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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpcat View Post
    It's alright, it's race targeted but against white so it's okay.
    Considering it was white people who stole the land and oppressed the black population in the first place, who else would be "targeted?"

  2. #142
    Systematic racism (against people who didn't enforce apartheid because they weren't even born) is OK so long as it's targeted against whites, that's the racist logic of those who try and justify this. Aside from that, you'd think Zimbabwe should've been enough of a cautionary tale, but no. If it weren't for the innocent who are going to lose almost everything, I'd be glad in knowing it'll all turn into a barren wasteland very quickly. As a matter of fact, if I were a South African farmer, I'd literally salt the earth before fleeing.

  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagie View Post
    90% of the overtaken farms already failed.
    Quote Originally Posted by steristumpie View Post
    Exactly what happened in the Ukrainian holodomor. Wealthy farmers owned most of the land. They were indeed making more money than most Ukrainians through food production. But the entire premise was way too un-Marxist. So the communists confiscated all the farms and nationalized them or redistributed them. Then next thing Ukrainians had to eat each other. The South African situation is almost a carbon copy.

    Its not like they even have to go that far back. Zimbabwe did the EXACTLY same thing back in 2014. Sometimes, people are just so amazingly retarded, it really leaves me baffled.

    Heres a little writeup i found:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28152477 (july 2014)
    "We say no to whites owning our land and they should go," - Mugabe

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...cda_story.html (September 2015)
    “The problem now is that we have the land, but they have the experience,” said Mutinhiri, a black landowner.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-drought-aid (Feb 2016)
    "Many farms are now under-utilised and the government has vowed to hold an audit to ensure agriculture land is put into production."

  4. #144
    Let's say China conquered the US and gave all the land to Chinese people.

    If the US finally overthrew China you wouldn't take back the land?

  5. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBoss View Post
    Infraction incoming but idc, side against the people who most of the forum identifies with and you'll get the smack. Anywho, I think the Dutch should take back the Boers or even the case made for Boers to come to the states is fine with me (pharmaceutical stocks will skyrocket). Taking the land is the most humane thing to do, driving them into the sea seems like the most just thing to do. The "2 wrongs dont make a right" seems to constantly be expressed when the exploited people get the upper hand. To those saying this will be Zimbabwe 2.0, then let them make that decision and you can thump your chest. I think you're scared that the new South Africa will create a ripple effect.
    lol fuck that, we don't want that shit back.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Coolthulhu View Post
    Systematic racism (against people who didn't enforce apartheid because they weren't even born) is OK so long as it's targeted against whites, that's the racist logic of those who try and justify this.
    Or, alternatively (and I'm just spitballing here): Someone shouldn't get a pass on benefiting from criminal activity just because they're white.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolthulhu View Post
    Aside from that, you'd think Zimbabwe should've been enough of a cautionary tale, but no.
    Yes, yes, and absolute morons are constantly throwing the horrors of Venezuela in the face of anyone they can even remotely link with socialism or socialist policies. Why should we think this comparison is any more valid than that one?

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by floppydk View Post
    The white left really is something lol... Imagine hating yourself so much because of what others of the same skin color did to other ethnicities years ago, that you clamor over yourself to defend what the South African government is doing. Reverse the current issue's skin tone and they'd be fanatically screeching "racist" and "Nazi". I honestly can't wait for a civil war at this point.
    Good thing Africa never invaded Europe, enslaved all of its people, and took advantage of all their resources / wealth?

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    Good thing Africa never invaded Europe, enslaved all of its people, and took advantage of all their resources / wealth?
    Yeah. Because white Europeans are responsible for all slavery in the history of humans.

    Some people...

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    Yeah. Because white Europeans are responsible for all slavery in the history of humans.

    Some people...
    Never claimed that they are the only ones responsible.

    I stated it's a good thing Africa never conquered Europe, because then I suppose the Europeans would be happy to leave the land in position of the African's should they gain independence.

    Oh wait, the Europeans are crying about immigrants and how they are ruining the country and how they should be deported. Can't have it both ways.
    Last edited by Hilhen7; 2018-12-10 at 02:57 PM.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    We have name for this. It's called racism, where you judge people not by their actions, but by their skin color and the history of their race. Is that what you want to support?
    https://qz.com/africa/1218309/south-...g-white-farms/

    Zimbabwe did it too, ask them how that turned out.
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by fultwope View Post
    *LINKS TO CRAZY FAR RIGHT YOUTUBER*
    Could you link me a left leaning youtuber or news agency that is not completely ignoring the murders and theft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    lol fuck that, we don't want that shit back.
    What are you even talking about?
    Who doesn't want what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    Can someone explain to me why white people stay in South Africa? Why not salt the land and burn the buildings and leave if they are hated so much? I'd have been out of there as soon as I could had I been born there. They can move to Europe, Australia, or the USA. Who the hell would stay in a country as a hated minority who lost power when there are 1st world countries where whites are the majority they can go to?
    It's not as bad as people say. If this land thing sinks the country then I'll go to Australia but people have been saying the country is about to collapse for 24 years now. We always seem to manage to crawl on.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And you have also ignored how they are the same. Regardless of how they got there, it is currently the systematic oppression of an indigenous population. Simply arguing that "them's the breaks" of the results of a war that most weren't even alive for... it doesn't change what is going on in 2018. They are morally equivalent, because innocent people are being oppressed based on their ethnicity.

    So, I'll ask you a very simple question.

    Is Israel currently practicing the systematic oppression of an indigenous population?
    No, they're not. As I've said several times already. There are lots of Arab Jews living in Israel, and there is a sizable Arab Muslim minority as well. They have all the rights and political participation as any other Israeli citizen. Have you been to Israel? I bet you imagine they all look like the cast of Schindler's list. In fact, They're by in large pretty indistinguishable from any of the other mixed crowds that occupy the greater Levant. This isn't a war about race, or even religion really. It's a war over land. It was in its inception, it remains so today.

    The oppressed Palestinians I'm sure you're referring to don't live in Israel. Israel ceded that land a long time ago. They live in the West bank and Gaza, under their own governance. The IDF does make forays into those areas, and has occupied it for extended periods of time, but that's almost always in response to Palestinian aggression.

    Now, I will concede the settlement building in the West Bank continues to be a problem, but that would have stopped a long time ago if the Palestinians would have accepted a peace deal, established a recognized border and, here's the big one, stopped attacking Israel. They've refused every peace treaty offered them because they refuse to accept the results of the 1967 war. Those in Israeli society who would stop the settlement, and there are a lot of them, would have far more political capital if their country wasn't constantly getting rocketed in the face.

    Lastly, AGAIN. Displacing an indigenous population (which isn't what is happening in Israel), is not what Apartheid was. That's not the definition. Jim Crowe laws in the American South were an example of Apartheid, and the Black Americans were not an indigenous population. Apartheid was a system of laws within a country designed to disenfranchise a portion of IT'S OWN citizenry of their natural rights on the basis of their skin color. That's what it is. It's not anything else but that. Apartheid isn't colonialism, it isn't genocide, it isn't war. Even if you want to maintain your moral objections about Israel, you've no basis to claim they practice a form of Apartheid. Not a single one. You're just wrong. Stop using that word. It makes you look like a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    Let's say China conquered the US and gave all the land to Chinese people.

    If the US finally overthrew China you wouldn't take back the land?
    If those descendants of the Chinese, none of them who were old enough to partake in the conquest, and most of who weren't even adults by the time the system that favored the Chinese was overthrown, were now American citizens subject to the laws of the United States, no I wouldn't.

  15. #155
    I remember reading this news around maybe 2-3 years ago. recently I was wondering what happened after that and it seems its continued.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    No, they're not. As I've said several times already. There are lots of Arab Jews living in Israel, and there is a sizable Arab Muslim minority as well. They have all the rights and political participation as any other Israeli citizen. Have you been to Israel? I bet you imagine they all look like the cast of Schindler's list. In fact, They're by in large pretty indistinguishable from any of the other mixed crowds that occupy the greater Levant. This isn't a war about race, or even religion really. It's a war over land. It was in its inception, it remains so today.

    The oppressed Palestinians I'm sure you're referring to don't live in Israel. Israel ceded that land a long time ago. They live in the West bank and Gaza, under their own governance. The IDF does make forays into those areas, and has occupied it for extended periods of time, but that's almost always in response to Palestinian aggression.

    Now, I will concede the settlement building in the West Bank continues to be a problem, but that would have stopped a long time ago if the Palestinians would have accepted a peace deal, established a recognized border and, here's the big one, stopped attacking Israel. They've refused every peace treaty offered them because they refuse to accept the results of the 1967 war. Those in Israeli society who would stop the settlement, and there are a lot of them, would have far more political capital if their country wasn't constantly getting rocketed in the face.

    Lastly, AGAIN. Displacing an indigenous population (which isn't what is happening in Israel), is not what Apartheid was. That's not the definition. Jim Crowe laws in the American South were an example of Apartheid, and the Black Americans were not an indigenous population. Apartheid was a system of laws within a country designed to disenfranchise a portion of IT'S OWN citizenry of their natural rights on the basis of their skin color. That's what it is. It's not anything else but that. Apartheid isn't colonialism, it isn't genocide, it isn't war. Even if you want to maintain your moral objections about Israel, you've no basis to claim they practice a form of Apartheid. Not a single one. You're just wrong. Stop using that word. It makes you look like a fool.

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    If those descendants of the Chinese, none of them who were old enough to partake in the conquest, and most of who weren't even adults by the time the system that favored the Chinese was overthrown, were now American citizens subject to the laws of the United States, no I wouldn't.
    You have shit for brains if you think that the Palestinians are not being oppressed. They are locked into the land, cannot trade, cannot leave, and are having it slowly taken from them via settlements.

    I never said Gaza and The West Bank were Israel, they are more akin to concentration camps than anything else. They are not truly sovereign, and I will refer you to the blockade of their banks, as well as their entire border. They are not free to trade, and are constantly getting Israeli forces in the area... killing them.

    That's oppression, that's apartheid... with an Israeli spin.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You have shit for brains if you think that the Palestinians are not being oppressed. They are locked into the land, cannot trade, cannot leave, and are having it slowly taken from them via settlements.

    I never said Gaza and The West Bank were Israel, they are more akin to concentration camps than anything else. They are not truly sovereign, and I will refer you to the blockade of their banks, as well as their entire border. They are not free to trade, and are constantly getting Israeli forces in the area... killing them.

    That's oppression, that's apartheid... with an Israeli spin.
    So you've said "Nuh uh!" at the top of your lungs, repeated your claim, again, and started name calling. Well this one is about wrapped up.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    So you've said "Nuh uh!" at the top of your lungs, repeated your claim, again, and started name calling. Well this one is about wrapped up.
    No, I've pointed to the continued oppression of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I've directed your attention to their restriction of trade, constant incursions, settlements, and sea/land blockades. They are basically prisoners.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    No, I've pointed to the continued oppression of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I've directed your attention to their restriction of trade, constant incursions, settlements, and sea/land blockades. They are basically prisoners.
    All of which I addressed as being the result of their refusal to accept a peace deal and stop attacking Israel. Self-inflicted wounds are self-inflicted.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    All of which I addressed as being the result of their refusal to accept a peace deal and stop attacking Israel. Self-inflicted wounds are self-inflicted.
    So, take these terms, or suffer... how very nice. You seem to be mistaking Hamas for the Palestinian people. So, it's oppression, just oppression you find acceptable.

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