fun they want to have. I want to warn people about the trap falls they can expect, and then I want to answer questions or clear misconceptions.
I recommend that you scroll up, click search thread, advanced search, search my user name in the thread.
You are trying to push an agenda, I only want to make people able to do the things they want to, but with a more complete sense of understanding of the landscape.
Your experience from playing a paladin is a stark contrast to mine, yet you try to push that yours is the only truth and that everyone is going to have your experience.

The op, who has not posted in several pages I might add, received advice and didn't care about its speed or its perception as suboptimal, they want to do it anyway. Then why would I waste time to continue arguing? If they want to do it, fine. Let's give them all the help we can.

I personally was 25/26/0 (post spec revamp, can't remember pre spec revamp, but I had improved blessing of salvation, so I was deep prot), so I could heal people really well, have access to BoSanc for flag carriers, and reckoning so that when I had four stacks, I could use seal of righteousness, pop a hoj, and then burst a fool. I was never Shockadin myself, but when I played warrior, I had a friend in full t2 who was.
But the op wants to level, take their time, explore. My pvp experience, or experience leveling with the hedgehog build (shield spike, holy shield, BoSanc) doesn't matter to them, so why would I push it?

[Stormspellz]

Shockadins were a fairly solid and used concept in TBC, and FAR more common and successfull than it ever were in vanilla.
Not as oneshot wonders, but as a way of having your healer contribute with damage in arenas and BGs.

Their damage output were just fine (although bursty), had great surviability and did fine healing.
It became a fairly used playstyle in PVP as gladiator gear got easier to obtain.

only as memes, it was never used competitively outside of 2v2 instant gib gimmicks by you know lol 2v2

[Doctor Funkenstein]

because i did and i haven't been called out

Yeah, no you haven't and yes you have.

And yet here you are, continuing the lie. Are you even convincing yourself at this point? Seriously, it's fascinating. Well, more sad than fascinating, but fascinating nonetheless.

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Yeah, no you haven't and yes you have.

And yet here you are, continuing the lie. Are you even convincing yourself at this point? Seriously, it's fascinating. Well, more sad than fascinating, but fascinating nonetheless.

whats sad is that you cant stand the idea that some people had bad experiences in vanilla and thus feel the the need to find excuses for the negative press.
you try to rationalize your delusion by casting out the naysayers and critics. its a very common problem.

funny thing is you can easily find me on wow census. guild was "dark clan of death" server was kul trias and i played paladin. go find my old char.