Do you leave a M+

[Visor]

depends on key and leader comment. If its about "+9 push + 2!! 900+ rio min" but ppl waste around 15min at first boss, I'll leave. Cos I come for timed run, not for wasting time and gold. If i have 380 average I definitely not interesting in 365 gear and broken key.
If comment about "+10 trying to push but stay even if we fail" - I stay even if it would be about 1h. Because this is most likely chest run and key holder most likely can't get another +10 key. If i'm too hasty, i just don't join to groups like this.

Sometimes I meet completely #$% who start to extort gold from key holder right before last boss. Usually its healer or tank. I think blizzard need to ban persons like that.

Anyway I think key holder need to write his intention. And what kind of run it is. So hasty and geared ppl who expect in time run just skip it. And only ppl who rdy to wipe on +2-8 will stay till happy end.

[Ealyssa]

Only if it becomes very clear the group just can't make it. Or if they are toxic (blaming healer/tank for their own mistake or direct insults)

[Starwindeu]

Sometimes I meet completely #$% who start to extort gold from key holder right before last boss. Usually its healer or tank. I think blizzard need to ban persons like that.

Wow that's pretty fked up. And totally agree, they should ban ppl like that. have also heard ppl leaving straight away after the timer have started for no reason at all

[Deianeira]

Key's already burned the moment that timer hits 0.

And no, I do wtf I want.

No i dont leave M+, im generally not a douchebag that way. But i have had many "pro" players that have left so we have finished it with 4ppl after they left. Always possible just a bit harder and you know what, the joy in the people when i have said that we try to do it on 4 and make it that is unbeatable.

[Kief]

I don't get where the hysteria around leaving m+ comes from. All expansion long the key is just downgraded one level upon not completing the dungeon.
Why is there a consensus that you can't leave content that you are miserable in just because there are other people there? Chances are that if you join a group and the group struggles the members of the group is not good enough to play at that level anyways.

Also, is there anyone in here that feels that m+ leaving is a big issue? I haven't encountered anyone leaving so far and I have only left 2-3 dungeons total in BFA. Does this happen a lot in low keys (5-9) or is it just dumb luck on what people you team up with and I've just been on a "winning" streak?

[MildCore]

Not currently playing but when I was I'd generally stay and clear it even if we wouldn't make the timer based on the attitudes of the other players. If they are rude, I'll leave. If they keep making the same mistakes and ignore me (politely) trying to teach them the mechanics, I'll leave. Other than that, if they are friendly and listening but just can't seem to get it, I'll generally stick around and help them out until they do.

100% the same as this guy.

[xZerocidex]

It seems, unlike you, people have a better use of their time, rather than wiping all the day

That's because he isn't bright, he rather act self righteous and think he knows better when he's probably some random who enjoys wiping on over and over again.

I don't get where the hysteria around leaving m+ comes from. All expansion long the key is just downgraded one level upon not completing the dungeon.
Why is there a consensus that you can't leave content that you are miserable in just because there are other people there? Chances are that if you join a group and the group struggles the members of the group is not good enough to play at that level anyways.

Also, is there anyone in here that feels that m+ leaving is a big issue? I haven't encountered anyone leaving so far and I have only left 2-3 dungeons total in BFA. Does this happen a lot in low keys (5-9) or is it just dumb luck on what people you team up with and I've just been on a "winning" streak?

Probably because since it's the keyholder's key and not the person who leave, ppl believe that guy is entitled to having the time of the other 4 party members in the group.

Leaving dungeons isn't anything new, people wanna pretend that it is though.

Wow that's pretty fked up. And totally agree, they should ban ppl like that. have also heard ppl leaving straight away after the timer have started for no reason at all

That's really messed up... the guy who's extorting gold I mean.

It's not for the others. Based on your original post and then solidified by your reply it's apparent that you are literal scum of the Earth. It's a video game too, so really maybe one of the least valuable people that ever existed on the planet. It's a good thing that you place such high value in video games and aren't needed by any real life teams doing real life things. If you ever plan on joining the real world maybe work on that.

Hey buddy, how about you worry about your RL situations and don't worry mines? You don't know me and if you have to resort to ad hominems then I think it says alot about you "IRL".

Pay my bills, my food, and for my personal things then you can talk, otherwise zip it.

[sharteel]

No, unless I see literally no way of completing it (or if it's 2am and I have spent 2 hours inside, and have to wake up at 6am )

[Deleted]

If the group shows no intention of timing the dungeon, I leave.

(you can usually tell if they are going to time it or not by the time the first boss is dead)

[fiestatastic]

That's because he isn't bright, he rather act self righteous and think he knows better when he's probably some random who enjoys wiping on over and over again.


Probably because since it's the keyholder's key and not the person who leave, ppl believe that guy is entitled to having the time of the other 4 party members in the group.

Leaving dungeons isn't anything new, people wanna pretend that it is though.



That's really messed up... the guy who's extorting gold I mean.


Hey buddy, how about you worry about your RL situations and don't worry mines? You don't know me and if you have to resort to ad hominems then I think it says alot about you "IRL".

Pay my bills, my food, and for my personal things then you can talk, otherwise zip it.

Of course what I wrote says something about me IRL. I have integrity, am an actual man, and not a PoS. No idea why you'd retort asking for welfare handouts. I can type what I want to type, you're obviously not of any stature to insist that another zip it. Learn to man up, or don't, it's your prerogative to be nothing.
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From my experience on 4 different characters, we had to stop a dungeon about I'd say 3 times because we simply couldn't do it, low dps, bad mechanics and so on. And about 12-15 times estimated because all of a sudden somebody remained offline or we were 4/5 all of a sudden.

I play M+ just as much as is needed because I don't have a fixed group, so my item level is also something that can profit from just finishing it. Somebody pointed it out already, if you're doing a +10 just for the weekly, finishing it is the goal. If you're doing anything above that (or with that goal in mind), then I can understand leaving.

That's about the same rate I think I've experienced. Sometimes it doesn't work out. It's never ok to act like the op though.

[Preia]

Nop, unless I see literally no way of completing it (too much slacking or DPS/Healing too low) or if players are toxic.
I had this guy who disconnected twice (2nd and last boss) and failed alot in SotS 11+ the other night, we waited for him so the timer was obviously dead but since we were on the last boss we wanted to finish it for the chest. He started to teleport and just left like an ass without saying anything. The least he could do since he ruined the key was to stay and finish it but eh.

[crusadernero]

People have been leaving dungeon groups for X reason since day 1. Always been like that.

Think its annoying now?

Try being in a dungeon in the middle of nowhere(lets say straholme) and someone leaves in classic.

I have always hated when people leave, but I accepted a long time ago thats just how it is. Sure, some people MUST leave for a reason, but most of the just get bored or gives up quickly.

I have never left a dungeon unless its falling apart(someone else has left) and the general communication is very toxic.

I have noticed that in the dungeon runs in BfA is way more toxic than I can remember. Dunno why so many people are toxic and mad now. This is mostly for m+ runs. To many mad people, I have stopped bothering with m+ runs overall. Not worth it. Rather do pug raids, actually less toxic there.

[Deleted]

Which level are we talking about? Because that changes everything. If I do a low level key (10 or less), I know in fact when I join that these guys are there for weekly, so I'll help no matter what (unless they are rude) because when I joined I knew that and I joined probably because I was bored.

But when I join a higher key, I just target keys that I haven't done. So, which is the point of me staying in a run that is not going to end in time? I don't need the gear, so I have no reason to stay and lose more time. Of course,if the run is depleted by a few minutes I won't leave, but man, there's too much people willing to waste tons of time in a useless run, and I'm not one of them

[xZerocidex]

Of course what I wrote says something about me IRL. I have integrity, am an actual man, and not a PoS. No idea why you'd retort asking for welfare handouts. I can type what I want to type, you're obviously not of any stature to insist that another zip it. Learn to man up, or don't, it's your prerogative to be nothing.

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That's about the same rate I think I've experienced. Sometimes it doesn't work out. It's never ok to act like the op though.

Newsflash... nobody cares who you are.

Lol shove it man if you're basing this topic about how I am IRL you're the child your damnself. You shouldn't go around talking about nobody being of any stature while you pretend you're in a ivory white tower acting like you know someone.

Now I said pay for my things and then talk... otherwise shut it.
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[Mashanerz]

Usually when people leave the m+ runs I'm in, it's the person that sucks.

That person usually doesn't know what they're doing, gets asked to start doing something basic (like DH's using consume magic) and then they get angry that they're being asked to do things properly and leave.

Very rarely is leaving justified. A lot of times people think a group is going worse than it really is. If I'm running with lower people, I'll say "hey, looks like the keys wrecked, do we want to continue for gear or is it okay to call it?"

If anyone in the group needs gear, run it at a casual pace to make it easy and have fun, but just leaving is a huge dick move and usually the people that do it are the ones upset they're not being carried hard enough.

[Jazzhands]

If it's clearly not going to happen or people are being douchebags, then yeah I'll definitely leave.

I will often try a boss 4-5 times before I think it's not going to happen, really depends on if people seem to actually be trying to make changes or not. Wiping above 80% to the same boss 4-5 times... Probably not going to happen.

[ydraw]

People have been leaving dungeon groups for X reason since day 1. Always been like that.

Think its annoying now?

Try being in a dungeon in the middle of nowhere(lets say straholme) and someone leaves in classic.

I have always hated when people leave, but I accepted a long time ago thats just how it is. Sure, some people MUST leave for a reason, but most of the just get bored or gives up quickly.

I have never left a dungeon unless its falling apart(someone else has left) and the general communication is very toxic.

I have noticed that in the dungeon runs in BfA is way more toxic than I can remember. Dunno why so many people are toxic and mad now. This is mostly for m+ runs. To many mad people, I have stopped bothering with m+ runs overall. Not worth it. Rather do pug raids, actually less toxic there.

I mean it's a totally different situation in M+ because you can't replace them.

People leaving previously was inconvenient but it didn't automatically void all the time you'd invested up to that point like it does in M+.

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Which level are we talking about? Because that changes everything. If I do a low level key (10 or less), I know in fact when I join that these guys are there for weekly, so I'll help no matter what (unless they are rude) because when I joined I knew that and I joined probably because I was bored.

But when I join a higher key, I just target keys that I haven't done. So, which is the point of me staying in a run that is not going to end in time? I don't need the gear, so I have no reason to stay and lose more time. Of course,if the run is depleted by a few minutes I won't leave, but man, there's too much people willing to waste tons of time in a useless run, and I'm not one of them

And this is the major failure of raider.io. People like yourself burning people's keys because if there's no score increase in it for you there's no reason to stay.

[alturic]

I've left M+'s (healer) after a few wipes from people being completely braindead, yes.

[Deleted]

It depends on a couple of things:

1) How was the run advertised.
2) How is the attitude or general ambience.
3) How much do I care (or not care).

To elaborate. If the run is advertised as a "checking RIO, bring your a-game" and there's people there that have no clue on how to do a simple mechanic, I tend to be less forgiving than the "fun run, be patient". If you want to have people boosting you, say so in the advertisement. It's not that I leave after 1 mistake, but it's pretty clear that sometimes players just aren't pulling their weight and it's not my responsibility to carry you. You responded or made the "be good" advertisement, if you don't, it's on you if I leave after you wipe everyone again because you have no clue how to avoid ability-x.

When people act like they are top 100 players, but really are only in their own mind, I tend to be less forgiving. If they try to blame me for something they did, or go ballistic in chat when something happens, enjoy the rest of the run without me. You don't pay for my subscription, you don't get to tell me what I can or can't do.

[Umbrex]

Very rarely ...sometimes though, its just unreasonable to continue