How are shadow changes good?

[Malix Farwin]

It is crazy how I have all class level 120 and I find spriest by far the most fun class to play while others are complaining about it. It is perfect, long dots, burst damage every 7sec (MB), Mind Flay until you fill your insanity and unleash a burst.

I dont have all classes level but of the oens i do have leveled, shadow is the least fun, especially when you compare it to Affliction and Boomkin.

[lummiuster]

I dont have all classes level but of the oens i do have leveled, shadow is the least fun, especially when you compare it to Affliction and Boomkin.

Yo affliction man... Unstable affliction is 1.5sec cast and lasts 8sec. You have to cast 4 UAs to deal as much damage as 1 Vampiric touch. It is much more satisfying to cast your dots once per fight than every few seconds to do little damage.

[Malix Farwin]

Yo affliction man... Unstable affliction is 1.5sec cast and lasts 8sec. You have to cast 4 UAs to deal as much damage as 1 Vampiric touch. It is much more satisfying to cast your dots once per fight than every few seconds to do little damage.

Interesting

Aff damage breakdown:https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=8
UA: damage per tick: 4.8k

Shadow: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=16
VT = damage per tick 3.3k

also outside of your CD(which is very long), you are not stacking 4 UAs consistantly, you actually lose dps stacking more then 2.

Heck VT isnt even beating the warlock's pet damage.

[Foolicious]

I am really not sure if it makes sense anymore to discuss shadow.
I really don't want to sound bitter, but i am really frustrated.

The patch goes live in roughly two weeks and we hadn't had a new build in two weeks.
Our changes got implemented on october 23th. Not one change since then. Our one and only bluepost since nighthold(?) was a summary of number changes.

At this point its very evident that we don't have a voice as priest player. We have never been respected by blizzard and i doubt this will change:/
This whole talking about releasing the patch a month later so they can listen to feedback was the same bullshit as the reason why shadow wasn't finished in the first place.

[Ophenia]

It is much more satisfying to cast your dots once per fight

Are you discussing about Legion SPriest ?

[lummiuster]

Interesting

Aff damage breakdown:https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=8
UA: damage per tick: 4.8k

Shadow: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=16
VT = damage per tick 3.3k

also outside of your CD(which is very long), you are not stacking 4 UAs consistantly, you actually lose dps stacking more then 2.

Heck VT isnt even beating the warlock's pet damage.

Man you can't do comparison like that. They dont even have the same gear/stats. The warlock is specced with Haunt which he casts before casting his UAs. And do UA/VT even tick at the same speed?
Believe me man, it feels aweful to have to cast 4 UAs to be on par with 1 VT. Especially in PVP. And no warlock likes their pet anyway.

[Malix Farwin]

Man you can't do comparison like that. They dont even have the same gear/stats. The warlock is specced with Haunt which he casts before casting his UAs. And do UA/VT even tick at the same speed?
Believe me man, it feels aweful to have to cast 4 UAs to be on par with 1 VT. Especially in PVP. And no warlock likes their pet anyway.

Thats an oxymoron statement, they never will have the same gear because not only does Affliction use completely different stat priority but different azerite traits as well. Also 1vt is not on par with 4 uas. 1 vt isnt even on par with 1. Even if you took a look at the casts, aff casted 4 times more but UA also did more then double the damage VT in the course of an encounter.

Also what does casting Haunt before using UA even have to do with anything, its part of his kit. Thats like saying well the Shadow Priest has the 10% shadow Damage and Void Form stacks to buff their DoTs but it still loses out to a single UA per tick. Not only does it lose to UA over the course of a fight but also per tick.

Lastly Gear wise? The Shadow Priest Has the Higher ilvl

Shadow: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...anis/La%C3%ACn

Affliction:https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...tmourne/Denkar

Last nail is the best SP in the world VT is hitting 4k per tick which is still worse then the afflock i listed which isnt even the best lock in the world on the logs(their UA doing 5.3k per tick).

[lummiuster]

Thats an oxymoron statement, they never will have the same gear because not only does Affliction use completely different stat priority but different azerite traits as well. Also 1vt is not on par with 4 uas. 1 vt isnt even on par with 1. Even if you took a look at the casts, aff casted 4 times more but UA also did more then double the damage VT in the course of an encounter.

Also what does casting Haunt before using UA even have to do with anything, its part of his kit. Thats like saying well the Shadow Priest has the 10% shadow Damage and Void Form stacks to buff their DoTs but it still loses out to a single UA per tick. Not only does it lose to UA over the course of a fight but also per tick.

Lastly Gear wise? The Shadow Priest Has the Higher ilvl

Shadow: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...anis/La%C3%ACn

Affliction:https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...tmourne/Denkar

Last nail is the best SP in the world VT is hitting 4k per tick which is still worse then the afflock i listed which isnt even the best lock in the world on the logs.

Oximoron then you agree that they will never have the same gear. You're just a mad dog who thinks everything is against them. Your logic makes no sense, dont bother responding i don't read replies from mad people

[Malix Farwin]

Oximoron then you agree that they will never have the same gear. You're just a mad dog who thinks everything is against them. Your logic makes no sense, dont bother responding i don't read replies from mad people

You didn't create a counter argument, you didn't use facts to support your argument and you called me a "mad dog" because i disagreed with you. New Flash, not every is mad or triggered because they disagree with the point you made. if i was actually mad at you i would not even entertain what you said with a response and just flat out mute you.

[Ophenia]

Man you can't do comparison like that. They dont even have the same gear/stats. The warlock is specced with Haunt which he casts before casting his UAs. And do UA/VT even tick at the same speed?
Believe me man, it feels aweful to have to cast 4 UAs to be on par with 1 VT. Especially in PVP. And no warlock likes their pet anyway.

Take one random mob, cast VT on it, then ask an Afflock to cast 4x UAs on the same mob, watch which one dies first (if the VT one dies at all).

Plus, you don't even seem to consider that VT is only here for dealing this pitiful amount of damage. UAs also bring interactions with Afflock's set, which makes it 1000 times more interesting than VT.

[KaPe]

Plus, you don't even seem to consider that VT is only here for dealing this pitiful amount of damage. UAs also bring interactions with Afflock's set, which makes it 1000 times more interesting than VT.

Hey now, that's not a fair comparison, VT also heals the caster. Sure, the amount of healing is pitiful and they could have made the overhealing shield baseline without affecting the balance much, but still!

Well, no, not "still". Dots are amazingly weak this expansion and without Sol healing your ass, outside content is completely pointless as a shadow.

[krl]

because 99% of wow players aren't in a world first guild and don't give a damn. If you're in a guild that forces you to respec to the fourth rogue or whatever the flavour of the month is that's not a guild you should be in.

Well, we are in the process of killing MM Zul very soon without rogues, a few more pulls should do it. However, it will make it a total of 60 pulls more or less. The rogues strat on average is a 30-pulls kill and a lot more permissive. We pride ourselves in a no class-stacking approach but it is very debatable.

Dots are amazingly weak this expansion and without Sol healing your ass, outside content is completely pointless as a shadow.

With stupidly high ilvl gear, it becomes a breeze again. Not as comfortable as other specs, but still, the mobs die fast and you can pull everything.

[lummiuster]

Take one random mob, cast VT on it, then ask an Afflock to cast 4x UAs on the same mob, watch which one dies first (if the VT one dies at all).

Plus, you don't even seem to consider that VT is only here for dealing this pitiful amount of damage. UAs also bring interactions with Afflock's set, which makes it 1000 times more interesting than VT.

The thing is when you target a mob, you only have 2shards (2UAs). Spriests get to cast VT which applies the dot and swp (with talent) and then you get to use direct damage abilities which is very nice. Afflic have to cast agony, corruptio, UAs every 8secs and shadow bolts... They never have the freedom of casting cool direct damaging abilities.

[Debased]

They're not. Our mobility is still worst-in-game. Our ST DPS is still tied for worst-in-game. We still have no practical utility besides the niche MD.

Shadow is hot garbage if you're interested in pushing M+ and M raids, you'd literally be better off playing anything else (besides feral, maybe?).

I liked the spec but I'm benching my priest. It's wasted effort if you're somewhat competitive.

[Yhcti]

Can confirm theres a fun build that makes shadow pretty fucking insane in arena but i wont be sharing it

At 370ilvl world content is also extremely easy, always thought itd always be quite painful but its kinda nice

[Lunaretic]

Can confirm theres a fun build that makes shadow pretty fucking insane in arena but i wont be sharing it

At 370ilvl world content is also extremely easy, always thought itd always be quite painful but its kinda nice

1 x Thought Harvester + 2 x Searing Dialogue? Pretty sure they're already nerfing the new Thought Harvester to 150% from 300%. Fun police Blizzard strikes again.

[Fascinate]

I havent been on the PTR at all, will haste become our best stat again tomorrow? Swapping pieces around i can get to 19% with enchants.

[Deleted]

I dont have all classes level but of the oens i do have leveled, shadow is the least fun, especially when you compare it to Affliction and Boomkin.

Honestly affliction is just terrible in my opinion, too much dots to spam when only UA does relevant damage, too much damage stacked into their cooldown, deathbolt is silly for a rot spec where most dots don't properly rot. Feels lightyears away from previous iterations of affliction despite being top tier in raids.

Destruction suffers from the same "stacked into cooldowns spec".

And Boomkin to me is the most classical builder spender caster in the game and thats pretty boring because there isn't anything meaningful to do with the rotation, no procs, no execute, too much fillerish spells. I preferred the eclipse system despite its flaws

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Hey now, that's not a fair comparison, VT also heals the caster. Sure, the amount of healing is pitiful and they could have made the overhealing shield baseline without affecting the balance much, but still!

Well, no, not "still". Dots are amazingly weak this expansion and without Sol healing your ass, outside content is completely pointless as a shadow.

Well Shadow is not a dot spec, its a 50/50 mix. Most damage comes from mind blast and mind flay. Its pretty easy to do worldcontent as shadow with saynlan you can aggro a ton of mobs, use dark void, void erruption and rekt mobs. Burst AOE at least is good this expansion. And pvp talents make it quite easier with void shield and instant erruptions

[Casperite]

Honestly affliction is just terrible in my opinion, too much dots to spam when only UA does relevant damage, too much damage stacked into their cooldown, deathbolt is silly for a rot spec where most dots don't properly rot. Feels lightyears away from previous iterations of affliction despite being top tier in raids.

Destruction suffers from the same "stacked into cooldowns spec".

And Boomkin to me is the most classical builder spender caster in the game and thats pretty boring because there isn't anything meaningful to do with the rotation, no procs, no execute, too much fillerish spells. I preferred the eclipse system despite its flaws

I have always found boomkin to be terrible feeling and boring, have never liked it in any of its iterations.

[Ealyssa]

Can confirm theres a fun build that makes shadow pretty fucking insane in arena but i wont be sharing it

everyone saw the youtube videos... you're not special.