Biden Mittens 2020!: More Bad Advice From Centrists

[Northern Goblin]

I have zero tolerance for people that aren't intellectually honest.

The irony is so thick, it'd blunt a knife.

Also if you don't look at global politics and see how attitudes and movements reflect one another, you're wilfully blind ignorant at best.

[Adam Jensen]

A guy who couldn't beat Ted Cruz and a woman who's appeal would only attract safe coastal states, but is the exact type of California "elite" that middle America would be put off by?

Beto went against Cruz in a state he should have lost. Texas is about as red as red gets outside the cities. The fact that Beto almost won in that region regardless is remarkable, so I wouldn't put him down for losing.

[Northern Goblin]

Betos immigration stance saw him lose to cruz. He wanted to abolish ice. Here in Texas that doesn't fly.

It won't fly in a lot of swing states where immigrants have been demonised and made out to be seen as "the problem" and why people are losing their jobs, way of life etc. etc.

[Ashrynn]

I know this a totally out there pick, but I think it could really work. I think the only way Biden survives the primary is running to the Left, but in a general election he needs to be moderate and a pick like Romney as his VP would quell any doubts from conservatives that he's willing to appeal to both sides.

His own party might get pissy, but!

A) They'll vote for him over Trump regardless. Youth vote won't turn out, but who cares...?? Not to be rude, but they're not a reliable demographic.
B) It will break Trump's supporters who did vote for Romney and felt he was unfairly treated(the Media will sway for Romney this time I assume).
C) The VP doesn't really affect policy.

CON - HE IS THE TIEBREAKER VOTE / ALSO CON - People may worry Romney takes over, but I just think it could work.

Also Also, it is a pipe dream. Beto gets crushed in the primaries, Hilary wins and runs again and it's a 2016 repeat. Except this time it's the Chinese who help put Trump in office.

[Gestopft]

It won't fly in a lot of swing states where immigrants have been demonised and made out to be seen as "the problem" and why people are losing their jobs, way of life etc. etc.

This is why the Democratic nominee, however left or middle they are on most other issues, has to be a moderate on immigration.

The Democrats lead the GoP considerably on most substantive policy issues, and I think they have more room to go to the left than "conventional wisdom" would assume- but not on immigration. A Democrat that runs on MFA won't lose any heartland states over that issue. A Democrat that runs on abolishing ICE will.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah this is a terrible idea. If you sided with Trump, there is no forgiveness. No second chances.

Romney took a brave stand in the 2016 election. He repeatedly and loudly denounced Trump. He did the right thing.

Then Trump won, and Romney allowed Trump to stick his tiny mushroom-shaped orange cock into him.

A "national unity ticket" is a noble idea. But not Mitt Romney. Not anyone who ever made peace with Trump.

Not that Trump will make it to 2020, but if Democrats want to win, the top of the ticket should be an experienced centrist Democratic figure.. probably in their 60 or 70s, White and Male and able to speak to the working class and with "executive experience". His running mate should be a younger figure... probably in their 40s. Probably a minority, biracial and/or female. This person would be anointed by Saint Bernie as the progressive standard bearer, and would speak to younger people and the growing diversity of the Democratic Party.

Ideally for the party's sale, the candidate at the top of the ticket would only serve one term, and make room for the Vice President to run for President in 2024.

Here's the Democrats problem... and it's the same problem that Republicans faced back in 2011 (just before the 2012 election). In 2008, both Hillary and Obama had an enormous bench of talent to draw on, because the Clinton Machine and DNC had spent around the years 1996 to 2008 building it. Similarly, the Republican Party in 1999 had a huge bench of talent to draw from that it had been cultivating since the 1980s.

But you get to 2011? Bush looted and pillaged the Republican bench, and his administration tainted so many careers, it let the tea party and the other crazies walk right in. Recall how many losers and charlatans were on the stage in 2012 at the Republican Primary. It only served to make Romney unconvincingly say crazy things.

The Democratic Party in 2016 and 2019 is in much the same spot. The Obama years looted and pillaged the Democratic bench to staff the administration, and did very little to build the bench like the Clinton Administration did. In fact, the DNC had a rather hostile relationship with Obama's faction for just this reason. The most important political job for President Hillary Clinton for her party was going to be standing up a new generation of Democrats ready for prominent positions, including high office one day.

Now the next Democrat will have to do that, and the pickings are thin. Between the Octegenarians who rule the House, the Governors without National Appeal, and Obama's team scooping up the next-gen talent without replentishing it... there is like a big hole of ready-to-lead Democrats in their 40s and early 50s who aren't Senators.

This entire thing I've described... it's nothing new. It's happened before. But it takes a good 15 years to reboot the parties. Democrats will have to do it in about a total of six years. Not easy.

Yeah, I have to agree, I think the real Mitt Romney spoke out against Trump, I think this fake fraud Romney was the exact same man Trump said would have gotten on his hands and knees if he told him to, to only then have dinner with the man after he was elected to try to position for a job, giving Trump the satisfaction of humiliating his ass.

So Yeah and NO! I agree, Kasich/Biden or Biden/Kasich I would for sure entertain, but I would probably see what folks like yourself think FIRST. Because most that I know that are conservative never Trusted Romney to begin with, even when he was coming out against Trump, so there is that.

I personally am not one of those people that follows the line that just because someone is supposed to be the darling of the left or right in any party.

That being said, I also agree that the DNC took a lot of Hits and I put that squarely in the lap of Obama who I most admire. But he did jam through ACA and the Blue Dogs of the DNC bit his ass hard, it had to be forced, and it cost the DNC in the long run.

I think plenty of arguments can be made, I am a fan of the ACA, but the truth is if Every Democrat was a liberal that wouldn't have happened, just like not every Republican is that conservative. Although I would say then and now it's more Centrist and Conservative Republicans. That doesn't includes Trumpsters who I don't view as really Republicans or Democrats. Most of these people are fucking opportunist. Which in some vein explains why some say they voted Obama or Bush and back and forth.

Standing behind convictions is NOT easy, and having the intelligence to explain that reasoning even when others aren't going to share it, is NOT something everyone can share.

It almost has nothing to do with simply just being articulate.


Which is why the Moron in the white house is there, because he appealed to populism and stupidity and those who wondered what if we elected the most unqualified asshat for funnies.

People voted for Hillary because she was the reasonable choice, some voted for her for the same stupid reasons people voted for Trump, Obama or Bush. But I think the majority crossed party lines since 2016 out of real love of country. Populism and stupidity are somewhat unavoidable, but Trump is a culmination of that stupidity coming to life.


Which is why I think a split ticket could work, I don;t think of it as a lets hold hands and sing kumbaya I think of it as calling a Truce, coming together where we can and doing what is best for the country, In my view that is what a Republican/Democrat 3rd party ticket has to represent.

[Travis B]

This idea is so dumb, you could say it was thought up by a Radical Centrist.

[Gestopft]

This idea is so dumb, you could say it was thought up by a Radical Centrist.

Lol

Or more accurately, a never-Trump conservative that wants the Democrats to be what she can no longer pretend the GOP is

[Fugus]

Noticed a theme among a few.

They keep saying that politicians shouldn't try to appeal to the younger demographics because they aren't reliable. Did they ever think that part of the reason why they aren't reliable is because the politicians don't try to appeal to them in the first place.

And what few do try to appeal to them, the younger generations don't get much information about them because the parties and media don't want to bring them up and try to claim they are "Unelectable" when they even mention them in passing.

They think that MAYBE, if the politicians actually tried to appeal to the younger generations and the parties and media actually gave them a fair shot, the younger generation might actually come out vote?

Have to remember, the politicians largely ignore them so they don't typically pay much attention and are forced to go out of their way to learn about anyone that even remotely tries to court them because the media and the parties tend to make sure the typical outlets won't tell them crap at all or will wait until it is already too late.

[DisposableHero]

Because it's the truth. Glad you agree

Only to those whose education level is "can't spell 1st".