Why DC universe movies struggle so much compared to Marvel ones ?

[Altrec]

How do you mess up suicide squad?

Easy, you reshoot the movie with a trailer company after the trailer blows up and does well and tell the original director david ayer to fuck off to netflix

Seriously when will people learn its the studio doing the damage ffs.

I think everyone here gets that it is the studio doing the damage. The how and the why the damage is being done is what people are talking about. You don't have some amazing incite into this that nobody else gets. You seem to be stuck in the prologue of the discussion while everyone else has moved onto the meat of the story.

[RobertoCarlos]

I think everyone here gets that it is the studio doing the damage. The how and the why the damage is being done is what people are talking about. You don't have some amazing incite into this that nobody else gets. You seem to be stuck in the prologue of the discussion while everyone else has moved onto the meat of the story.

movie is bad because DC is dark.

[Casperite]

Apparently, Aquaman is watchable. That would be a feat, considering how useless Aquaman was….

I'm Canadian and absolutely love comics in general, having several hundred hardcovers or softcovers (French or japanese comics mostly-I mean by that that I'm not making a difference between manga, Astérix or Batman : they are for me comics). That's why, while I'm not exactly an expert about American comics, I'm quite a fan of comic movies : I would be pretty depressed if I had to stuck to Bécassine or Astérix live action, or even worse, Attack on Titan live action (shivers).

That's why I'm puzzled about how DC struggle so much to build a franchise compared to Marvel, considering that the ''endgame'' (ZING) between Justice League and Avengers supermovies (ZING) is oddly similar : superheroes featured in one shot movies assemble and defeat a galactic threat who have assembled in the standalone movies plot coupons. I must say that the failure of DC is quite noticable for someone who was not terribly into superheroes comics, since at least for me, Batman, Superman and Wonderwoman brand recognition was higher than the Hulk, Captain America and the others.

I've wondered the same thing, but I believe they are on the right track with Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The one thing I've wondered in conjunction is why DC television series do much better than the DC movies. I think it boils down to what some have said already, a combination of the right actors and the mood. The television series are lighter than the DC movies try to be, same with Marvel movies. It's too bad too because I prefer DC characters over marvel in most cases.

[RobertoCarlos]

I've wondered the same thing, but I believe they are on the right track with Wonder Woman and Aquaman. The one thing I've wondered in conjunction is why DC television series do much better than the DC movies. I think it boils down to what some have said already, a combination of the right actors and the mood. The television series are lighter than the DC movies try to be, same with Marvel movies. It's too bad too because I prefer DC characters over marvel in most cases.

The justice league when utilized and written well is a interesting group of characters.

Superman and Martian Manhunter are the hardest characters to write for because of their game changing nature due to their power and they still havent gotten superman right and they dont even have martian so....

Also Green Latern should be ex military not ryan reynolds.

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ers).That's why I'm puzzled about how DC struggle so much to build a franchise compared to Marvel, considering that the ''endgame''.

Grimdark sell less then action-comedies. Batman thrive in grimdark, but Superman the ultimate symbol of hope and justice are you crazy.....

[ellieg]

Well aren't you just the cool bean in the room.

The real question is whether you recognize how much of a meme you are for using "normies" unironically.

But yet you knew exactly what group of ppl I was referring to...

[Liarparadox]

I think everyone here gets that it is the studio doing the damage. The how and the why the damage is being done is what people are talking about. You don't have some amazing incite into this that nobody else gets. You seem to be stuck in the prologue of the discussion while everyone else has moved onto the meat of the story.

yeah pretty much my reaction as well.

[RobertoCarlos]

yeah pretty much my reaction as well.

90% of posts here is "DC sux cause its dark"

when what DC is doing wrong/right is obvious.

Just look at their one success post nolan. Wonder Woman. Because guess what, they actually let Patty Jenkins the director make the film she wanted to make and in her vision. Its not rocket science. Movies are on the director. And the suits always fuck it up by either hiring the wrong guy in the first place like Zack Synder and then fucking it up again by meddling with their shit.

[Liarparadox]

I don't disagree. But think you missed the point of my post. No worries.

[Grimbold21]

Does it matter?

The movie scene is oversaturated with the superhero genre.

[RobertoCarlos]

Does it matter?

The movie scene is oversaturated with the superhero genre.

Dont worry Disney live action remakes and Harry Potter films will still be there. Sorry I mean fantastic beasts.

[jackofwind]

But yet you knew exactly what group of ppl I was referring to...

No, I actually don't know what you consider "normies" to be, I just assumed that you meant "people who like superhero movies" because that's what this thread is about. It has nothing to do with your choice of silly labels and everything to do with basic reading comprehension and logical progression of thought.

[Altrec]

movie is bad because DC is dark.

DC is dark because the studio thinks that is the way to go. Like I said we get it that the studio is to blame, but the why is what is being discussed.

[jackofwind]

when what DC is doing wrong/right is obvious.

Just look at their one success post nolan. Wonder Woman.

While definitely better than the rest of their stuff and certainly not on the same low level as Justice League, Wonder Woman still suffered from bad CG and an underwhelming costume design for Ares' final form.

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DC is dark because the studio thinks that is the way to go. Like I said we get it that the studio is to blame, but the why is what is being discussed.

I think that dark isn't necessarily bad, but when you combine dark with low quality writing it starts to look like bad fanfiction, and when you combine the two with generally underwhelming CG it all kind of falls apart.

[Jotaux]

I dunno why they cant just make a live action film like this without all the "Martha!" crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rl0tfQO9E

batman: "you're insane"
Owlman: "Does it matter? Theres alternate versions of me you would find quite charming.

I've been saying for a long time they should let Bruce Timm (and probably Paul Dini) take over creative for the live action movies.

[Ealyssa]

Mainly two things :

-poor writing on most movies. The comic story basis is poor and poorly translated to screen.
-Zack Snyder. Holy shit everything he touch is garbage. I'm seriously baffled Hollywood still can give that guy a budget. And more widely the poor director choices of Warner when it comes to the DCU. David Ayer for suicide squad was another WTF news.

When they go away of their 2 classic flaws they can do great. Wonder woman was good. Looks like Aquaman is heading the same way ? Releasing tomorrow in europe, am actually hyped.

I love DC, they are hundreds of great story that could make nice movies. A few arc that could really make an amazing DCU continuity (just imagine what could be a whole court of owl -> metal as movies, wet dreams) They just need to step up their game and stop going for the same easy and wrong choices. In this regard Wonder woman certainly helped. And James Gunn may be the best guy to take the Suicide squad somewhere.

[mvaliz]

I'm inclined to say that it is because they are trying to go for the dark, brooding and edgy feel to them. Marvel movies are way more fun in my opinion.

This in a nutshell

People in general enjoy smiling and laughing and crying a good-kind of cry more than staring at noir sepia-tones and emo brooding people grumbling about how life sucks. Yes, the later is a neat art style... but it's an art style most people, actually, the majority of people, would rather not live inside of nor visit every couple of months.

This is why Aquaman is getting a LOT more hype now... fuck, even I'm hyped to see it - and the only DC movie I bothered to watch post-Dark Night was Wonder Woman.

[Vash The Stampede]

Same reason why most movies based on some franchise screws it up. They don't stick to the source material very well. They don't hire someone who's a fan of the material to create the movies. If you do these two things then the movies are going to suck.

[Ivanstone]

Wonder Woman. Because guess what, they actually let Patty Jenkins the director make the film she wanted to make and in her vision. Its not rocket science. Movies are on the director. And the suits always fuck it up by either hiring the wrong guy in the first place like Zack Synder and then fucking it up again by meddling with their shit.

Wonder Woman is really good. You know who wrote it?

Zack Snyder.

Of course, he fucked up MoS and BvS but its not just him.

DC does good TV and animated movies but not having someone like Kevin Feige to lead production probably hurt them. I wouldn't necessarily say that Marvel is director friendly (ask Edgar Wright) but I think Feige knows just how much leash to give directors.

[Vash The Stampede]

This in a nutshell

People in general enjoy smiling and laughing and crying a good-kind of cry more than staring at noir sepia-tones and emo brooding people grumbling about how life sucks. Yes, the later is a neat art style... but it's an art style most people, actually, the majority of people, would rather not live inside of nor visit every couple of months.

This is why Aquaman is getting a LOT more hype now... fuck, even I'm hyped to see it - and the only DC movie I bothered to watch post-Dark Night was Wonder Woman.

Look at the Batman they make in the movies vs the 90's Batman who actually seems kind and interesting. Modern day Batman is a tragedy compared to the 90's. Some of this stuff can make me cry sometimes.