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It took 3 weeks to change leader last time with little else going on and where all but 1 candidate withdrew before they even took a vote to their membership. In other words, it was extremely clean.
First off, it's now Christmas time, that will slow everything down and if the membership has to be included that almost certainly can't happen and till after the new year, logistically speaking.
If May loses, I'd be suprised if they were done with this until late January at the earliest.
At that point whoever is in charge needs to go to Brussels and organise a deal in 2 months, something May has been incabaple of doing in over 2 years.
I was, and used it to parody this attempt at a leadership coup, saying that it means people who voted in the last GE for May to lead the Brexit negotiations would have their "will of the people" ignored as JRM and co would be giving them something other than what they voted for.
Basically every argument they've used to not have a people's vote, or second referendum, has been made to look total bollocks by this action today.
The EU will not renegotiate. Change in leadership or not. That's an internal issue, the deal stands and there will be no other deal. Just to clear that misconception up, because somehow people are still not believing the EU when they have nothing but repeated this mantra for the last 2 weeks.
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Bad news for you I'm afraid, the will of the people was made the law of the land. We leave, by law, on 29th March 2019 and parliament has no time left to stop that - deal or no deal.
Can you see a deal in the pipeline? No me neither, perhaps Father Christmas will drop one down the chimney. If he does or doesn't we leave on that fixed date.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
I was kind of describing what happens from the UK point of view... The EU may give up a few concessions but they will surely want something in exchange and, of course, they aren't going to change anything fundamental.
If May loses this vote there is 2 choices.
a) No deal Brexit
b) the UK rescinded A50 and becomes the laughing stock of world diplomacy.
Not without a majority in the house it can't. Have you seen a majority for anything recently? Who would propose such a heinous thing? They'd be signing their political death warrant even considering doing such a thing against the will of the people. I suppose a dictator might consider going against the brexit referendum, just struggling to come up with the name of such an MP in parliament. Got any names in mind?
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
May only got 42.4% of the vote, add the DUP to that and it only just goes to 43.3%. The overall majority would have been for a left/centre-left alliance of Labout, Lib Dem and SNP (50.4%) but for that the UK would have to make our democracy work.
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Just stick a 5% tax on the 17 million Leave voters to simulate the effect of Brexit, give them special blue passports that don't work in Europe and let the other 43 million people in the country get on with life as normal.
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Do you really think the will of the people is for the majority to be made poorer so a privileged few disaster capitalists can profit?
I'll reiterate, there will be no renegotiations. There are on conscessions, there is nothing the EU wants. The deal is frozen. The UK point of view at this stage is quite immaterial regarding the withdrawal agreement. They have already agreed to the paper as it is, there's no going backsies.
I don't want to pound on you, so don't take this personal. But I keep seeing people being victim to the illusion that there are still options and things that can be done if you only ask nicely enough. No, there aren't. The only option the UK has is to accept the deal, reject it and crash out or revoke Art. 50. And none of those options include any sort of talking to the EU about it. In fact, the EU has explicitely stated through various channels that anything going on right now is an internal matter of the UK and the EU won't interfere.
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Parliament TV is still comedy gold.
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/...7-61d4ff969ba7
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13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"