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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    ''Realism''. It ruins their ''realist'' game of soldiers politely fighting in 40 vs 40 battles. Everyone know that on D-Day, 40 Allied soldiers attacked 40 Axis ones, replaced as they rage-quitted.
    Its almost as one is core part of gameplay and another is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    Do you do you? Can you see that games are built upon a Skinner blue print and offer nothing outside of that one method? Have you gazed upon the entire foundations of games with only one option, that option being the illusion of an adventure with the parapets of greed woven throughout the code? It is quite clear that GTA V online and RDR2 online are separate entities to the main game entirely. They piggyback on the success of a quality product to pick the pockets of fools, but they still produce a quality experience beforehand. That can't be said for many other games that are made these days as nothing more than 4 hour tech demos, grandiose fibs of the content, and then the other games are just obvious cash grabs. The single player options con no one, because they are separate. To try and lead on down the road of witless quips shows a pathetic attempt at finding a contradiction or a morsel of irony that was never present.
    So when the ceo says this https://m.ign.com/articles/2017/11/0...l-future-games

    You dont think they arent planning to build them from the ground up just like other games youre complaining about?

    But sure, call them seperate despite you needing to buy the game to access them... making them part of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Are we seriously still doing the whole OMG ANY CRITICISM MUST AUTOMATICALLY BE BECAUSE SEXISM/RACISM? HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

    Grow the fuck up and get over it.
    No not any. but if you are crying that women are in bf5, yes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    So when the ceo says this https://m.ign.com/articles/2017/11/0...l-future-games

    You dont think they arent planning to build them from the ground up just like other games youre complaining about?

    But sure, call them seperate despite you needing to buy the game to access them... making them part of the game
    If their future single player games are rife with microtransactions then they will have transitioned to exploitative and we can all pass on those. The immutable fact remains GTA V and RDR2 offer superior single player experiences without the use of predatory microtransactions. The online counterpart being predatory doesn't alter that.

    Developer A makes product B (No MTX), but has an online mode with MTX Product B+

    That's making a game worth the purchase price with no credit card swiping to get anything in game.

    Developer C makes product D with MTX. There is no other product, the game was designed from the ground up to be nothing more than a vehicle for compulsive shallow profit from the unsuspecting fool.

    Currently GTA V and RDR2 fall under developer A.

    If you can't see the difference between that then you need to spend a lot less time on your games and more on improving your derisory education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    ''Realism''. It ruins their ''realist'' game of soldiers politely fighting in 40 vs 40 battles. Everyone know that on D-Day, 40 Allied soldiers attacked 40 Axis ones, replaced as they rage-quitted.
    Exactly! Because there are technical limitations and gameplay mechanics that are necessary for a enjoyable game, there shall be no historical accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    If their future single player games are rife with microtransactions then they will have transitioned to exploitative and we can all pass on those. The immutable fact remains GTA V and RDR2 offer superior single player experiences without the use of predatory microtransactions. The online counterpart being predatory doesn't alter that.

    Developer A makes product B (No MTX), but has an online mode with MTX Product B+

    That's making a game worth the purchase price with no credit card swiping to get anything in game.

    Developer C makes product D with MTX. There is no other product, the game was designed from the ground up to be nothing more than a vehicle for compulsive shallow profit from the unsuspecting fool.

    Currently GTA V and RDR2 fall under developer A.

    If you can't see the difference between that then you need to spend a lot less time on your games and more on improving your derisory education.
    Im glad you love the game enough to give is a pass, but ill judge it as a full game that has mt's to exploit people that you even admitted to.

    Now lets look at the game octopath traveler that has no: mt's, season pass, dlc, or preorder bonuses and it was an amazing game. You seemed to have over looked that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    "Historical Accuracy" my ass. They're just arcade shooters with whatever skins fit the theme of the era they're setting the game in.

    They're no more or less accurate with women in them, or with tentacled eldritch horrors wearing Nazi uniforms. People need to stop pretending this shit matters to anyone. Just reinforces all the negative stereotypes people have about the gaming community.
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    Exactly! Because there are technical limitations and gameplay mechanics that are necessary for a enjoyable game, there shall be no historical accuracy.
    BFV is not accurate by any stretch of imagination. Having things looking like Tiger tanks does not mean it's realism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    "Historical Accuracy" my ass. They're just arcade shooters with whatever skins fit the theme of the era they're setting the game in.

    They're no more or less accurate with women in them, or with tentacled eldritch horrors wearing Nazi uniforms. People need to stop pretending this shit matters to anyone. Just reinforces all the negative stereotypes people have about the gaming community.
    To me it does matter and because of that I don't buy those games. The whole equality and representation bullshit is just the tip of the iceberg for me. I just responded because the presented argument is extremely dumb and nonsensical.

    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    BFV is not accurate by any stretch of imagination. Having things looking like Tiger tanks does not mean it's realism.
    I did never argue that BFV is accurate and I also did never talk about realism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    "Historical Accuracy" my ass. They're just arcade shooters with whatever skins fit the theme of the era they're setting the game in.

    They're no more or less accurate with women in them, or with tentacled eldritch horrors wearing Nazi uniforms. People need to stop pretending this shit matters to anyone. Just reinforces all the negative stereotypes people have about the gaming community.
    Then why go for WW2 setting ? Or at least make clear you are going for alternate reality approach like Wolfenstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    To me it does matter and because of that I don't buy those games. The whole equality and representation bullshit is just the tip of the iceberg for me. I just responded because the presented argument is extremely dumb and nonsensical.



    I did never argue that BFV is accurate and I also did never talk about realism.
    People just really like to attach the racist and sexist label on anyone for not liking a shit game when people usually don't like that game because it's shit. BF5 could take photographs of real soldiers who fought in WWII and copy all their features and it would still be a shit game. The UI, the arcade feel, and the cosmetics are all points of ridicule. Give me a hardcore, zero UI, WWII game where you play as a female sniper and I'll play the fuck out of it and shoot the dicks off of all the men. This isn't about broads storming Nazi camps, the game is shit because all of the decisions that went into it were a fucking joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    Exactly! Because there are technical limitations and gameplay mechanics that are necessary for a enjoyable game, there shall be no historical accuracy.
    The game never advertised itself has 100% historically accurate. So I'm not sure why you think it must suddenly be 100% accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Then why go for WW2 setting ? Or at least make clear you are going for alternate reality approach like Wolfenstein.
    WWII carries a lot of clout as far as war games go as a setting, and also because they are creatively bankrupt. How many people lost their shit when Pharah or Widow were shown to be women? The developers wanted a shooter where they could sell cosmetics, they just chose the wrong setting because they have no other tricks in their toolkit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Then why go for WW2 setting ? Or at least make clear you are going for alternate reality approach like Wolfenstein.
    Can't be minor changes? it has to be 100% accurate or complete fantasy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    The game never advertised itself has 100% historically accurate. So I'm not sure why you think it must suddenly be 100% accurate.
    I'm not sure why you think that I think that the game must be 100% accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    People just really like to attach the racist and sexist label on anyone for not liking a shit game when people usually don't like that game because it's shit. BF5 could take photographs of real soldiers who fought in WWII and copy all their features and it would still be a shit game. The UI, the arcade feel, and the cosmetics are all points of ridicule. Give me a hardcore, zero UI, WWII game where you play as a female sniper and I'll play the fuck out of it and shoot the dicks off of all the men. This isn't about broads storming Nazi camps, the game is shit because all of the decisions that went into it were a fucking joke.
    I agree with most of that. Would have no problem with a fictional story during WWII with a female protagonist killing 1.000 soldiers or telling the stories of real women who fought in this war, just don't rewrite history.
    I also have no problem with unrealistic gameplay. It seems that many people don't understand the difference between realism and historical accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    I'm not sure why you think that I think that the game must be 100% accurate.



    I agree with most of that. Would have no problem with a fictional story during WWII with a female protagonist killing 1.000 soldiers or telling the stories of real women who fought in this war, just don't rewrite history.
    I also have no problem with unrealistic gameplay. It seems that many people don't understand the difference between realism and historical accuracy.
    I just don't have fun in 15 bullet sponge arcade games. Hardcore CoDMW1 was always the best. No UI. Almost instant death. Fantastic game mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    I'm not sure why you think that I think that the game must be 100% accurate.

    So whats the Issue with bf5 then? If they don't have to be 100% accurate.



    Quote Originally Posted by George Lucas View Post
    I agree with most of that. Would have no problem with a fictional story during WWII with a female protagonist killing 1.000 soldiers or telling the stories of real women who fought in this war, just don't rewrite history.
    I also have no problem with unrealistic gameplay. It seems that many people don't understand the difference between realism and historical accuracy.

    Since when do games rewrite history? Aren't you saying it doesn't have to be accurate? You're contradicting yourself here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Can't be minor changes? it has to be 100% accurate or complete fantasy?
    I don't know if female peg-droids are "minor" change. Don't remember them from history lesson.

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    I don't care about the average social activist journalist, just as I don't care about the average right-wing nutjob youtuber pretending to be objective. They're the exact same deal.

    When I want to know more about a game, I just read a bunch of random websites, watch some gameplay videos and in the case of competitive online games I watch some pro's play. That's about it.
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