The New French Right — C’est Catho!

[Aggrophobic]

Stupid, uneducated people doing stupid stuff. I am pretty sure we can do without them.

[sarahtasher]

I guess to stop your country being overrun by people stuck in a Dark ages mentality you have to yourself become the same.

I know you are way too woke and way too intelligent to understand that, but protests against fuel have nothing to do with immigration

[Acidbaron]

Anyone who praises bannon is a retard and should not be listened to, as he needed a misinformation campaign filled with lies to mobilize people politically, not to mention make them turn on others what is flat out fascist.

Anyone who thinks religion in the form of christianity is making a come back in Europe is an even greater retard, the religion is dead and fading out more and more each passing year with churches running empty and them struggle to pay the upkeep. Not even the deeply rooted believes of those from central and eastern europe will be able to sustain it, eventually even in nations like Poland will this sickness fade out.


Who's mobilizing people right now in France? The left, the left is making a come back cause if there's something racists hate more than immigrants and other minded folk, it's having less money to do things they like with.

To nobodies surprising you completely missed the ball again, might want to crawl out of that bubble darling and take a glance into reality if it wouldn't melt your mind.

[sarahtasher]

While I'm aware that for American edgelords, Maggie Thatcher is a dangerous communist, those protests are not left wing. IF anything, they are neo-poujadists

[Sunseeker]

While I'm aware that for American edgelords, Maggie Thatcher is a dangerous communist, those protests are not left wing. IF anything, they are neo-poujadists

I'm so confused on if you're attacking American lefties or American righties here. Because a lot of the right-wingers I know here absolutely worship Thatcher, like, she was the British Virgin Mary to the Lord Ronald Reagan.

[Draco-Onis]

I'm so confused on if you're attacking American lefties or American righties here. Because a lot of the right-wingers I know here absolutely worship Thatcher, like, she was the British Virgin Mary to the Lord Ronald Reagan.

Well to be fair most right wingers would think Ronald Reagan was a left wing nut job if he ran today, raising taxes, compromising with democrats. They would burn him at the stake most of his positions would be considered blasphemy.

[arandomuser]

I thought being right wing use to mean you were against centralized government and over policing on peoples civil liberties, now being in the right wing means you want an authoritarian police state where you monitor the media, arrest people for stating facts like in poland that the pols were complicit in the holocaust. Very sad, they are essentially left wing collectivist except they want to kill off the minorities which makes them right wing collectivist, and as we know collectivism in societys has ALWAYS failed, but then again we also had an international order that stopped genocides from occuring and the right intends to commit a major genocide to get rid of the cultural and poltiical differences that makes collectivist societies unable to work. Which is very sad because its what they use to accuse the far left of doing, they are now embracing fully

[Najnaj]

concerned with the content of our individual and social character.

That is all you need to know.

and a big fucking NO WAY IN HELL is how I feel about it.

[Mormolyce]

Especially if this entire platform is based on turning back the hands of the clock.

I mean, it's one thing to develop new conservative ideas, but this isn't that.

This is the same old same old: "Things were better in the good old days!" It's all over their writing. There's nothing new or creative or original or thought-provoking here. It's just the same boring traditionalist nationalistic garbage.

"Remember Storm Troopers?"

Apparently Europe doesn't.

The truth is, there are no conservative ideas. Our politics are not a choice between two ideologies, it's a choice between one ideology and "no!".

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Better than being an actual moron.

Religious values is exactly what is wrong with conservativism today. Religions don't matter anymore, but family values should still matter very much. Things like divorce have destroyed the once stable family values system. Religion doesn't belong and politics and has no weight in determining morality, and some of the most morally corrupt people are religious people. See evangelists as a prime example of morral corruption.

Sick burn M8.

An interesting example of what I was talking about though - you took the philosophy of the religious right and just distanced yourself from the religious angle. Exact same ideology.

But don't feel like you've really innovated there, the religious right in the US pays the barest of lip service to their alleged religion, so they just believe exactly what you believe but with a bit more of a charade.

[Coolthulhu]

Things like divorce have destroyed the once stable family values system.

Marriages failed before divorce was a thing, the only difference is that people couldn't act on it and had to maintain a façade. If anything, divorce allowed failed marriages to get recycled into successful ones.

If it is right wing it is by its very nature sexist, racist, and nationalistic and has to go.

This is why no one worth their salt takes extremists seriously.

[Theodarzna]

Well to be fair most right wingers would think Ronald Reagan was a left wing nut job if he ran today, raising taxes, compromising with democrats. They would burn him at the stake most of his positions would be considered blasphemy.

I hate Margret Thatcher, partly because I was raised to be and she is a much-hated figure where I was born. My dislike for her is half ethnic and half political honestly. As for Raegan, well he was a Liberal. Indeed American mainstream politics are mainly two camps of Liberal with differing focuses. One being more market oriented and the other being more Lifestyle oriented. Both eventually followed their own logic to grizzly conclusions.

Most of his positions were terrible. A point that at one point was considered a solid assessment by many a loyal and obedient Democratic Party supporter.

I thought being right wing use to mean you were against centralized government and over policing on peoples civil liberties, now being in the right wing means you want an authoritarian police state where you monitor the media, arrest people for stating facts like in poland that the pols were complicit in the holocaust. Very sad, they are essentially left wing collectivist except they want to kill off the minorities which makes them right wing collectivist, and as we know collectivism in societys has ALWAYS failed, but then again we also had an international order that stopped genocides from occuring and the right intends to commit a major genocide to get rid of the cultural and poltiical differences that makes collectivist societies unable to work. Which is very sad because its what they use to accuse the far left of doing, they are now embracing fully

Libertarians failed to address the problems of liberal mass society, they failed to conserve anything. Collectivism is how humans work, humans are born into a place, a time, a family, and an inheretence we do not chose. We are given a language and a culture without asking for it. That is simply how it works. Asking for more liberty has unironically created an ever larger and more powerful state than has ever existed in all of history. There are absolutist monarchs whom would blush at the shere scale, size and intrusiveness of the Modern Liberal State.

[Rennadrel]

The truth is, there are no conservative ideas. Our politics are not a choice between two ideologies, it's a choice between one ideology and "no!".

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Sick burn M8.

An interesting example of what I was talking about though - you took the philosophy of the religious right and just distanced yourself from the religious angle. Exact same ideology.

But don't feel like you've really innovated there, the religious right in the US pays the barest of lip service to their alleged religion, so they just believe exactly what you believe but with a bit more of a charade.

The irony is that I am neither an ignoramus American nor a Conservative, though I do have some conservative values.

[Kokolums]

Marriages failed before divorce was a thing, the only difference is that people couldn't act on it and had to maintain a façade. If anything, divorce allowed failed marriages to get recycled into successful ones.

Not true. Divorce always existed in America. Puritans in the 1600s believed in divorce. Some states always had divorce while others did not. If you wanted a formal divorce and lived in the wrong state, you just moved to a divorce state. Furthermore, people werent tracked anywhere to the degree they are today and it was easy for someone in an unhappy marriage to just leave in the middle of the night and start a new life in a new town.

Most people just outright left their partner back in the day without getting a divorce and married someone else because paperwork sucks and no one cared, which is why it looks on paper like divorce rates were nonexistant.

[Coolthulhu]

Not true. Divorce always existed in America. Puritans in the 1600s believed in divorce. Some states always had divorce while others did not. If you wanted a formal divorce and lived in the wrong state, you just moved to a divorce state. Furthermore, people werent tracked anywhere to the degree they are today and it was easy for someone in an unhappy marriage to just leave in the middle of the night and start a new life in a new town.

Most people just outright left their partner back in the day without getting a divorce and married someone else because paperwork sucks and no one cared, which is why it looks on paper like divorce rates were nonexistant.

I wasn't talking about America, but I fail to see how that changes the fact that marriages failed before the institutionalization of divorce at any rate.

[Deleted]

So dogmatic conservatives, that want to control all aspects of society and culture.

I thought we hated those.

[lummiuster]

Europe deserve their migrant crisis for being too dumb to oppose Washington's wars in middle east. It is logic 101 that migrants would pour from Africa after invading Libya. Let them destroy Iraq/Afghanistan don't ask questions about where they will flee. Oh and Syria, let's create multiple parties to have an infinite war instead of collaborating with Russia/Iran/Turkey/Syria and agree with Assad that he must go after defeating ISIS.
I almost forgot the country that takes the most migrants coming from Africa/middle east Iran! Yeah let's stay idle and let Washington ruin their economy/go at war with them, I'm sure Europe will be delighted to steal their migrants. Keep letting a foreign power ravaging your neighbor countries, complain later when humans run for their life seeking refuge in your country.

[Wythel]

"Is the future of Western conservatism emerging in France?"

No, and France is dead by the way, it still moves but not for long.

[exochaft]

This is the whole truth to the matter. People fail to properly understand the political allignment scale.

The most vivid example of said inability would be how the American Democrats are considered to be the "left", while the truth is that both of the dominant political parties in the US are on the right side of the political scale (with the D being in a relative left position compared to the R).

This is partly why I don't like the whole Left-Right way of viewing things, as there's so much overlap between the two under such a model... then you get many people who get misguided and confused concerning such alignments of people, some go so far as calling it ignorance, which may be true. I think it'd be a safe assumption that most people are quite misguided about what even an American Conservative actually is under this system (same with Nationalism nowadays), instead relying on a branding definition versus content-based one. The Left-Right model's bigger flaw is that it inappropriately puts the extreme Right governments and extreme Left governments at polar opposites, yet they're almost nearly identical in practice and goals. Anyways, top-bottom descriptions of government and political stances make a lot more sense as they rank types of government by the amount of freedom allowed by the people, most freedom at the top and least freedom at the bottom. However some people get slightly touchy when under such models that socialism and communism is put near the same level as the Nazi regime when government-wise they were very similar when it came to the control of the government over the people and governmental goals. This arrangement makes even more sense when people start realizing that all the descriptors used typically in vilifying the Left or Right are apolitical and can easily describe governments on both sides of the Left-Right scale.

[Teleros]

Is the future of Western conservatism emerging in France?

I hope so, but I doubt it. France has been innately quite left-wing since at least 1789.

If it is right wing it is by its very nature sexist, racist, and nationalistic and has to go.

Oh what a surprise, another antisemitic SJW.

I believe what we are seeing is a rejection of deregulation.

As far as France goes, things are very heavily regulated and taxed compared to the Anglosphere, so I'm not sure about this. They also have a lot more support of secularism and secular principles there than in much of the rest of the Western world.

Lol.. so cute when religious people think they are spirituals experts.

Who else is going to be such an expert? The atheist who thinks it's all make-believe?

Talking about discipline, you mean discipline to follow your religious dogma blindly without use of any critical thinking against it

Speak for yourself. Christianity has a long and impressive history of not doing precisely this, but w/e, I bet you read a book by Christopher Hitchens once so obviously you know a lot more about this ...

I am not so sure, did Neo-Conservatism exactly pan out? It failed to conserve anything.

To be fair, the neocon top brass were more or less all Trotskyists and the like who "converted" to the right wing at various points, so it's probably a bit much asking them to understand how to conserve much. Beyond an Israel-dominated MidEast, of course :P .

Especially if this entire platform is based on turning back the hands of the clock.

What if the hands of the clock should be turned back? I mean, half the forum here would I'm sure want to turn the clock back to before Brexit or the God-Emperor's ascension :P .

Family and religious values can't be left wing? News to me.

It's generally the left that promotes divorce, sexualises younger and younger people, and attacks religion.

I guess that's what happens when you know stable families who believe in left wing politics.

It's called not practising what you preach.

And the most left wing party has the strong backing of the largest evangelical church in the country.

So it's a corrupt institution, what a shocker. Most (all?) of the established churches have chosen popularity with the spirit of the age rather than sticking to what's in the Bible.

Well to be fair most right wingers would think Ronald Reagan was a left wing nut job if he ran today, raising taxes, compromising with democrats. They would burn him at the stake most of his positions would be considered blasphemy.

Huh? We don't like him for his California amnesty (which turned California blue) and for pushing no-fault divorce, but otherwise he's still something of a hero to the GOP.

The truth is, there are no conservative ideas. Our politics are not a choice between two ideologies, it's a choice between one ideology and "no!".

This seems apt.

[Rukh]

France is currently having protests against the president's policies that are the most mildly right of what the US would consider center and you think that some wingnut right wing ideology is going to take hold? LOL